Vaping at Horseshoe Baltimore

Can anyone confirm that vaping isn't affected by the smoking ban at horseshoe and that you can hit vapor pens inside? I heard this on facebook, and it would be a major factor in my decision to visit or not.

According to this article, it looks like Horseshoe got an exemption to the general city ban on vaping.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/editorial/bs-ed-e-cigarettes-20141130-story.html

Quote: tringlomane

According to this article, it looks like Horseshoe got an exemption to the general city ban on vaping.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/editorial/bs-ed-e-cigarettes-20141130-story.html

That was quite a laughable column.

Nobody is more annoying than the vaping guy in the casino.

Listening to them brag about awesomeness of their pumpkin spice flavor makes me want to punch them in the face.

Perhaps I should do exactly that- punch them in the face.

Quote: HowMany

Nobody is more annoying than the vaping guy in the casino.

Listening to them brag about awesomeness of their pumpkin spice flavor makes me want to punch them in the face.

Perhaps I should do exactly that- punch them in the face.

I know im more of a vanilla guy myself, or cotton candy.

It's all about that tortoise blood.

vaping isn't allowed in the poker room, I believe.
(which is good!!!)

Quote: RS

It's all about that tortoise blood.

If you're talking animal favours what about Canadian baby seal blood (endangered of course)

Or F*** U DOLPHIN AND WHARRRE - south park

Quote: HowMany

Nobody is more annoying than the vaping guy in the casino.

Listening to them brag about awesomeness of their pumpkin spice flavor makes me want to punch them in the face.

Perhaps I should do exactly that- punch them in the face.

I never mention my vape unless someone asks me a question. I never blow it in people's faces ( just like when I was a smoker). Im just 4x as much addicted to the nicotine now that I vape, although I feel 4x healthier (food tastes better, my sense of smell is better, my wind is 10x better), and if a casino wouldn't let me vape while I play it would be a deal breaker. Might have to go to horseshoe for the better BJ rules than CT (S17 and surrender if I understand correctly) and an aquarium side trip if that's the case

On a side note anyone know if Horseshoe ever has any ten dollar craps tables or is it always 15 and up

Horseshoe allows vaping or at least tolerates it. I don't think I've ever seen it in the poker room though and my guess is that plenty of those people smoke. I absolutely detest vapors. It's absolutely gross and inconsiderate. I'd take sitting at a table with two smokers at Charlestown over being within 20 feet of a vapor anyday. My guess is that the staff and dealers hate it too but let's just face it, generally smokers are degenerates and degenerates are good (terrible) gamblers for casino's. I was at Delaware Park the other day and I saw a sign that said the legislature just passed a law extending the ban on smoking to vaping. At my work, people were vaping inside and in front of customers. My department manager eventually told everybody to go outside and later HR sent an email saying the rule of no smoking inside was extended to vaping.

I don't play craps but I don't think I've ever seen the craps below $15 and maybe even $25. There is the bubble e-craps machine there. It uses real dice shaken by a machine. The minimum on weekdays is $5 and $10 on weekends.

Quote: Sandybestdog

I absolutely detest vapors. It's absolutely gross and inconsiderate. I'd take sitting at a table with two smokers at Charlestown over being within 20 feet of a vapor anyday. My guess is that the staff and dealers hate it too but let's just face it, generally smokers are degenerates and degenerates are good (terrible) gamblers for casino's.

You seriously would rather deal with smokers than people who vape? That makes no sense to me. The air still smells decent around people who vape. Last trip to a casino, I actually thanked someone for using an e-cigarette vs. a real one. I didn't smell a thing.

Quote: tringlomane

You seriously would rather deal with smokers than people who vape? That makes no sense to me. The air still smells decent around people who vape. Last trip to a casino, I actually thanked someone for using an e-cigarette vs. a real one. I didn't smell a thing.

I just started vaping a few weeks ago. Since I started vaping (0 mg -- I was not already using any nicotine) I have lost 20 lbs. 15 lbs in the first ten days. This just simply because I have a sweet tooth and I drink a lot of sodas and energy drinks and I started vaping as a replacement for that activity, basically.

That's the GOOD part.

The bad part is when some uninformed random person who is, potentially, otherwise very intelligent starts talk about my "smoke" or complaining about their emotional (not physiological) response to the presence of my vapor.

