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February 20th, 2015 at 8:21:30 AM permalink
So, got a little more bad news last night and will be otherwise occupied this weekend. Please have a great time.

FWIW: Partial collapse of Harrah's Cherokee parking deck Thurs.
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February 20th, 2015 at 8:42:47 AM permalink
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There used to be 9/6 JoB at the $5 level in High Limit Room. 1 bank 3 machines a side. $1 $2 $5 denomination Only $5 is 9/6. There was also one lonely $5 Game King on the floor but I think it got wiped out when they added to the tables game section. Last time I was there the New Sphinx 3D machine was throwing out money.



There ya go. Never listen to a craps player when he gives you info on slots. LOL

I would have checked at the $1 level, not realizing the $5 might give you a better pay table.

My wife found a slot she really liked playing a couple of trips ago. Did not write the name of the slot down, but knew where it was located. We went back 3 months later, and the slot was moved, or removed. Since she didn't know the name either, we couldn't even search for it. They move/remove/change/swap slots around there more than any other casino I have been in.
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February 20th, 2015 at 8:48:35 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

So, got a little more bad news last night and will be otherwise occupied this weekend. Please have a great time.

FWIW: Partial collapse of Harrah's Cherokee parking deck Thurs.



Wow, thanks for the link BBB.

From the pics, I'm thinking the ramp truck had a vehicle on it, and exceeded the load bearing capability of that one section.
Calling it a partial collapse I think is a bit melodramatic, although technically correct.

I wonder if it is the casino garage out back, or the garage near the hotels. Not looking forward to hiking to my room from the casino garages.

Sorry to hear you won't be able to attend. I was looking forward to getting a chance to meet you.
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February 20th, 2015 at 8:49:27 AM permalink
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So, got a little more bad news last night and will be otherwise occupied this weekend. Please have a great time.


Well bummer. We'll miss you. Hope the bad news is minor.

Quote: beachbumbabs

FWIW: Partial collapse of Harrah's Cherokee parking deck Thurs.


Yeeoww!

Photos make it looks as if a rather large tow truck was driving in the area intended for cars. I have seen parking decks before that just couldn't accommodate large trucks, and I don't know how you are supposed to get vehicles removed from such places. If they were just parked improperly (low-life like me parking in a 7-Stars area), then I think booting would be better than bringing in a truck that will fall through the decking. But if the vehicle had failed and needed to be removed for repair, I don't know what you are supposed to do. Better planning in the construction?
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February 20th, 2015 at 2:36:02 PM permalink
thanks for the info

will look for bonus poker at lower denoms
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February 23rd, 2015 at 3:23:10 PM permalink
Well, the WoV gathering at Harrah's Cherokee Casino, by whatever name you wish to call it -- or no name at all -- has now come to an end. In case any of you non-attendees thought that there might not be a group photo of this gathering, where was your faith? The group in the photo below, left to right, is Doc, the incognito odiousgambit, RaleighCraps, teddys, and rdw4potus.

There was one other member who was there for part of the weekend: villarrr. Turns out that I never met him. He was pointed out to me, and we passed coming and going a couple of times, while I expected that eventually we would sit down together and be introduced. That never happened, and he did not join us for dinner Sunday night. I think he had left by then.

The photo was taken right after dinner (and thanks very much once again, teddys) in front of the tribal seal on an inside wall near the main entrance to the casino. During dinner, in amongst the grief I was receiving for my nerdiness on this forum, I told the tale of why I think this is a bogus seal. In case you are interested, I posted that story here when I posted my souvenir chip from this casino.


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February 23rd, 2015 at 3:54:11 PM permalink
Good picture, guys! So, how did it go? Who won the craps challenge?
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February 23rd, 2015 at 5:27:30 PM permalink
Quote: Doc


There was one other member who was there for part of the weekend: villarrr. Turns out that I never met him. He was pointed out to me, and we passed coming and going a couple of times, while I expected that eventually we would sit down together and be introduced. That never happened, and he did not join us for dinner Sunday night. I think he had left by then.



Hey I was indeed there, but had to get back to Raleigh early (suffering the after effects of one too many beverages + late night (5AM) craps session). Enjoyed meeting everyone. Look forward to the next event. It had been a while since I had been to Cherokee (as most of my trips are to the new Horseshoe in Baltimore)

Again, thanks to everyone for being so friendly.
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February 23rd, 2015 at 5:31:52 PM permalink
Did the second guy cover his face because he is John Lithgow?
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February 23rd, 2015 at 6:19:28 PM permalink
Doc's previous post listed the attendees. A couple of us got in on Friday, most were there on Saturday, and two made their showing on Sunday. While the weather all around us was nasty, for the most part, all of our travels were not bad. I think some fog and rain was the most we dealt with, although some travels were delayed or taken earlier to avoid bad roads.

To answer BBB's question, Doc was the winner. On tables that were fairly cold, Doc managed to do a sequence of 2 points made, then 3 points made a couple of times. rdw4potus also had a 3 point roll, while teddy and OG both had a couple of 2 point rolls I believe.
Once again, I was not around for much of the challenge, due to getting crushed early. Since the tables had been fairly cold, I was not pass line betting, opting instead to do a come bet. So I never got paid on any of our members nice rolls, as none of my come bets ever got hit. Well, maybe one of two did, but it was not enough to prevent a pounding and a very early exit.


