Atlantic City Open Forum
I suggest this since what used to be the most popular AC forum site site now contains more "closed topics" than open, & the censorship has reduced the # of daily posts, from dozens to hundreds on a given day, to a handful of posts on boring PC topics.
I suspect there may be quite a few who may prefer to discuss AC without the "nanny" element which led to the demise of that board as a source of objective info.
http://www.thedeal.com/content/restructuring/investor-calls-atlantic-city-paper-toxic.php
Despite the overall plummet in AC revenue, Borgata continues to increase profits and, coincidentally?, maintain the integrity of its loyalty program.
Are we seeing "across the board results" of continued devaluation of AC TR benefits & The delusion that non- gaming customers (aka Revel 1.0) will still flock to AC?:
"AC casinos operating profits down 8.1 percent"
"Caesars Atlantic City was down 28 percent to $26 million;... Harrah's Resort Atlantic City was down nearly 23 percent to $32.8 million.
The Showboat Casino Hotel was down almost 20 percent to $14.5 million;, and Bally's Atlantic City was down 10.7 percent to $17 million."
"The Borgata Hotel Casino & Spa continued to dominate the Atlantic City market, posting an increased operating profit of more than 37 percent, to $47.2 million for the quarter."
How does Borgata continue to succeed in AC with a far less powerful alliance than CET?
link:
AC casinos operating profits down 8.1 percent
http://www.burlingtoncountytimes.com/news/state/nj/ac-casinos-operating-profits-down-percent/article_d469fe03-14d7-57f1-aeca-f17013cdf262.html
Quote: 7star4nowI thought it might be good idea to start an "uncensored" Forum to general exchange info & opinions re AC.
Management here welcomes discussion about Atlantic City. However, the censors will still be around to ensure forum rules are followed.
Quote:How does Borgata continue to succeed in AC with a far less powerful alliance than CET?
Oh, I don't know. Maybe by making its customers feel like they are valued. But who knows.
First and foremost is their rewards program. It has degenerated so much that it's now at the point where the players are left in total confusion and frustration.
I'm a "decent-sized" player, but at CET I get "squat" in rewards points when I play there, especially when compared to the other properties that I frequent.
And don't think that doesn't matter. It does. To some extent, it always does.
And its baloney. Their stinginess in their reward program has degenerated to an absolutely ridiculous level, IMHO.
Quote: WizardManagement here welcomes discussion about Atlantic City. However, the censors will still be around to ensure forum rules are followed.
Wizard, by "censorship" I refer to "thought police" practices which took over what used to be an extremely popular AC board.
If anyone disputes this, I'd say feel free to repost the objective info I posted here , on the other board, & see how many minutes it takes to be deleted.
Quote: gr8playerFirst and foremost is their rewards program. It has degenerated so much that it's now at the point where the players are left in total confusion and frustration.
This is true, and Tropicana has consistently sent me free (midweek) room offers for the last several years, even though I'm not even a green-chip player (except for mini-baccarat and craps odds). They actually send me a decent amount of free slot play ($30 over a weekend) and have a decent amount of dining options. Caesars might have nicer rooms, but I wouldn't know because I'm not going to pay when I can get a room for free.
A great example of TR not making sense is that I played a couple hours of $50+ baccarat at Caesars Palace on a recent trip, and I got match play for the Horseshoe Cincinnati. Rather than give me free play for a casino I've actually visited or that is near me, they sent me play for a casino that is hours away...
But on the positive side, most of us see Revel for what it is and laugh about the future they have created for themselves because their actions toward players.
And yes, UKStages is still a tool and shill for Kevin, still believing Revel will make it as a non smoking casino. Look for him on at Caesars chasing down a security guard because someone lit a cigarette in a non smoking area.
As far as restaurants being open and limited smoking areas go, its no different then any other casino in AC.
The fact they don't have gambling at the bars seems strange and silly to me. They must figure they can make more from expensive drinks then they can from people playing and receiveing comped drinks.
Quote: AxelWolfI love the design, look, and feel of the Revel, I think it's awsome, way better then any casino I have been to. Management seems to be a problem.
As far as restaurants being open and limited smoking areas go, its no different then any other casino in AC.
The fact they don't have gambling at the bars seems strange and silly to me. They must figure they can make more from expensive drinks then they can from people playing and receiveing comped drinks.
Seems to me they're trying to be all things to all people, so they end up pleasing nobody. They have gambling; why not put elegant and fun games in the bar as well? Opportunity lost.
Quote: Dicenor33The best place to play on east coast is Mohegan sun. They constantly improved their games and this is what AC should learn. This is what I will do with Revel. It's too hard to beat craps. It's either tables or dice, but something has to be changed, I would definitely make $5 tables, craps is about action, BJ pit looks busy some players had descent wins, but baccarat looks unimpressive. Sometimes you follow a"lucky" player, with no players around you don't feel comfortable jumping in. No Christmas decorations, closed restaurants. Secret of a success is to make place alive even with few patrons on a floor. The standards are set pretty high, Revel has to do better.