Now I'm going from being a non-smoker to being a cloud chaser overnight. Dealers that know me and also vape are very interested in all the stuff that I've learned. But I have had no shortage of both patrons and (although much fewer some) dealers who are annoyed by 0mg vapors.

I assume that these same people would be annoyed by a fog machine in a night club.

There's really no other explanation other than stupidity about what the hell I am doing (having fun, and enjoying some really tasty flavors).

Haters are gonna hate! (this is the Clapton Coil that Christian at Vape Street on Flamingo and Decatur built for me two days ago).



But the uninformed people need to learn at LEAST a couple of things:

#1) VAPOR IS NOT SMOKE -- NOBODY FILES LAWSUITS FOR SOMETHING KNOWN TO BE HARMLESS
#2) YOU REALLY NEED TO SHUT THE HELL UP WHEN YOU DO NOT KNOW SOMETHING

That's pretty much it.

JMHO on this. I think objecting about vaping is about 98% having power over someone else, 2% genuine physical discomfort about the vapor (willing to grant that perhaps someone's system is hypersensitive to water vapor, scented or not). Those places that ban smoking, ban vaping not because it's putting pollutants in the air, but because they don't want to deal with the customers who get upset over it; it's easier to put on a blanket ban than to explain about it or distinguish between smoking or vaping. For the most part, businesses lose less customers over banning vaping than by allowing it.

Any place that serves piping hot coffee or sizzling steak is putting the same type of scent-laden vapor in the air as an e-cig or vaporizer. Hot showers put out the same emissions as vaporizers and in a larger amount. That's just how it is, but people have a different perception of it.

Quote: beachbumbabs

JMHO on this. I think objecting about vaping is about 98% having power over someone else, 2% genuine physical discomfort about the vapor (willing to grant that perhaps someone's system is hypersensitive to water vapor, scented or not). Those places that ban smoking, ban vaping not because it's putting pollutants in the air, but because they don't want to deal with the customers who get upset over it; it's easier to put on a blanket ban than to explain about it or distinguish between smoking or vaping. For the most part, businesses lose less customers over banning vaping than by allowing it.

Any place that serves piping hot coffee or sizzling steak is putting the same type of scent-laden vapor in the air as an e-cig or vaporizer. Hot showers put out the same emissions as vaporizers and in a larger amount. That's just how it is, but people have a different perception of it.

We allow vaping at NanoTech Gaming Labs!



LOLzzzz.

Quote: tringlomane

You seriously would rather deal with smokers than people who vape? That makes no sense to me. The air still smells decent around people who vape. Last trip to a casino, I actually thanked someone for using an e-cigarette vs. a real one. I didn't smell a thing.

Absolutely. I can't stand the smell. It's this nasty cotton candy musty smell. I don't like the smell of cigarettes but can tolerare it. When I go to Charlestown, I just grab some dirty clothes and know that I'll have to take a shower when I get home. I accept that. I don't go there complaining cause I know that's the way it will be.

For those who have no problem vaping in front of everybody, fine how about I come over and yawn or sneeze in your face? How about I come to your blackjack table with a cheeseburger and start eating it? Or how about I chew some tabacco or sunflower seeds and spit it out in front of you?

That's one (two I guess) beautiful coil there, Ahigh.

1. Get em Ahigh, couldnt have said it better.
2. lol at vaping being compared to sneezing in someones face

and honestly now that i think about it i've actually been thanked at Charlestown by dealers for being a vapor and told by people that they enjoy the smell. to each his own though. Now when I'm around heavy smokers I really notice the smell and kind of shudder that I used to smell like that.

Quote: Sandybestdog

Absolutely. I can't stand the smell. It's this nasty cotton candy musty smell.

Still sounds more pleasant than cigarettes to me and definitely cigars...*shrugs*

Quote: Sandybestdog

Absolutely. I can't stand the smell. It's this nasty cotton candy musty smell.

Typically, when another person is around me I do not smell anything.

But when they put on perfume and the smell of them disgusts me, I can relate to what you're saying about people having an actual problem with the odor in their general vicinity.

However, by your comments, I infer that you might actually have a problem if you don't like the smell of cotton candy.

In general, one should become EDUCATED before you talk on ANY subject. You are wasting smart people's time when you talk about things that you are not knowledgeable about. Such a thing might be "is cotton candy a GOOD smell or a bad smell."

