The Greenbrier WV

Quote: Doc

The main dining room definitely required jacket and tie for dinner.

I tend to break dress codes into collars/jackets/jackets with ties/black tie
the last meaning tuxedo of course

They are definitely hanging on to the main dining room jacket and tie requirement and evidently enforce it.

I saw some slipping elsewhere, no one was booted but perhaps something was said I was not aware of. For example someone at the main bar was in jeans, but better attired the next day.

The casino itself is to be this, from their website:

Morning to 7PM:
Resort casual attire, including collared sport shirts, sweaters, jackets, dress slacks and walking shorts.
From 7PM:
Business casual attire. Jacket required for gentlemen; dresses, evening suits, dress slacks, dress capris for ladies.

so any reasonable attempt to look OK works in the casino until evening, then jacket, but no tie needed

Greenbrier posts losses: Blackjack and other games. One major player for some of the Blackjack loss.

The state Lottery Commission received numbers for July. The casino lost $293,000 on Blackjack. There were also losses in Roulette and Mini-Baccarat.

Lottery Director says there were some big winners during the week of The Greenbrier PGA Tour "there were several large wins but there was one in particular, by one individual," Musgrave said.

Brief Metro News article.

On edit: I know very little information is given but does anyone think that there might be something strange afoot? After all, its a bit unusual to have losses in three separate table games in the same month isn't it? Are players getting lucky there and then leaving with all their winnings? If so, the casino sure gets a different type of player than most casinos where players who get lucky generally give it all back to the casino and leave with nothing but a hangover and memories.

I would think that during the PGA Tour they may have had high rollers and crowds... perhaps a few teams hit them then as well? At a 5.26 percent edge, they had a loss? A whale or a past-poster I would think. The trouble is I just don't see all three separate and independent games turning South at the same time, even if all but the blackjack were only marginally negative.

Quote: FleaStiff

I know very little information is given but does anyone think that there might be something strange afoot? After all, its a bit unusual to have losses in three separate table games in the same month isn't it? Are players getting lucky there and then leaving with all their winnings? If so, the casino sure gets a different type of player than most casinos where players who get lucky generally give it all back to the casino and leave with nothing but a hangover and memories.

Unless there is something about deck penetration being insufficient, and I don't know a lot about that, the BJ game is countable and with very player-friendly rules about re-splitting and all that. Probably can't re-split aces, and no surrender for sure.

When I was there I didn't check out whether the roulette game had one or two zeros. Only one with low limit might be something they would do there, although I doubt it.

I can't imagine why any games other than BJ would really get big losses over the period of a month, perhaps those came close to breaking even. Nonetheless, makes you wonder if the casino didnt "go whaling" and harpoon a Moby Dick. Was somebody getting his actual losses rebated? Wouldnt be surprised. IMO the right treatment with rebates could make Baccarat work for a player too.

That type of whale = a Moby Dick? Maybe that will catch on.

Some additional information from the Richmond Times Dispatch

The West Virginia Lottery says the resort lost $66,833 from table games.
The losses included $293,893 on blackjack, $97,491 on mini baccarat and $51,135 on roulette. Other table games, including poker, generated a $375,686 profit.


Since normally Blackjack is the big money maker, some whales sure did really well.

Sounds like someone is getting a payoff.

http://www.greenbrier.com/staying-here/the-bunker/bunker-history.aspx

http://www.avhub.net/congressionalhideawaygreenbriar.htm[link/]

I've actually been interested in visiting the Greenbrier for years. One of the last times that I went to Las Vegas, it had been a tossup between Vegas and the Greenbrier. The Greenbrier is a lot closer to where I live.

On their Games page, they list both "Mini-Baccarat" and "Baccarat". Would I be correct in guessing that the latter means big table, touch the cards, etc? Does anyone remember what the table max was for Baccarat?

There's a picture on their website of some young prostitutes leaning over a roulette table, with part of the call bet racetrack visible, labelled in French. Is that an accurate depiction of something that they've got, and, if so, is it single zero by any chance?

Any Asian games -- tiles, Sic bo -- or are the six games listed on their site the only six games that they've got?