I was at Mohegan Sun for the first time in 15 years this weekend (there is a thread about it) - and the blackjack penetration (in the high limit area) was only about 50-55%. They were cutting off almost half the shoe. To me, that spells trouble.
Quote: BozI still post on the board you talk about and agree a few control it and have posts removed they don't agree with. That board is more for tourists visiting AC and a few locals who have an agenda to promote the town. And yes, they have a shill for Revel as a leader of the board. Here the few of us who visit AC on a regular basis look for the best value for our dollar and for the most part understand the future of AC from an objective point of view. Unless there is consolidation down to 5-6 casinos, the future is not good.
But on the positive side, most of us see Revel for what it is and laugh about the future they have created for themselves because their actions toward players.
And yes, UKStages is still a tool and shill for Kevin, still believing Revel will make it as a non smoking casino. Look for him on at Caesars chasing down a security guard because someone lit a cigarette in a non smoking area.
So we are talking TA or is there another forum?
I have been to AC 4 times in the last year and I only went into Revel 1 time. Small time players like myself feel like that place is too upscale and we can't afford it. At least from a few folks I have talked to feel that way. That may not be what the place is actually like but perception is reality.
Quote: GWAESo we are talking TA or is there another forum?
I have been to AC 4 times in the last year and I only went into Revel 1 time. Small time players like myself feel like that place is too upscale and we can't afford it. At least from a few folks I have talked to feel that way. That may not be what the place is actually like but perception is reality.
Yes TA. I actually am shocked to see what Axel is saying considering how they treated players like him this summer. But I guess he is talking about design and nothing more.
Quote: aceofspadesI was at Mohegan Sun for the first time in 15 years this weekend (there is a thread about it) - and the blackjack penetration (in the high limit area) was only about 50-55%. They were cutting off almost half the shoe. To me, that spells trouble.
The penetration is about 61%, but that should not matter if you are not a card counter. All Blackjack at Mohegan starting at $5 min is 6 deck with late surrender and S17. AC doesn't come close.
Quote: BozI still post on the board you talk about and agree a few control it and have posts removed they don't agree with. That board is more for tourists visiting AC and a few locals who have an agenda to promote the town. And yes, they have a shill for Revel as a leader of the board. Here the few of us who visit AC on a regular basis look for the best value for our dollar and for the most part understand the future of AC from an objective point of view. Unless there is consolidation down to 5-6 casinos, the future is not good.
But on the positive side, most of us see Revel for what it is and laugh about the future they have created for themselves because their actions toward players.
And yes, UKStages is still a tool and shill for Kevin, still believing Revel will make it as a non smoking casino. Look for him on at Caesars chasing down a security guard because someone lit a cigarette in a non smoking area.
I agree with what you for the most part, however , when I read the Vegas board on that site it's "no holds barred" & makes me want to visit Vegas.
When I read the AC board, on the same site, it only motivates one to sing show tunes, take a nap & spend <$5 dining at Johnny Rockets.
Perhaps a disservice to the destination TA attempts to promote on that board?
....LOL
Quote: TankoThe penetration is about 61%, but that should not matter if you are not a card counter. All Blackjack at Mohegan starting at $5 min is 6 deck with late surrender and S17. AC doesn't come close.
How did you calculate the 61% versus the barely over 1/2 shoe penetration I witnessed the entire weekend?
Quote: coachbellymmm....showtunes....and cussingly good shakes at Johnny Rockets.
I like the Strawberry double thick malt.....I am gaining weight just thinking about it.
I would take penetration over rules any day of the week.
And yes, I'm talking about blackjack here ;)
Quote: TomspurI like the Strawberry double thick malt.....I am gaining weight just thinking about it.
I would take penetration over rules any day of the week.
And yes, I'm talking about blackjack here ;)
Yeah, I was wondering...sounded like a food orgy for a minute there.
Quote: beachbumbabsYeah, I was wondering...sounded like a food orgy for a minute there.
Depends on your point of view. I usually have a very "askewed" view of the point I'm trying to make :)
(but don't tell anyone)
YES DESIGN and nothing more. I was there when all that went down and gave some updates, its still a touchy subject with me. I don't blame the Revel, I blame someone else, for creating a panic and alerting the casino. 100s of thousands down the drain. I can only hope some independent company takes it over.Quote: BozYes TA. I actually am shocked to see what Axel is saying considering how they treated players like him this summer. But I guess he is talking about design and nothing more.