That is just my opinion. And when I hear, it smells like nasty cotton candy, I think you might have a problem with your nose or your brain when I hear stuff like that. But I have pretty much put you in the same bucket without people who call vapor smoke because they don't know the freaking difference.

One common thing that I hear (that is obvious FUD IMO) is about the cancer causing chemicals in E-cig's. One particular news story tackled that farce that we're all going to die from formaldehyde from second hand smoke (cough cough) I mean vapor...

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/e-cigarette-vapor-filled-with-cancer-causing-chemicals

Saying that E-cigs are more dangerous because of formaldehyde is like saying a front-wheel-drive honda civic is dangerous because if you tie down the rear axle and jam on the gas and get a huge plume of smoke coming off the front tire, then invite school children to breath the fumes of the tires and let them do that every day, they will die.

NOBODY DOES THIS WITH A HONDA CIVIC. So we don't have this discussion about the dangers of Honda Civics of inhaling toxic fumes that are MORE DANGEROUS THAN E-Cigarettes or tobacco. (Because nobody DOES this!)

But when someone says "OH FORMALDAHYDE is a hidden killer in E-cigs." To me, it really is like the dangers of inhaling burning rubber from smoking tires on a Honda Civic that gets 30 to 39mpg on the freeway. IE: let's not talk about how the LOW end of the gas mileage is 30 freaking miles per gallon and is about the cheapest thing to drive per mile on the road without sticking a damn honking battery in the car. Fuel economy, in general, helps to lower the carbon footprint on the planet. Let's talk about this stupid hypothetical situation created by researchers and picked up by idiots and retold without all the facts as evidence that you might be creating a harmful vapor that could hurt me.

It's bull crap. Plain and simple.

And if you think cotton candy from a VAPE smells BAD in a casino full of cigarette smoke, in my opinion (and it is just that) you're the problem. Okay? Plain and simple. It's you buddy. Go home if you don't like cotton candy is my advice. GO HOME!

Quote: Ahigh

U Mad Bro? :)

Quote: teddys

U Mad Bro? :)

A dealer at Mandalay Bay (he was on stick at the time) made a comment that made me mad about vaping. He has been the only one. All that he said was that what I was doing (vaping gigantic cloud) was rude. I had about $1,000 in action at the time, and I took everything down when he said that. I didn't say anything to him until I began to leave with my colored-up chips.

Here's what I said to him (and I don't know his name, but I know who he is).

"Rude, huh? Well you should know. I think you're the rudest dealer that I have ever met in my entire life."

And I meant it. This guy is. The ONLY other time this dealer has said one single word to me besides relative to the action he is booking was when I asked him the first question I ever asked him. That question was, "what kinds of things do you do for fun when you're not dealing craps."

The answer I got was, "that is none of your business." Even this particular answer could have been delivered in a non-rude way, but it wasn't. And there was no context of me doing anything to warrant the way that he answered me that way. But that was the first and last time before (this was maybe four months prior to the comment about vaping being rude).

All I was trying to do was to talk about something with the dealer that he was interested in. That's all. Nothing more nothing less. I ask this to dealers frequently and I enjoy hearing them talk about whatever it is that they are interested in. Each dealer is different.

Except this one particular dealer at the Mandalay Bay is a total <edit>. He really is. I don't mean that in a rude way, because I'm not even using his name, and I'm not try to describe him. He just really is a <edit>.

There have been other comments that he makes, usually under his breath. He never says anything pleasant to anyone, and I genuinely feel like he hates his job so much that he should probably just quit.

But getting back to "U Mad Bro? :)"

I'm not MAD. Hell no! But I'm not going to let people say stupid and rude things without responding.

Sorry! I'm going to say what I think.

You want to be ignorant! GO FOR IT. I love to talk about ignorance! Put your ignorance in high gear when I talk about it, because it's can be challenging for even the MOST IGNORANT PERSON ON THE PLANET to not hear me when I am making a point at a craps table.

Smoking is allowed in most casinos, which means vaping is also allowed. I get that. I don't have to like it; I also don't have to go to the casino. That being said, anyone unleashing a giant cloud of anything (including unseen ass gas) in a casino is being rude to those around him, especially if they make no effort to keep their cloud away from other people.

Quote: beachbumbabs

I think objecting about vaping is about 98% having power over someone else, 2% genuine physical discomfort about the vapor (willing to grant that perhaps someone's system is hypersensitive to water vapor, scented or not). Those places that ban smoking, ban vaping not because it's putting pollutants in the air, but because they don't want to deal with the customers who get upset over it;

Exactly.