Am I correct in remembering having read somewhere that you have to pay for drinks, even if you're playing? Is their player's club any good -- anybody gotten more than a free meal out of it recently?

Thanks greatly, and apologies if I'm asking about anything that's recently been covered that I missed.

I would imagine they've used stock photos.

How do you know they are prostitutes?

Sic Bo is so rare, I would doubt they would have it but I'm sure you could email them. Their spokesman said something about 37 tables.

I think you have to pay for all drinks other than the one complimentary champagne glass.

Quote: heather

I've actually been interested in visiting the Greenbrier for years.

Don't miss the fact you must be a guest in some manner to play in the casino, usually this just means staying at the Hotel.

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Am I correct in remembering having read somewhere that you have to pay for drinks, even if you're playing?

I think that is something that the WV legislature wanted for all the casinos, is all. For the new East Coast scene you find this a lot, and in the Midwest too [from what I gather].

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Is their player's club any good -- anybody gotten more than a free meal out of it recently?

For me it has been unbelievably lame, bearing in mind I am not someone who knows how to get the most out of such. If you can impress them with your expected losses, who knows?

The only table games they have are those mentioned in the website. Sorry about your other questions, in particular I regret my tendency to ignore the roulette games when I visit a casino.

Quote: heather

Any Asian games -- tiles, Sic bo -- or are the six games listed on their site the only six games that they've got?

I'm not versed on West Virginia gaming law, but I believe there are only a handful of games that were approved for table games. All the dealers have them listed on their licenses by code. These include: Blackjack, Roulette, Craps (odds can vary per casino, some are 3,4,5, others 10x), Pai Gow Poker (with or without side bets), Three Card, Four Card, Texas Hold Em Bonus, Let It Ride, Caribbean Stud, and Baccarat, as well as live Poker. The most common side bet for BJ is the In Bet (acey-deucey).

To be honest, I'm kind of surprised that WV allowed the Greenbrier to operate the way they do. It's a nice touch for guests of the hotel, but it would seem to me when gaming laws are tightly controlled, the State would want casinos to be open to everybody (to make more money).

Thanks very much for the replies. I've been interested in the Greenbrier since before there even was a casino there (I like golf), so I don't mind having to stay at the hotel to be able to play there. The drink thing is slightly annoying, though.

Now that you (Tiltpoul) mention it, I do kinda vaguely remember having read somewhere at some point about only a smallish number of table games being legal in WV. I spent some time trying to track down a law giving a list with no luck. Those dealer licenses that you mention might actually be the best source for such a list, as far as I can tell, weirdly enough. Maybe I'm just using the wrong search keywords or something, though.

Part of the reason that I spent a while looking is that, somewhere in the deep dark recesses of half-forgotten Things I Read Somewhere in the back of my memory, the words "West Virginia" and "Chuck-a-Luck" are somehow tied together. It could just be a vague recollection of having read about a single game played there a hundred years ago -- or it could have just as easily been a news story that mentioned that the game is currently legal, for all I know. Anyway, like I said, I couldn't find anything at all for sure about which games are approved, so I have no idea. But if Chuck-a-Luck (or Hazard, or Birdcage, or Crown & Anchor, etc.) is on the list, Sic bo (and, FWIW, Yee Hah Hi) should be covered under the same provision. All the same game (Crown & Anchor and Yee Hah Hi both admittedly require specialized dice -- some states say what dice have to look like, some don't). But, as also noted, Sic bo itself was kind of a longshot. I just mentioned it along with tiles as an example of the sort of thing that I meant by "Asian games", since Baccarat had already been covered.

I'm still very interested in their Baccarat game, if anyone has played there, or noticed the table limits. I'm wondering whether their website listing "Mini Baccarat" and "Baccarat" separately means that they have big table or midi, and, if they do have one (or both) of those, whether I can squeeze and, if possible, bend and tear the cards. I'm asking here because I have never once had a good experience calling a casino and asking questions about their Baccarat game. At best, I'm on hold forever while they track down someone who knows; at worst, I get bounced from one person who doesn't know to another until I either get disconnected or else find the info myself online while I'm waiting and hang up. (Bonus points if it's on the place I'm calling's own website.)