Others will have to post more details on the meet up, as I was in a coma type fog most of the weekend. I would like to thank teddy for hosting a great meal at Ruth's Chris on Sunday evening. It was a good meet, as I believe everyone got a chance to meet someone they had not met before. And it was pretty neat to have a brand new forum member, villarrr, make the trip out there to play craps with us as well. Unfortunately, he was not able to stay Sunday night, and had to leave before we even started the craps challenge. But teddy, OG, and I all got a chance to play quite a bit of craps with him. Welcome villarrr.

The rest of this post amounts to nothing more than a rage/rant about the craps conditions that I encountered most of the weekend.


I was extremely frustrated with the craps games at Cherokee.The tables were pretty crowded, and $15 was about the best you could find. But it was the crews that really got under my skin. They seemed to be spending way more time yucking it up , than they were on the game. The games were ALL EXTREMELY slow and choppy. It was by far the worse I have seen it there. And since I like a game with a nice rhythm and flow, I found this annoying.

Here are a 2 examples of how bad it was.

The first happened on the first night. Base dealer and stick are yucking it up, along with the box. Known (local) player had made some sort of center bet. Come out throw was a 12. While the crew and player are yucking it up, and determining the amount to pay, the base dealer neglects to take any of the 4 pass line bets. And no one notices. I think the box was in conversation with the other dealer, but I wasn't really paying that close of attention.
Now I will normally point out a mistake of not taking my money, but there were 3 other people this was going to affect, so I kept quiet. Plus since I was getting annoyed, I was not really inclined to do their jobs for them.

The second happened when I was playing at 5 AM. There were 3 of us on the table. There were 2 of us on my side of the table. As was the theme, the crew was yucking it up. I don't mind conversation, etc. What I minded was they were NOT running the game and conversing. The game was just an after thought. They would hold the dice for 10 seconds while they finished their story, pause in the middle of payouts, just really messy stuff. I have the dice, have rolled four or five times, and the stick while engrossed in their conversation with the box and dealer, pushes my dice to the other player. SERIOUSLY? There are only 2 of us, and you can't remember who is shooting? I KNOW it has nothing to do with it, but of course after I got the dice, I went 7 out with some heavy money on the table. If she had been paying attention to the game, I would not have cared, as I know mistakes happen. But the fact was, the crew in general was not paying any attention to the game.

I got on a table by myself and was making a few points, and feeling comfortable. Stick change, and new stick just wants to talk. Dice come to me whenever she feels like it, which was not very often. Rather than make a scene, I just colored up and left.

And check out this ruling by a box and floor!
Saturday morning as the tables are starting to fill up. guy walks up to our table with about 3 open spots, and puts 7 white chips in the rail, turns and walks away. Does not say anything to the crew or the box. ONE HOUR goes by. Table is full, and a couple of people have been eying the spot. Finally one of them approaches the table and asks if the spot was taken. Base dealer says guy just stepped away. I interject and say, "uh, that's not the case. That guy has been gone for over an hour", so dealer says, OH, and proceeds to grab the chips to lock them up. Box tells the dealer, "You can't do that. That spot belongs to the player. He will be right back." I say "What makes you think he is coming back now since it has been an hour." Box gets real pissy and raises his voice actually quite a bit and says "This is my call, and I am not going to discuss this. Play the game." The floor had come over, but did not get involved. I replied, "I understand it is your call, and I could not care less, but this has got to be the worst ruling I have ever seen made at a craps table." I then turned away so there would be no further engagement. It was early and I was still in a pretty good mood, but had it been later on, I am quite sure I would have taken the time to file an official complaint at the way he over reacted to my initial input. After discussing the event later with another member who was there, we concluded we think the player who dropped the chips off must be a known player the box was doing a favor. And the box certainly didn't appreciate my pointing out how long it had been.
I ran this scenario by two other floors on Sunday morning and Sunday early morning, without telling them what the ruling was. I just asked them how they would handle a case where someone drops off chips and is gone for an hour. Both floors said they would lock the chips up for the player to claim, and let someone have the spot to play.

I played Monday morning before we left, and the game and crew were great. It was run like craps games I am used to playing. They ran the game, and had some fun, but the priority was the game. It was refreshing to actually have a real game. I still had a losing session, so that wasn't the reason.
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February 23rd, 2015 at 6:54:59 PM permalink
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In case any of you non-attendees thought that there might not be a group photo



sorry for effing up the group photo. It occurred to me later I could have just asked Doc to blot out my face, duh. I look like an idiot there. And you know, seems like if I couldn't afford a new pair of pants, I could at least get those pressed once in a while LOL.

It was nice to meet Mr. and Mrs. Doc, Ross, and Villarrr for the first time. Just like the last meet-up, I have to say I don't think you could have met with a nicer group of people to be around. This has really been cool.

will post some thoughts later about craps etc.
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February 23rd, 2015 at 7:45:59 PM permalink
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sorry for effing up the group photo. It occurred to me later I could have just asked Doc to blot out my face, duh. I look like an idiot there. And you know, seems like if I couldn't afford a new pair of pants, I could at least get those pressed once in a while LOL.