This is true even of smoking, to a degree. Someone lighting up 75 feet away from you in an open space has no genuine effect whatsoever. Yet you see people in poker rooms all the time who seem to be eagerly waiting for the opportunity to pounce on someone about it.

"I can't stand the smell!" BS. It's amazing how, out of all the smells in the world, the ones people find totally intolerable just happen to be produced when another person is doing something they enjoy.

There's also an element of self righteousness to it. So it's not just the thrill of pissing in someone else's cheerios, it's being able to pat yourself on the back about your superiority while you do it.

Quote: Rigondeaux

Exactly.

This is true even of smoking, to a degree. Someone lighting up 75 feet away from you in an open space has no genuine effect whatsoever. Yet you see people in poker rooms all the time who seem to be eagerly waiting for the opportunity to pounce on someone about it.

"I can't stand the smell!" BS. It's amazing how, out of all the smells in the world, the ones people find totally intolerable just happen to be produced when another person is doing something they enjoy.

There's also an element of self righteousness to it. So it's not just the thrill of pissing in someone else's cheerios, it's being able to pat yourself on the back about your superiority while you do it.

The problem with smoking is that the smoker gets all the benefits and the people around him just get to smell some really crappy smelling smoke. I'm not trying to end smoker's freedom to smoke; I think we have gone too far in that regard. I've never pounced on anyone about smoking but I also hope I would never be as inconsiderate as the idiots that aren't at least considerate enough to turn their head around and send the smoke cloud away from the table.

Would I be happier in a world without smoking? Of course I would. Smelling horrible after hours in a smoke-filled casino is not exactly one of the fun things about gambling. It goes with the territory, though, and I don't complain about it...I just hope more smokers become non-smokers and more vapers get off the juice and finish kicking the awful habit.

Quote: RonC

The problem with smoking is that the smoker gets all the benefits and the people around him just get to smell some really crappy smelling smoke. I'm not trying to end smoker's freedom to smoke; I think we have gone too far in that regard. I've never pounced on anyone about smoking but I also hope I would never be as inconsiderate as the idiots that aren't at least considerate enough to turn their head around and send the smoke cloud away from the table.

Would I be happier in a world without smoking? Of course I would. Smelling horrible after hours in a smoke-filled casino is not exactly one of the fun things about gambling. It goes with the territory, though, and I don't complain about it...I just hope more smokers become non-smokers and more vapers get off the juice and finish kicking the awful habit.

Yeah, if I could get a nicotine buzz off of inhaling 2nd hand smoke/vapor, I would be much cooler with it. But having used smokeless tobacco (another horrible habit) for a few years, I know it takes more and more over time to feel anything. Hell, I'm having a craving just thinking about it and I haven't had any in over 15 years! :(

Quote: RonC

That being said, anyone unleashing a giant cloud of anything (including unseen ass gas) in a casino is being rude to those around him, especially if they make no effort to keep their cloud away from other people.

Suggesting that someone else is rude in a public setting, as you have done above, is also rude. Especially if you do it during a time when that person should normally be expected to be treated with respect and appreciation for being a customer. And as I told this gentleman, those who are the most expert about what is rude and what is not rude are the same people who are given extra information about what is rude and what is not from people observing them.

And here's the fact. I can be rude if I want to. And that table was empty of other patrons. I am the customer, and the dealer does not have the job of telling me, even in private, if I am doing something wrong. In fact, they should ENCOURAGE me to do things that are wrong; I'm not there to get closer to god. I am gambling. I am having fun.

People like yourself are the buzzkills in the world in my opinion. When I am annoyed by someone's smoke, I say NOTHING. I LEAVE! PERIOD. Not because I couldn't stay and get what I want, but because I'm not a kill joy. The last time I mentioned someone's cigar smoke was to jab at the guy because I know he gets an earful about his cigar wherever he goes. And even then I felt bad for saying something because he didn't know I was joking. I feel for these guys. And I'm GLAD that I'm not a cigar smoker.

But my vape is right in your face? Really! REALLY!? Come closer!!! What are you going to do?!?! <EXHALE> MMMMMMmmmmm. Deal with it!

So screw people who are looking for a more tame and civilized experience while I am gambling. They can find another place to find serenity like church or maybe at home alone by themselves where nobody will bother them about anything.

