phendricks
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February 24th, 2015 at 4:31:52 AM permalink
AlexWolf, couldn't do that. There was already a market at $25-26 and I don't speak Cantonese or Fujianese.

darkoz, a driver was bitter about being paid late/stiffed by Mr. Ho, so he emptied the bus septic tank in the arrival area at Sands.
Frogger
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February 24th, 2015 at 12:22:55 PM permalink
Quote: phendricks

AlexWolf, couldn't do that. There was already a market at $25-26 and I don't speak Cantonese or Fujianese.



So you paid $2.50 per card? How many were you able to do a day? 100?
darkoz
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February 24th, 2015 at 12:27:25 PM permalink
Quote: Frogger

So you paid $2.50 per card? How many were you able to do a day? 100?



As I said in the article, the Sands deal is a Sellers' Market. The people riding the bus are homeless, but also gambling savvy for the most part. They understand the value of the free-play and many have gambling habits. If anything, they prefer not to play themselves because after winning their money they end up gambling it all back.

However, they won't sell for anything but a high premium since they know they can just turn it over themselves. They're just looking for the guaranteed profit of selling to someone else.
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February 24th, 2015 at 12:30:35 PM permalink
Quote: Frogger

So you paid $2.50 per card? How many were you able to do a day? 100?

He made (not paid )approximately $2.50 a card.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
mickeycrimm
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February 24th, 2015 at 12:41:38 PM permalink
Quote: teddys

Great story. The resourcefulness of the hustlers amazes me.

Asian hustlers>regular hustlers. New York Asians=>the best hustlers.



Asian hustlers were a force to be reckoned with in the heyday of accumulator slots. They monopolized entire locations like Foxwoods, MGM in Vegas, Harrah's Joliet, Motor City in Detroit. I got to be friends with one at Motor City. He told me a little bit about how they operate. They were well networked. If one guy got banned from one joint and another guy got banned from another joint they just traded places. There have been cases where they walked off from W-2G jackpots because none of them were legal in America. Working the accumulator slots was a great way for them to make a living and fly under the radar in this country.
"Quit trying your luck and start trying your skill." Mickey Crimm
phendricks
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February 24th, 2015 at 1:32:14 PM permalink
Quote: Frogger

So you paid $2.50 per card? How many were you able to do a day? 100?



Right, about $2.50 profit per card (house edge on that game was 0.62%). How many cards a day? A good amount. Plus about $160 in weekly mailers as well (Sands used to give points on free play, now I can't think of a single casino in the East Coast that does).

Being able to speak fluent English was a huge plus, because I got along with the Director of Security very well, and he didn't bother me when I loaded up the machine with big amounts of free play.

The best part was that the ploppies understood that in Pennsylvania casinos, everyone has their own 8 deck shoe in virtual blackjack, so nobody can "take the dealer's bust card". Made doubling a soft 19 more comforting.
Frogger
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February 24th, 2015 at 2:15:12 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

He made (not paid )approximately $2.50 a card.



Right .... stupid typo!
paigower
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June 26th, 2015 at 6:49:55 AM permalink
Quote: mickeycrimm

... There have been cases where they walked off from W-2G jackpots because none of them were legal in America...



A story out of Sands Bethlehem from my last trip - there's a guy walking around with 700k in chips won after an insane run at baccarat that couldn't cash out...
chessplayer99z
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June 26th, 2015 at 2:14:03 PM permalink
Wow sounds interesting :)
SimpleHustle
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June 27th, 2015 at 9:03:44 AM permalink
Great read and fascinating to say the least.

one question... is it possible that the Sands is cooking the books by deducting the $45 free plays as comps and getting reimbursed from the state's cut of the slot play revenue? I can't see these blood-sucking casinos allowing this to go on unless there is money to be made.

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