It was nice to meet Mr. and Mrs. Doc, Ross, and Villarrr for the first time. Just like the last meet-up, I have to say I don't think you could have met with a nicer group of people to be around. This has really been cool.

will post some thoughts later about craps etc.



Yeah, that's been my experience at each of the meetups I've made. A lot of really great people on this board.
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February 23rd, 2015 at 7:57:09 PM permalink
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Did the second guy cover his face because he is John Lithgow?



I think Perdition nailed it !

I hereby rechristen OG as DrDick, as in Dr Dick Solomon in 3rd Rock From the Sun
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February 24th, 2015 at 4:55:27 AM permalink
I freely confess I am plagued with the Charlie Brown/John Lithgow look

and have been called a dick before LOL
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February 24th, 2015 at 5:53:48 AM permalink
Now that I have had a good sleep, and my craps ranting is over, I can comment on a couple of other items from the meet.

TRIVIA CONTEST - I made a few mistakes.
I guess I unintentionally biased the questions towards the old(er) members, I made the questions too hard, and I weighted the questions like a Jeopardy game, with initial question parts worth 1 point, middle questions parts worth 2 points, and the final parts worth 3 points. However, what I failed to think through, the final question was then weighted to be just over 25% of the points available, and it was a geography question, which was right in teddy's wheelhouse. So in spite of the age bias of the questions, that was enough to let teddy seize yet another trivia title.

BEST BETS MADE -
If I was not the one choosing, I would give the title to myself. teddys had posted that a $20 slot tournament was 100% player equity, since Harrah's was returning 100% of the prize pool to the first five places. I bet teddy $5 that Harrah's would not run any tournament where they were not taking some form of rake, and thus the full $20 would not be going into the prize pool.
PS. For those who say pics or it didn't happen, I have a photo of teddy handing me the $5.

PPS (For the grammar people. teddys is a non capitalized name. I started the second sentence above with teddys. What takes precedent, a sentence always starts with a capital, or the name, which in this case is not capitalized?)

Other than the snafu above, I guess teddy would have to be the winner of this category as well, just barely edging rdw4potus. teddy played craps for 2 days by only taking odds on other people's bets. Since we were on $15 tables, very few pass and come bets had $150 in odds. So teddy would ask to add his money to the odds, thus managing to play a 0% HE craps game.
I did this with teddy on Saturday with teddy passing me the money as I was making the bet, and then I would cut out the winnings and hand them right back to teddy, with full knowledge of the box and crew. The crew never said a word about it. I believe the only heat teddy got was when he threw the dice once when he had not had any action on the previous shooter (he had odds action but technically it was not his). The box told him he had to have his own bet on the table before he became the next shooter.

rdw4potus gets the honorable mention as he and teddy decided to pool their money and play from one rail position, thus getting themselves a $7.50 game while the rest of us played at $15.

DUMBEST PLAY
No contest on this one. I win it hands down. I had two coupons to use to get cash at the cage. My twice a month $40, and a special offer for $125. I knew the $125 had to be cashed on 2/21, but was not paying attention, and took both tickets to the cage on Sunday, which of course was 2/22. What a moron. At least this was better than last year when I let $180 go unclaimed because I FORGOT I even had that coupon. At least I managed to get this one to the casino hotel.
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February 24th, 2015 at 6:23:22 AM permalink
Here is the Trivia contest. (Spoiler tag has the answer)

1. When did table games go live in Cherokee?

(1 pt) Month -
(1 pt) Year -
August 2012

2. When did the pact get signed between the Eastern Band of Cherokees and the state of NC, permitting live table games?
(2 pts- no partial credit) MM/YY
November 2011

3. What was the first casino in AC, and what year did it open?

1 pt – Name -
1 pt – Year -
2 pt Bonus – What singer threw the first dice to open the games?
Resorts Casino Hotel, 1978 (May 26) , Steve Lawrence


4. What was the name of the first casino in AC forced to close due to bankruptcy, and when did it close?

1 pt – Name – l
2 pt – Year -
5 pt bonus – What was the casino's well known, previous name?
Elsinore's Atlantis Hotel , 1989 (May) , Playboy Club


5. Narcissistic question. I posted in the forum about being on the table for the opening craps roll of live table games in PA on July 13, 2010. What was the name of the casino ?
2 pts –
Mt Airy Resort and Casino

6. Name the first luxury casino to open on the Vegas strip.

2 pt – Name –
2 pt – Year -
2 pt – Owner's name –
Pink Flamingo , 1946 , Bugsy Siegel


7. The Dunes was imploded in what year, and what casino replaced it?

2 pt – year 199_ -
2 pt -new casino name -
1993 , Bellagio

8. In 1980 what famous strip casino hotel caught fire, and within 10%, how many people died in that fire?
2 pt – casino -
2 pt – number of people -
MGM , 78 to 96 accepted (87)

9. What WoV member is most associated with Speed Count?
2 pts – Forum name -
2 pts – Real first name -
2 pts – real last name -
AceofSpades - Ace had publicly provided that info himself, but I will not do so here.

10. The whole premise of Speed Count can be summed up in a quick sentence.
What are the simple mechanics of Speed Count?
5 pts

for each deal, count the total number of 2s thru 6s on the felt, then subtract the total number of hands on the felt. The higher the number, the more advantage to the player. On average there is 1.03 low card per hand.