Your way over the top, my friend. I'm sorry, but it is rude to unleash a huge cloud of smoke in anyone's personal space. I've never asked another person not to smoke or to not blow smoke on me...I would either live through it or move away. The same goes with vaping--again, I am not telling you NOT to do it, just that it is indeed rude to launch your cloud in my space.

Am I going to tell you that you are rude? Nope. Am I going to make comments about you? Nope. I never said one word about SAYING anything to anyone. I don't say anything about cigar smokers, either. Never have.

It is simply poor manners to blow smoke or vapors on other people. It is good manners to try as best you can to keep the smoke/vapors away from them. You can act all high and mighty about it being rude to say something is rude, but that is a pile of hogwash.

Having fun does not mean that you need to ruin someone else's fun.

Dealers should shut up and deal. They also shouldn't have smoke blown on them.

Quote: RonC

Dealers should shut up and deal. They also shouldn't have smoke blown on them.

No we agree in general. And I did NOT blow smoke in this dealer's face. I blew my vapor ten feet away and it drifted back. Literally, not figuratively .. TEN feet away.

I know that it is rude to blow smoke in someone's face.

EVERYONE knows that, in general fact.

So pointing out the obvious, as this dealer did, was, in this instance, VERY rude. Add in the context of the dealer, and it's super duper rude.

I have not been back to the Mandalay Bay since this incident, and I filed a verbal complaint with Steve who was working the box at the time that this happened, and let him know, "all I expect is a little bit of respect when I am playing and I don't think that it's too much to ask." I was WAY too emotional to keep playing after this happened.

The thing that you have to realize, though, is that the conflict is about respect. It's not about vapor or smoke or second-hand smoke harm and all that. It's about respect.

And my opinion in this instance is that if I have $1,000 in action on the felt, you need to shut the hell up and deal as good as possible and hope for a win and a big tip.

But yes, I *am* over the top. Ask anyone who has played with me. It's a game. I play. And I love playing. If you don't gamble or play yourself and you don't understand what I want, at least deal well and be quiet. That's all.

AHigh, i wasn't talking about your actions specifically...hell, I still hope to roll the dice with you at some point. My comments are more about those who are incapable of realizing that other people count, too.

Quote: RonC

AHigh, i wasn't talking about your actions specifically...hell, I still hope to roll the dice with you at some point. My comments are more about those who are incapable of realizing that other people count, too.

No worries, and I didn't take any offense. But, yeah, the bottom line, if you're smoking OR if you're vaping, you do need to be MORE concerned with being respectful, not less. And I am. Absolutely.

I had another situation where I got loud at the Silverton a week or two ago that's another good story. It was a disrespectful don't player that was being an ass. Anyone who gambles at the Silverton probably knows this guy. But he shows up to a table full of do-side betters, bets the don't and then asks (VERY loudly) how many days in the week and other inane behavior that is very abrasive and attention-seeking.

I haven't seen a single other person that likes this guy, so it's tough to hate on him as I assume he has a horrible life. But he REALLY was being a kill-joy and I made some noise (basically sarcastic comments about how awesome the guy was) as I left. Nobody else was even going to TOUCH responding to the guy. Everyone was just stone cold silent in disbelief for how detached he was from how upset everyone was about how he was acting.

Just be respectful, yeah, that's my rule.

But back to vaping, more than half the people who talk to me about vaping want to talk about coils or batteries or nicotine content, not how annoyed they are.

But half the fun is the misconceptions of the ignorant and enjoying leading them through the educational process.

Quote: RonC

AHigh, i wasn't talking about your actions specifically...hell, I still hope to roll the dice with you at some point. My comments are more about those who are incapable of realizing that other people count, too.

Which is a bunch...especially at machines. However, I try to grit my teeth on this one because the casino is typically one of the last bastions they have to smoke indoors. Like I said, I got into nicotine in my youth. I totally understand why people smoke. Non smoking casino states are great for people like me...but sadly, they seem to hurt overall. Harrah's New Orleans (non-smoking due to new city ordinance) is really struggling right now.

Quote: tringlomane

...Non smoking casino states are great for people like me...but sadly, they seem to hurt overall. Harrah's New Orleans (non-smoking due to new city ordinance) is really struggling right now.

