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JuniorWiz
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August 2nd, 2011 at 11:48:31 AM permalink
SCAMMING SHUFFLEMASTERS

http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/blackjack/5964-scamming-shufflemasters/

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thecesspit
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August 2nd, 2011 at 11:57:18 AM permalink
Quote: Texas110477

I agree, I go to choctaw and winstar, these auto shuffling shoes are terrible, i was in winstar for 9 hours sat 7/30, NOONE WAS AHEAD, i played over 15 tables, each table i played at EVERYONE LOST.

I COUNT CARDS AND THESE AUTO SHUFFLERS ARE TERRIBLE!!! I WILL NEVER GO TO THESE CASINOS AGAIN



Erm.....?!!!
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boymimbo
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August 2nd, 2011 at 3:00:40 PM permalink
9 hours at $10 / hand x 60 hands an hour = 540 hands = $5,400 hands = expected loss of $270 ($.50 / hand) + 1% HA = $54 = $324. It's pretty damned hard to make a profit at that. No wonder everyone's losing.

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE AUTOSHUFFLERS. IT HAS TO DO WITH THE .50 A HAND THAT YOU GIVE AWAY EACH TIME YOU PLAY. AT $10/HAND, THATS 5% YOU'RE GIVING AWAY IMMEDIATELY, WITH VERY LITTLE VARIANCE.

Sorry for the all caps, but I can't imagine any one with intelligence going to WinStar or any blackjack table in OK and expect to come ahead. Your only hope is to play at the black level ($100 / hand) and try to overcome the 1.5% advantage through luck and get the hell out of there when you're ahead of the curve.
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DJTeddyBear
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August 2nd, 2011 at 3:03:38 PM permalink
Quote: JuniorWiz

I can't figure out how to make the links, so you'll have to copy and paste.

Here:
http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/blackjack/5964-scamming-shufflemasters/


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JuniorWiz
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August 28th, 2011 at 11:34:11 AM permalink
Quote: thlf

I worked at shufflemaster for several years. The shufflers are not nor can they be rigged. I had all of the internal passwords to set up the software, firmware, etc. and there is nothing there that can be altered to gain advantage either way. They are exactly as u see them.



WELL, IF THEY ARE EXACTLY AS YOU SEE THEM, THEN THEY ARE RIGGED! HI POSITIVE COUNT HIGH BETS HARDLY EVER WORK
SanchoPanza
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August 28th, 2011 at 12:04:32 PM permalink
Quote: Face

For the most part, I think that the Indian Casinos are run on the up and up.


That is a basically unwarranted conclusion. Certainly at least until the Indian casinos or any individual Indian casino hires independent outside auditors and publicly releases the results of said audits.
JuniorWiz
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August 28th, 2011 at 1:28:50 PM permalink
Quote: JuniorWiz

WELL, IF THEY ARE EXACTLY AS YOU SEE THEM, THEN THEY ARE RIGGED! HI POSITIVE COUNT HIGH BETS HARDLY EVER WORK



And part of my evidence is that many casinos with the flush-mounted Deck-Mate shufflemasters take no action against counters
JuniorWiz
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August 28th, 2011 at 1:36:54 PM permalink
Quote: SanchoPanza

That is a basically unwarranted conclusion. Certainly at least until the Indian casinos or any individual Indian casino hires independent outside auditors and publicly releases the results of said audits.



There have been an awful lot of cases of embezzlement. My friends were in on a bad beat at one, and the casino didn't want to pay them. They met with the commission that was on site for several hours, and finally got paid.
matilda
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August 28th, 2011 at 3:15:52 PM permalink
Quote: thlf

I worked at shufflemaster for several years. The shufflers are not nor can they be rigged. I had all of the internal passwords to set up the software, firmware, etc. and there is nothing there that can be altered to gain advantage either way. They are exactly as u see them.



http://www.thestandard.com.hk/news_detail.asp?pp_cat=30&art_id=113576&sid=33179264&con_type=3
MathExtremist
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August 28th, 2011 at 3:47:01 PM permalink
Quote: matilda

http://www.thestandard.com.hk/news_detail.asp?pp_cat=30&art_id=113576&sid=33179264&con_type=3


Interesting story, but there's a meaningful difference between rigging a shuffle to be biased and peeking at an unbiased shuffle. The cheats in your story did the latter. It's the high-tech equivalent of using a shiner, but using a shiner isn't the same as rigging the shuffle.
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