11. According to the US Dice Gaming Commission, what are the min and max size requirements for craps dice?
2 pts – min size
2 pts – max size
.750" or 19.05mm , .775" or 19.685mm

12. The US Dice Gaming Commission specifies how the ONE, TWO, and THREE dice sides are to be oriented on the craps die.
2 pts – True / False
False

FINAL : Vegas is the gambling mecca in the US. List the four state capitals that are closest to Las Vegas (as a car drives according to Google Maps), starting with the closest capital and ending with the furthest capital.
3 pts for each state capital name
3 pts for each capital listed in the correct position.

Phoenix, AZ - 297 miles
Salt Lake City, UT - 421 miles
Carson City, NV - 434 miles
Sacremento, CA – 562 miles


FUN FACTS : according to 2012 Tax revenue, list the top four states for gambling tax revenue collected. List highest to lowest.

PA , NV , NY , IN

And again for 2012, list the top four states in descending order, with the highest gaming revenues.
NV, PA, NJ, IN
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February 24th, 2015 at 6:50:04 AM permalink
It is interesting that Cherokee finally has one table of Pai Gow Poker. However, it is electronically dealt, but the bets are handled through a dealer (so I am told. I forgot to find the game)

Not sure what kind of message this is sending.

When Cherokee first opened as a slots casino, they had electronic games, with live dealers, but fought the state to be able to have live games, with dealer dealt cards, and to add roulette and craps. After a fight, the fed forced NC to allow the Cherokee live games. So here we are 3 years later, and now Cherokee has added a bubble craps machine (no dealer required), an electronic Pai Gow Poker table (using a dealer to handle bets), and an electronic baccarat table (using a dealer to handle bets).

I am not a fan of the electronic invasion into gaming. As a programmer, I understand how easy it would be to create advantages for the casino that would be much, much harder to do on a game run strictly by humans. I'm not saying they are cheating. I am just saying it is possible to do.
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February 24th, 2015 at 7:09:51 AM permalink
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It is interesting that Cherokee finally has one table of Pai Gow Poker. However, it is electronically dealt, but the bets are handled through a dealer (so I am told. I forgot to find the game)



Teddys and I played that game for a few minutes on Sunday night. it was pretty rough. Hard to use the screens, hard to pick cards, etc. There was a third player at the table for a while, and she remarked that the fun part of the game is usually in revealing your hand. That part is pretty much gone from the E-game. Also, the E-game at Cherokee has only the base game and an odd side bet (1-6-8 was the name) that revolved around the dealer's hand (kind of like the PaiGow'd bet). I think I made that bet one time and then realized that it's much more fun to root for a straight or better in my own hand than it is to root for the dealer to have a bad hand.
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February 24th, 2015 at 8:09:15 AM permalink
My answer to question 9 was Frank Scoblete. Would I have gotten any credit?
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February 24th, 2015 at 8:17:05 AM permalink
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My answer to question 9 was Frank Scoblete. Would I have gotten any credit?



Interesting answer. What evidence would you present for your case to show that he is the member 'most' associated with speed count?
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February 24th, 2015 at 8:29:45 AM permalink
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Interesting answer. What evidence would you present for your case to show that he is the member 'most' associated with speed count?



His book, Golden Touch Blackjack Revolution, teaches it. He taught it at seminars and maybe still does. I don't think Henry Tamburin is a member here but Frank is. I immediately thought of Frank and never thought of ace. My mind just went in a different direction. Partial credit?
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February 24th, 2015 at 8:41:51 AM permalink
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Who won the craps challenge?

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To answer BBB's question, Doc was the winner.


I suppose that I should point out two things:

(1) I was the only member of our group who even bothered to set the dice. Didn't someone around here make the point, "How can you influence the dice if you don't even try?"

(2) I lost money on all but one of my craps sessions, with the biggest loss coming on the session during which I won the challenge.
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February 24th, 2015 at 9:17:37 AM permalink
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His book, Golden Touch Blackjack Revolution, teaches it. He taught it at seminars and maybe still does. I don't think Henry Tamburin is a member here but Frank is. I immediately thought of Frank and never thought of ace. My mind just went in a different direction. Partial credit?



I'd have to give you full credit for that answer, although that sure made answering the first and last name quite a bit less of a challenge. :-D

Did you know any of the AC questions?
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February 24th, 2015 at 9:27:14 AM permalink
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TRIVIA CONTEST - I made a few mistakes... [including] I made the questions too hard



they were hard, but the wizard makes them hard too. I enjoyed the quiz, doing terrible myself. One good result: since I used to know all the state capitols, I have vowed to be able to do that again. It’s been bugging me for a long time I no longer know them.

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and it was a geography question, which was right in teddy's wheelhouse



you mentioned there was someone pressing for categories Teddy would not be good at; in case anyone missed it, I confessed it was me.

This is a tall order, of course, because of the complication that it would have to be a category he is bad in but others are good in LOL.

Teddy, they say just because you're paranoid doesn’t mean someone isn’t out to get you !!

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the box told [Teddy] he had to have his own bet on the table before he became the next shooter.