I can't speak for the other three in Ohio, but you should see the ghost town that Hollywood Toledo is during the week. Pisspour comps and no cash back on machines doesn't help either.

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

I can't speak for the other three in Ohio, but you should see the ghost town that Hollywood Toledo is during the week. Pisspour comps and no cash back on machines doesn't help either.

Yup. Gotta be careful what you ask for. If you worked at a busy place and said there were too many people and you don't want to work as hard, you can change jobs. But you shouldn't run off your employers' customers for your own petty personal reasons. You can and should get fired for that sort of stupidity IMO. You're there to WORK and there are other jobs if you don't like it!

We have COMMERCIALS for casino employees who want smoke free workplaces. I think it's crazy!

Imagine porn workers complaining about coworkers gawking at their naked bodies! Yeah, in a normal workplace, that's a valid complaint. But PORN! HELLO!

I can't grok the whole "I want to work in a casino without cigarettes" argument. You took the job, didn't you?

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

I can't speak for the other three in Ohio, but you should see the ghost town that Hollywood Toledo is during the week. Pisspour comps and no cash back on machines doesn't help either.

Horseshoe Cincy has a "smoking area" with slots/bartops/e-games that is technically exposed to the outdoor area so it's legal, and has semi-poor ventilation overall. I stepped in there because it was the only place that served beer on the gaming floor. In terms of size...a "non-smoking area" in reverse. But it was significantly more utilized than a typical non-smoking area. On a sunday night at 10pm, I would say it was at least half full, vs. an eighth for the rest of the casino.

Quote: tringlomane

Horseshoe Cincy has a "smoking area" with slots/bartops/e-games that is technically exposed to the outdoor area so it's legal, and has semi-poor ventilation overall. I stepped in there because it was the only place that served beer on the gaming floor. In terms of size...a "non-smoking area" in reverse. But it was significantly more utilized than a typical non-smoking area. On a sunday night at 10pm, I would say it was at least half full, vs. an eighth for the rest of the casino.

Toledo has two smoking patios on either side of the casino.

Quote: Ahigh

Yup. Gotta be careful what you ask for. If you worked at a busy place and said there were too many people and you don't want to work as hard, you can change jobs. But you shouldn't run off your employers' customers for your own petty personal reasons. You can and should get fired for that sort of stupidity IMO. You're there to WORK and there are other jobs if you don't like it!

We have COMMERCIALS for casino employees who want smoke free workplaces. I think it's crazy!

Imagine porn workers complaining about coworkers gawking at their naked bodies! Yeah, in a normal workplace, that's a valid complaint. But PORN! HELLO!

I can't grok the whole "I want to work in a casino without cigarettes" argument. You took the job, didn't you?

The workers in Ohio had no say in the matter. Blame the lawmakers. The casinos here in Michigan fought tooth and nail to be exempt from the smoke free work place law that took effect a few years ago.

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

The workers in Ohio had no say in the matter. Blame the lawmakers. The casinos here in Michigan fought tooth and nail to be exempt from the smoke free work place law that took effect a few years ago.

The future of casino gambling is not a casino with fewer people inhaling recreational substances.

In fact, I think it's going the OTHER way.

https://www.euphoriawellnessnv.com/

Tomorrow is the first day that marijuana WILL be legally sold in Las Vegas.



The best sub-ohm shop in Vegas, by the way, and in my opinion is this one:

http://store.vape-street.com

We have heard stories about businesses that are INTOLERANT of marijuana use among it's employees.

I'm very hopeful that we can get a noticeable new wave of visitors visiting Las Vegas who are ready to give the city another chance to make up for how Law Enforcement has treated marijuana patients in the past.

If there is anybody you DO NOT want to blow smoke in their face, it's metro PD. They can't be too happy about having fewer asset forfeiture cases in their future to help their budgets. If we are LUCKY our public schools (yes my kids go to public school) will get some much needed help from this.

For those who are interested to help, this is the next step to support these efforts to help our local economy get back to healthy and vibrant again IMO:

http://www.reviewjournal.com/opinion/editorial-legalizing-recreational-pot-good-policy

Quote: Ahigh

I can't grok the whole "I want to work in a casino without cigarettes" argument. You took the job, didn't you?

It makes some sense in small, unventilated areas as second hand smoke can have a significant health impact in such a situation.

In a casino, I don't understand the motivation. You want to drive away your customers? I'd be more worried about stuff like casinos being so stingy with full time employment status, or the attempts to undermine the union for cocktail waitresses.

