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DJTeddyBear
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May 16th, 2011 at 1:02:10 PM permalink
Quote: WizardofEngland

I did get my whole bill comped for the stay though, meals, drink and mini bar, was circa $1,800. Not to shabby I think.

Was it comped by the casino? Or part of the prize package that came with the $10K buy-in?
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May 16th, 2011 at 1:18:14 PM permalink
the casino players club

EDIT I know whats coming next

I played the $10,000 ME
I played 2x $2,000 events
3x $550 events
4x $120 events
$1/$2 cash table for about 8 hours total
$25 blackjack most evenings for about 3 hours, sometimes 2 boxes, HS17. One pitboss was very generous on my rating when I quizzed him on the value of my play.
I made about $4,000 on poker
I was up on the blackjack by about $1,000 mostly due to a suited blackjack draw worth $750.
I lost about $800 on the slots
Girlfriend lost about $400 on the slots
The players club were aware of my status at the main event. I have no idea if this was a factor.
http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/10042-woes-black-sheep-game-ii/#post151727
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May 16th, 2011 at 3:49:41 PM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

the machine would have to be rigged so that it feeds the right cards to just the dealer. That is quite an ambitious cheat seems to me.

As a computer programmer, I would say that it's not as hard as you might think. All I would need to know is how many players are sitting at the table.
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May 16th, 2011 at 5:37:29 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Indian casinos often declare a slot machine jackpot to be a malfunction and the player has no recourse. If it happens in Vegas, you at least get an armed Gaming Officer and a right to a hearing. Thats the difference between a state being worried about its primary industry and a Tribe that has no worries about anything at all.



Quote: FleaStiff

Some Indian tribes are mere concoctions by lawyers, some Indian tribes are more cults than tribes. The main thing is that usually the licensing authority is a rubber-stamp entity created by the tribe itself. Some Indian tribes have tremendous political clout and economic clout.



Is it really 'often'? Speaking for the Seneca's, I know a patron hit a multi-million dollar j/p the first day Seneca Allegany opened. After the tech's and IGT attended the machine, it was found that the reels had been installed backwards. The patron was informed as to what happened, congratualted, and paid in full. I assume they realized bad publicity costs more than a few million dollars.

As far as 'the licensing authority (being) a rubber-stamp entity created by the tribe itself', well, yes and no. I am employed as a member of such an authority, and while it's true that it was created by the tribe itself, we are in no way influenced by the tribe nor are we the sole overseers. We (the tribal side of regulation) work hand in hand with our NYS counterpart. Issues which are severe enough to require involvement of the Tribal Authority are equally participated in by a member of the State's Official. The idea that the Tribe, through use of the casino, could swindle the general public without being held accountable or being outright shut down is absurd, at least in this area. The State (and in some cases the Fed) has standards which must be met in order for us to operate. The tribe has taken it a step further, and many of the standards are set higher than required.
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May 16th, 2011 at 5:44:48 PM permalink
Quote: s2dbaker

As a computer programmer, I would say that it's not as hard as you might think. All I would need to know is how many players are sitting at the table.

And how would you program the device to feed the cards to the dealer when one or two of those players at the table are nutcases who do really weird things or sharpie players who will indeed split two tens from time to time.
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May 16th, 2011 at 6:02:00 PM permalink
What if all you did was hold cards with 10 values until the dealer's position was being dealt? A higher than normal frequency of natural 20's should be enough to grind players to the felt quickly. The number of player spots bet could be fed into the shuffler automatically from a feed in the overhead security camera, or the dealer could enter the number of spots bet. Less sophisticated, the dealer could simply lean on a switch when it was time to get their cards, the machine would then spit out the 10 value card it was holding back.
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May 16th, 2011 at 6:51:31 PM permalink
Face -

Thanks for that 'voice of reason.'

Too bad it seems to be falling on deaf ears.
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May 16th, 2011 at 6:56:42 PM permalink
I am no fan of the auto shuffling machines. When the deck gets changed, they push a button and the cards come out in order, just like out of the deck. If a button can do that, why can it not shuffle more low value cards vs 10 value cards that make hands?

If the basic card counter looks for a shoe with lots of 10 value cards still in play, I would assume if the shoe consistently dealt 10%-20% more of the low value cards, then the house would get a bigger advantage, no?

I understand the theory of "Why would the casino risk it?" but the reality is the human nature of someone who's job is dependent on casino revenue may make him attempt to cheat. I have the same theory with any and all online gambling, sure they might not cheat, but why wouldn't they? They are committing or allowing others to commit illegal acts, so what would prevent them from doing something illegal, just like their customers are doing?
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May 16th, 2011 at 7:04:36 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

Face -

Thanks for that 'voice of reason.'

Too bad it seems to be falling on deaf ears.



Thanks DJTeddy. I was kind of hoping for a rebuttal, not so much to fight, but I'm just curious if there actually IS a documented case of a Tribe having done whatever it wants without repercussion. Granted, I'm not saying any or all Tribes are the gold standard for anything, as corruption is found in all places and at all levels. It's just that the whole 'Indian casino's are corrupt' mantra is heard quite frequently, but I haven't really be shown an example. Sure, there's bound to be a complaint by a patron who didn't get what they want, that happens everywhere. But statements implying j/p's are not paid out 'just because the Tribe didn't want to and there's nothing you can do about it' seemed a stretch. I'd be interested to hear if it had happened.
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May 17th, 2011 at 1:31:53 PM permalink
Quote: Face

I'd be interested to hear if it had happened.



Well, there's always the case of crooked bingo at Barona in California. I don't think, "Indian Gaming" has ever recovered from that black eye.
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