I was told this when the dice came to me right after buying chips but before I bet, so it is a rule and not just an instance of the box angry at what Teddy was doing.

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rdw4potus gets the honorable mention as he and teddy decided to pool their money and play from one rail position, thus getting themselves a $7.50 game while the rest of us played at $15.



it has dawned on me that this sort of thing is another reason casinos limit the level of free odds

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I was the only member of our group who even bothered to set the dice. Didn't someone around here make the point, "How can you influence the dice if you don't even try?"



Nobody ever said that who showed up though, or did someone?

I often set the dice, but did so well recently without setting the dice I am now trying to randomize as much as possible, even randomizing before I throw. This is the silly superstition of not changing something that is working.

Now that you have asked for comments, though, I'll ask what I had said to myself I wouldnt ask: if you are going to put the 3s on top, why aren't you using the flying V when you want less 7s? It can be demonstrated that if the dice stay on axis, it means less 7s, plus there is the fact that with the flying V they are automatically set in a way that works for this without fuss.
I don't believe in dice setting and do it occasionally for my own entertainment. Doc mentioned as much himself



Quote: Doc

I lost money on all but one of my craps sessions, with the biggest loss coming on the session during which I won the challenge.



More on that in a later post.
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February 24th, 2015 at 9:29:23 AM permalink
That was the most frustrating trivia test I've ever seen. Wow. I would've tanked completely. Glad to have been spared the pain!

IMO, teddys should be capped at the beginning of a sentence. FWIW.

Thanks for all the details, guys! Great reading.
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February 24th, 2015 at 10:13:55 AM permalink
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I'd have to give you full credit for that answer, although that sure made answering the first and last name quite a bit less of a challenge. :-D

Did you know any of the AC questions?



I got all the Resorts questions. I better because I was in line to get in on opening day. I got the Atlantis but not the exact date. I stayed there many times under Playboy, Atlantis and Trump Regency which had no casino.
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February 24th, 2015 at 11:57:10 AM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

Now that you have asked for comments, though, I'll ask what I had said to myself I wouldnt ask: if you are going to put the 3s on top, why aren't you using the flying V when you want less 7s? It can be demonstrated that if the dice stay on axis, it means less 7s, plus there is the fact that with the flying V they are automatically set in a way that works for this without fuss.

I don't believe in dice setting and do it occasionally for my own entertainment. Doc mentioned as much himself


The comment in your spoiler definitely applies to me.

Yes, I set the dice in the same arrangement every time, regardless of the situation -- threes on top and twos facing me. I think some people call that the "hard way" set. With regard to "It can be demonstrated that if the dice stay on axis...", I can only respond, "Didn't you notice how the dice spun and tumbled from the moment they left my fingers and bounced all over the table and even off of it? What the heck is this 'stay on axis' crap?"

I set the dice because it is a fun thing to do, and I frequently comment that I might even play roulette if they would let me spin the wheel and roll the ball. The only pseudo-rational explanations I have for the set I use are (1) that if the dice were to behave as if they were glued together, I would roll a lot of hardways, and (2) if I would like for the dice to stop in the same positions that they did on my come out roll, I might as well start them off in the same position (rather than having a come-out set and a shooting-for-the-point set).
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February 24th, 2015 at 1:03:11 PM permalink
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if I would like for the dice to stop in the same positions that they did on my come out roll, I might as well start them off in the same position



Didn't you notice how the dice spun and tumbled from the moment they left your fingers and bounced all over the table and even off of it?

[sorry, couldn't resist!]
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February 25th, 2015 at 4:54:54 AM permalink
In case it’s not clear let me just emphasize we had a blast! Many thanks to R-craps for putting in the effort to make it so. And Mrs. R-craps, no doubt.

As some of you may have noted, earlier in this thread I had given thought to playing some new [to me] table game like Let it Ride, just so I could say I’ve played them I guess. Turns out I didn’t, main reason being lady luck was with me most of the time for this trip. I was enjoying my Craps and Video Poker play too much to consider anything else too seriously.

Nice place if you ask me; attractive in general, river runs by it, parking is convenient, and although people fired up the tobacco plenty, it wasn’t too bad [unless they were next to you]. Good buffet if a little pricey, and good restaurants and bars all over the place.

R-craps had indicated he and the missus were going to try to do other stuff in the area, and so I didn’t necessarily expect to see them before Saturday and maybe late on that date. But I texted him as I was checking the place out Friday afternoon and sure enough they were already there, weather no doubt screwing up other plans. Naturally we had to have a session at Craps, so we played a bit, me knocking off well before midnight as the weather was to worsen after that per forecast. I colored up and found I ‘broke even’ ... now, I use that expression a lot without worrying about it being accurate, usually with me that means I wound up close to even give or take something less than a Franklin. But this time it was, after tip, exactly even, winding up with the exact amount I bought in for. Heading back I realized I had left just in time to avoid possibly hitting some ice if there were spots the road crews hadn’t gotten to. I had the longest drive, see below if this is getting too long to read.

Next day I waited till the temperature was above freezing and drove back, lucky horseshoe inserted this time. I figured if no one was texting me then I should check out the VP and new-to-me table games till evening [never doing the latter]. See below for wordy description of VP search undertaken.