Medical marijuana is a fraud. That said, I don't care what anyone else smokes or doesn't smoke as long as I have the option to avoid it. Ask yourself this, do you want the people building your cars or doctors operating on you higher than a kite? And yes, marijuana is addictive as hell.

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Medical marijuana is a fraud. That said, I don't care what anyone else smokes or doesn't smoke as long as I have the option to avoid it. Ask yourself this, do you want the people building your cars or doctors operating on you higher than a kite? And yes, marijuana is addictive as hell.

Actually what I'm going to ask myself is "did he really beat my aces in the real world, or did he imagine it?"

Your response makes me wonder if you have a problem with overconfidence in your position while at the table.

Quote: Ahigh

Actually what I'm going to ask myself is "did he really beat my aces in the real world, or did he imagine it?"

Your response makes me wonder if you have a problem with overconfidence in your position while at the table.

Get off the drugs and speak English. Just because your craps play and your pinball game will be a huge failure, don't take it out on us.

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Quote: Ahigh

Actually what I'm going to ask myself is "did he really beat my aces in the real world, or did he imagine it?"

Your response makes me wonder if you have a problem with overconfidence in your position while at the table.

Get off the drugs and speak English. Just because your craps play and your pinball game will be a huge failure, don't take it out on us.

I was speaking english, actually. Maybe you meant for me to read what you meant instead of what you wrote. But I didn't see anything of any substance in what you wrote. Just some claims without references.

The implication that I am on drugs (I'm not) is not appreciated either. In fact it's insulting. Characterizing me as a failure is also pretty rude and inappropriate IMO.

It appears to me that you have nothing. I was trying to talk your language in saying as much.

I don't need references. I see it every day. You live in tourist land, I don't.

P.S. I haven't played live poker in years.

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

I don't need references. I see it every day. You live in tourist land, I don't.

Wow. Alright. Don't need references. Good luck with that.

Let me add this. If you understood my first post. I'm neither for NOR against it! Just keep it away from me please.

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Let me add this. If you understood my first post. I'm neither for NOR against it! Just keep it away from me please.

Yeah, I feel the same way about alcohol. I don't know about you, but if I had to pick between alcohol and marijuana which one I would rather have kept away from me, it would be alcohol.

It's an interesting perspective that you have, though. I can respect it no matter if it is based on facts or fears.

But show some respect, please. It's a little bit irritating how you are talking to me so rudely.

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Medical marijuana is a fraud.

I haven't read the research on this, so I am not going to comment on it.

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

That said, I don't care what anyone else smokes or doesn't smoke as long as I have the option to avoid it. Ask yourself this, do you want the people building your cars or doctors operating on you higher than a kite?

This is the big issue to me. How do you test fairly for intoxication? I just read an article (not making me an expert, of course!) that seemed to point towards there being no accurate way of testing for current usage and intoxication level. At this point, that would mean observation of field sobriety tests would be the key element in proving intoxication. Will they have to add tests? Be more detailed in them?

The test currently used basically help get them to the point where you can be tested with a breathalyzer. That evidence is pretty readily accepted, even if it doesn't show an exact level of intoxication based on how your individual body reacts to alcohol, because now they have a field sobriety test and a breath test (maybe even a blood test).

I know, I know...you can't keep something illegal just because you can't test for it,,,but I also don't want my doctor high when he is operating on me!!

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

And yes, marijuana is addictive as hell.

Lots of bad things are addictive...

Quote: RonC

I know, I know...you can't keep something illegal just because you can't test for it,,,but I also don't want my doctor high when he is operating on me!!

Lots of bad things are addictive...

http://www.today.com/news/your-doctor-stoned-physicians-substance-abuse-problems-continue-work-1D79801891

Looks like as serious problem, but "stoned" in this story isn't talking about marijuana much.

As a matter of fact, the word "stoned" is the only word I heard in the entire story that is even MILDLY associated with marijuana. They probably just wanted it for the headlines because an image of Cheech and Chong at the operating table (the fantasy) is more interesting than a doctor with Vodka under his desk (the reality).

Quote: RonC

...Lots of bad things are addictive...

Sure there are. But don't lie (not you but the industry) to me and tell me it isn't when I know damn well that it is. EVERYONE I know, and it's many, that smoke weed are addicted as hell to it.