And wow! I was really getting some great chances that afternoon, including 4 to royal draws. I was mostly unable to hit these, that’s how it goes, but got a couple of 4 oaks and lots of straights, some of the latter dealt pat. Finally I hit an 8 to Queen straight flush and was up quite a bit considering the long period of time I played. Just a really great time.

By late afternoon a Craps session was on with me, R-C, and Villarrr. Besides generally just having a good time, I don’t remember how we were doing except at least staying even. We were having fun turning on the odds bet on the Come during come out rolls and mostly seeing them get nothing or get killed; much discussion about whether a player can stand it and exactly the effect, which we agreed was a matter of increasing the variance - still not sure if it affects the HE myself. Noting the Wizard recommends it, I kept them working, often paying the price. The table was lukewarm at best.

Until.

As happens so often, there is this one guy who gets hot. This time it was one of the best situations, a shooter who not only rolls a long, long time but also hits his points and repeats. And he was rolling my numbers on the come. Our chips started piling up sure enough. And there was some cool moments when the working come odds paid off nicely; a little dramatically, I would hand the odds money to the dealer before the come-out roll was rolled, saying “odds working!” to him. Villarr decides to do the same, so we both are on the hook now. Pow! dude rolls our number! What a shooter! Lots of hollering now, we were just having a big time.

Villarr had to go and since I didn’t want to give it back, I colored up too. Biggest win for me yet, up $1100. Now that is pretty lame as these things go, I have to admit, but in my own frame of reference it was great! And I never had more than one Come bet going plus the line bet. Odds on both working all the time, but never more than 4x when 10x was allowed. Villarr and I both tossed him a green chip - never gave a shooter that much before. He was that hot!

Next day was give it back day. That in a future post.

I cruised around all the slot machines, finding VP machines stuck in among them at random. I’m very picky, the machine must be 25 cents and have something imitating a good paytable, and for sure allow hitting a Royal without getting a W2-g. I am indebted to Tringlomane for suggesting Bonus Poker as often better than JoB, and the Wizard for emphasizing it as often the only decent game available on his page. Well, I knew 8/5 Bonus Poker was pretty good and sure enough I thought I found it in a Game King section. I had thought the ‘bonus’ meant 4 oak with certain numbers had a special paytable, and this had none of that, but paid more for *any* 4 oak than the JoB on the same machine. I guess that works, but it is not the standard 8/5 paytable and not quite as good. However, not bad, and was 25c, and as far as I could tell the best VP return in the place and is the 30-8-5 — 98.48% table shown at the Wizard page below. Teddy, if reading this, a correction to what I told you. https://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/tables/bonus-poker/


As soon as I determined Mrs. OG had dug her heels in and determined not to come, I did my usual hotels dot com search for a good deal without concern about making the spouse happy. On my own, I like a cheap place that’s quiet. If staying only 3 nights like this, I don’t want any pampering, not even room service . Of course the wife is completely different, and might not like some place just because it isn’t new and shiny, and wants the maid to come straighten it all out every day so she can pretend we normally have servants to do all that stuff all the time LOL. So, to Doc’s exasperation, having told us not to, I stayed in Maggie Valley. Room was fine for me. Google Maps had this as like 20 minutes from the casino. Unfortunately it was about double that, as the old road [tho very scenic] has you going at a crawl due to all the hairpin turns, and the new road requires a backtrack and adds distance anyway[ but is a lot safer in bad weather, which meant I took it frequently] So the moral of the story is, don’t stay in Maggie Valley. Although I might do it again LOL.
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February 25th, 2015 at 6:48:37 AM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

So the moral of the story is, don’t stay in Maggie Valley. Although I might do it again LOL.



Well, the moral of the story should really say, "If you are visiting the casino, Don't stay in Maggie Valley in the wintertime".
I have made the trip from Cherokee to Maggie Valley numerous times, and it is a fun drive (Since Cherokee is on the reservation, you have to go to Maggie Valley to get to an ABC store).
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February 25th, 2015 at 6:57:33 AM permalink
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(Since Cherokee is on the reservation, you have to go to Maggie Valley to get to an ABC store).



Never thought about that before - is the Res dry except for the casino?

Edit: also, not that it matters, but isn't the ABC in the other direction easier to get to? I'm sure I could get to Bryson City and back before I could get to Maggie Valley and back.
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February 25th, 2015 at 7:13:09 AM permalink
I believe the res is dry, but I can't say for certain.
You are probably right about it being quicker to go to Bryson City.
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February 25th, 2015 at 8:47:26 AM permalink
part II

The last day, Sunday, I feared would be ‘give it back day’, but I was pretty determined to leave with ‘some’ money at least.

Ready to play Craps by afternoon, all of us except Villarr were there for the planned challenge. The contest seemed to go well with RDW and Doc rolling 3 numbers in a hand. Yet everybody got clobbered except [I think] RDW.

This was informative. We were all rightside players, so it wasn’t as if RDW took that route. It just shows that it is possible to make slightly different decisions and get very different results. In my case, I was making plenty of come bets and got bloodied every time. In R-craps case, as he related in a post above, he switched to making ‘only’ come bets right at the wrong time. I think RDW just stuck to the Pass bet with odds and did fine. Maybe he can confirm that. All different results.

I also have to conclude that my idea about a Craps challenge going reasonably well would mean it would practically ensure that a session would wind up nicely for rightside bettors is not reliable. This has been two challenges in a row where it has not panned out well. I’m surprised and don’t know what to think. Well, they are fun anyway, although a challenge that also pays off at the cashier would surely be even more fun LOL!

So this Craps session was a loser - I was still way ahead - I cut loose and went back to try my luck at VP again. Just couldn’t hit a thing though, and wasn’t getting those great draws either. Gave it all back and then some.

Joined the guys back at the Craps table at what was going to be a short session before Teddy’s generous dinner treat, see below for details. I bought in small, daring the dice to lust after a vulnerable sum. Sure enough - I knew better than this - the dice went after it with a vengeance. I had to flee for my life after only a few minutes.

I don’t remember what I did for a while after that.

I returned for a final session and bought in big. I was just going to play till I got tired. This session went pretty good, a small win which helped me gain back some bankroll after the last two blood-lettings, and I finished up 600+ from wagering all said and done.

A really great trip and I again thank RC for the invite. I sure would happily return to Cherokee NC.

Teddy spoiled us for sure at Ruth’s Chris. Great meal with great company. You would not believe the size of the porterhouse for two that RC and Teddy tore into. This thing was [I bet] over 2 inches thick and if it would equal a good solid 8 or more inches in diameter if round. One of these guys has a hollow leg or something as they did it justice [piggishly I also had a bit]. My own entree, filet mignon, was very good and I think all enjoyed their entrees. It was kind of a loaves and fishes thing to me, as somehow numbers crunching in my head had us going way over with desserts and coffees/cognac/etc. But somehow the rest just convering the tip all fit in fine to the limit. A real highlight for the evening.
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February 28th, 2015 at 10:09:48 AM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

I think RDW just stuck to the Pass bet with odds and did fine. Maybe he can confirm that. All different results.



Yes, I stuck to PL + 3/4/5 odds. I was up $75 before the last shooter started rolling. Wound up down $20 on the session after a $5 tip.

Teddys and I got clobbered pretty well on our first attempt at combining bankrolls, and we didn't quite make it up on attempt number two. So I was a little down for the trip.

I was going to write a trip report for this outing, but my laziness here/busy-ness at work created a situation where I really don't have much at all to add.

The Sleep Inn in Bryson City is dirt cheap during the off-season, and it's a clean, quiet, and comfortable hotel. I'd stay there again. about 10 miles to the casino, but it's all highway driving on 74 and 441. (its' also possible to take 19. That'd be scenic but slow.)

Electronic pai gow poker combines the worst attributes of electronic games and pai gow poker. As much as I like PGP, that game was just unplayable.

It was too easy to get to Cherokee. Easy, all-highway drive. And only a couple choke points to dodge. Not even 3 hours door to door to get from the office to Bryson City. I suppose that means I'll start gambling again.
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March 1st, 2015 at 4:50:33 AM permalink
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It was too easy to get to Cherokee. Easy, all-highway drive. And only a couple choke points to dodge. Not even 3 hours door to door to get from the office to Bryson City. I suppose that means I'll start gambling again.



Yes, you're doomed LOL. I got a little confused about how long it took me, it is about 350 miles to the casino for me and after figuring that out, next thing I knew it became 3:50 hours in my head. On the way back I realized it's around 5 hours and easily could be more if traffic was bad - only 5 because of the speed you can keep up on the interstate. That's just far enough to keep me out of trouble I hope - ha!
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March 1st, 2015 at 8:20:30 PM permalink
Very impressed with the Cherokee property. Harrah's does a lot of things well, and one of those is consistency among their properties. I would put Cherokee on the level of the A.C. resorts for full-service experience: 1,800 rooms, indoor and outdoor pool, fitness center, luxury spa, shops, great selection of restaurants, concert hall. Actually the weakest part of the experience is the casino floor which still has too much of a dark tribal hall bingo atmosphere. Needs more light.
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March 3rd, 2015 at 5:38:45 PM permalink
Cherokee is my usual stomping grounds, as I live in Raleigh. Great place for a quick overnight trip to roll the bones whenever I get the itch. Limits and crowds have only gotten worse there since table games came around a few years ago - although the new properties in North Carolina will probably temper that problem a bit.
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March 3rd, 2015 at 5:42:21 PM permalink
Quote: Jimmer

Cherokee is my usual stomping grounds, as I live in Raleigh. Great place for a quick overnight trip to roll the bones whenever I get the itch. Limits and crowds have only gotten worse there since table games came around a few years ago - although the new properties in North Carolina will probably temper that problem a bit.



I'm betting on this Jimmer. New casino is supposed to go live in August, possibly July. I am betting by November you won't have any problem getting on a $10 craps table on the weekend. The only negative is I'm afraid instead of 11 craps tables, we will find 4 craps tables, and 4 bubble craps machines, so while there will be $10 games, you may not be able to get on the game.
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March 3rd, 2015 at 7:08:36 PM permalink
Quote: Jimmer

Cherokee is my usual stomping grounds, as I live in Raleigh. Great place for a quick overnight trip to roll the bones whenever I get the itch. Limits and crowds have only gotten worse there since table games came around a few years ago - although the new properties in North Carolina will probably temper that problem a bit.




Another option is the Horseshoe Baltimore if you don't mind drive through DC. Similar travel time as Cherokee.

Pros:
New casino, very clean, with 24/7 bar and live entertainment in evening (Non smoking)
Baltimore is actually a very interesting city, with major sports teams
Depending on your total rewards level, chance to get free hotel right on Inner Harbor
I earn highest reward points there (I think they are relatively generous)
$15 tables during day (I have never been there on weekday (Mon-Thursday).. so can't speak to limits then
100X odds (however good luck doing that on a $15-$25 table)

Cons
No hotel in Casino
Fri-Sat... tables rapidly move to $25 as evening comes (no grandfather in)

Not a bad option if you want change of pace from Cherokee(urban vs mountain experience).

Headed there next week for weekdays... I can update with table limits Monday-Thursday after that trip.
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March 4th, 2015 at 12:37:05 PM permalink
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Another option is the Horseshoe Baltimore if you don't mind drive through DC. Similar travel time as Cherokee.



Funny, I have a hard time picturing that it is similar. I'll take your word for it.

even closer for me too will be the new place opening up on the Potomac in 2016

http://www.casinonewsdaily.com/2015/03/02/mgm-casino-resort-maryland-expected-open-2016/

Quote:

Headed there next week for weekdays... I can update with table limits Monday-Thursday after that trip.



please do
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March 4th, 2015 at 5:48:14 PM permalink
Yes I am eagerly awaiting the MGM National Harbor as well. Pretty much expecting to declare bankruptcy in 2016 (I believe July is earliest they can open).

And yes will definitely do an update on weekday craps. As for time to drive from Raleigh. I have driven Horseshoe twice (once took 5.0 hours, other took 6 hours (with snow)), Cherokee took 5 hours. I am a relatively slow driver. The wildcard is DC traffic, if you hit DC traffic add + 1 hour at least.
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March 5th, 2015 at 7:30:58 AM permalink
How do you NOT hit DC traffic?
Last time I took the beltway, it was at 2:00 AM, and I got stuck in a 30 min delay in a bridge work zone. I can't recall exactly, but I think it was 2 of the 5 lanes were blocked, so there were still 3 travel lanes. At 2:00 AM

Only place where I have seen it more insane was in LA. Landed at LAX at 11:00 PM, on the I-5(?) at 12:00 AM, and it was wall to wall cars in five lanes, all doing 70 (55 was the limit), and the motorcycles were making their own lanes between the lanes.
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September 2nd, 2015 at 6:28:17 PM permalink
I'm resurrecting this six-month-old thread for a reason. To this point, the thread has been all about a WoV gathering at Harrah's Cherokee Casino (Cherokee, NC) in February 2015. Some of the discussion touched on the planned 2nd casino on the reservation, which was planned for a Summer 2015 opening. Of course, that was delayed, but the latest info I can find is that they are now predicting a September 28 opening.

So are there any WoV folks interested in a Cherokee "return" meeting, but this time in Murphy, NC? I don't know just how madhouse things will be that last week of September, but we can probably find some reasonably sane time to visit in October. Any takers?

(If anyone feels it would really be better to start a new thread, I suppose I can do that.)

I expect to have some absences from the forum this month due to frivolous travel and a few casino stops, but I'll try to check in occasionally. We expect to visit five Canadian provinces, as well as relatives in New England and NJ. I made a comment in the CCotD thread that I didn't think we would make it to the Atlantic provinces on this trip, but my wife later pointed out (once again) how clueless I am and set me straight on that topic.
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September 2nd, 2015 at 6:36:24 PM permalink
Quote: Doc

I'm resurrecting this six-month-old thread for a reason. To this point, the thread has been all about a WoV gathering at Harrah's Cherokee Casino (Cherokee, NC) in February 2015. Some of the discussion touched on the planned 2nd casino on the reservation, which was planned for a Summer 2015 opening. Of course, that was delayed, but the latest info I can find is that they are now predicting a September 28 opening.

So are there any WoV folks interested in a Cherokee "return" meeting, but this time in Murphy, NC? I don't know just how madhouse things will be that last week of September, but we can probably find some reasonably sane time to visit in October. Any takers?

(If anyone feels it would really be better to start a new thread, I suppose I can do that.)

I expect to have some absences from the forum this month due to frivolous travel and a few casino stops, but I'll try to check in occasionally. We expect to visit five Canadian provinces, as well as relatives in New England and NJ. I made a comment in the CCotD thread that I didn't think we would make it to the Atlantic provinces on this trip, but my wife later pointed out (once again) how clueless I am and set me straight on that topic.



Only comment I have is that that opening's the exact same week as G2E in Vegas, where some of us expect to be. Not sure how much cross-traffic that would be, but it would affect me.
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September 2nd, 2015 at 8:20:26 PM permalink
Well, I'm not a G2E participant, but then I'm also not all that gung-ho for hitting the casino its very first week. I just thought that we might be able to get a group together there before the place gets worn out -- maybe sometime in October or November. As I said, I have travel planned for this month, and I've just started thinking about another possible trip for January, but I have nothing particular in mind to occupy my time/interests in between.
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