Based on my visit (& the reliability of Revel Staff info -for whatever that's worth):
-New high tier lounge took over former Relish location
-new lounge had a bit more hot food selection (carving station)w/top shelf liquor
-Old "Pearl Lounge" to remain open as lower Tier lounge (no hot food- no top shelf liquor)
-weekend hours for both lounges reduced:
-new high tier lounge open for breakfast 11am (formerly 10am), closes at midnite (formerly 4am)
-There will be a new 4th player tier called "Surf" which 1 employee said would be between Ocean & Beach & another said would be above Pearl???
Quote: IbeatyouracesI'll take 75% pen and mediocre rules over 61% and good rules any day of the week.
Assuming one is not a card counter, how is 75% penetration considered preferable to 6 decks, 61% penetration, late surrender and S17?
Quote: 7star4nowRevel news: New Revel Lounge "soft opening" this weekend & new tier coming:
Based on my visit (& the reliability of Revel Staff info -for whatever that's worth):
-New high tier lounge took over former Relish location
-new lounge had a bit more hot food selection (carving station)w/top shelf liquor
-Old "Pearl Lounge" to remain open as lower Tier lounge (no hot food- no top shelf liquor)
-weekend hours for both lounges reduced:
-new high tier lounge open for breakfast 11am (formerly 10am), closes at midnite (formerly 4am)
-There will be a new 4th player tier called "Surf" which 1 employee said would be between Ocean & Beach & another said would be above Pearl???
Pearl status is insanely difficult to obtain ( I heard there are only about 250 total Pearl cardholders ) - why would there need to be a higher level?
Quote: IbeatyouracesYes, a typical player would want shallow pen and great rules. I was answering for me because I count or use other techniques, but I'm not a typical player.
Gr8
Quote: aceofspadesPearl status is insanely difficult to obtain ( I heard there are only about 250 total Pearl cardholders ) - why would there need to be a higher level?
As I said , there was conflicting info re the new tier "Surf" (name sounds more like "platinum" vs being "above Pearl" to me).
However when I was there, I met some Borgata Titanium players a host was recruiting, & it sounded like they're getting a status match.
Whether it will be to Pearl or a new tier I don't know .
The official opening of the new lounge & new tier level was supposed to happen week after Thanksgiving.
Quote: BozOnline gambling started today in NJ and the only casinos not partnered up on it are Revel and the Atlantic Club. That tells you all you need to know why they are failing.
Here's a question, we get why NJ can't take bets from the other 50 states, but why not take bets from the rest of the world?
"In addition to people from more than half the states in America illegally trying to log on to New Jersey Internet gambling websites, technology has detected users in Portugal, Ghana, India and Canada trying to do likewise."
http://nj1015.com/17k-bet-online-in-nj-during-test-run/
A poker pro who was toting $100,000 after a big win in Atlantic City escaped with his cash from two harrowing robbery attempts while trying to catch a flight out of Kennedy Airport.
http://nypost.com/2013/11/30/atlantic-city-poker-pro-escapes-from-two-airport-robberies/
Quote: 7star4nowWhoa ! this some story- not sure I buy it:
A poker pro who was toting $100,000 after a big win in Atlantic City escaped with his cash from two harrowing robbery attempts while trying to catch a flight out of Kennedy Airport.
http://nypost.com/2013/11/30/atlantic-city-poker-pro-escapes-from-two-airport-robberies/
Well, now we know what the next Law and Order is going to be about.
Re: Is Atlantic City worth a visit?
Nov 30, 2013, 7:04 PM
"No real data" ok try this link and see who made #7
http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/neighborhoods/crime-rates/top100dangerous/
Quote: 7star4nowinteresting post preserved from another AC board- prior to deletion
Re: Is Atlantic City worth a visit?
Nov 30, 2013, 7:04 PM
"No real data" ok try this link and see who made #7
http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/neighborhoods/crime-rates/top100dangerous/
I'm absolutely shocked LV didn't make this list.....but on the other hand I'm pretty relieved too I guess :)
I've said before that Flint is like a demilitarized
zone, street after street of houses with bars on
the all the windows and doors, even the basement
windows. I mean every house on every street,
block after block. And nobody outside in their
yards. It's a really frightening place.
Quote: EvenBob4 MI cities are in the top 10, all over by Detroit.
I've said before that Flint is like a demilitarized
zone, street after street of houses with bars on
the all the windows and doors, even the basement
windows. I mean every house on every street,
block after block. And nobody outside in their
yards. It's a really frightening place.
Sounds like where I grew up :)
We've shared at length here about what a wasted opportunity gambling has been for AC, and by extension all of New Jersey and the Jersey shore area. But there are still some bright spots. The thing you can't ignore is that a few of the casinos are really good places to play. In my opinion, Borgata, Harrah's, and Revel as self contained units deliver, with good games, good staff, and good restaurants.
What AC doesn't have are the shows and the culinary expertise that round out the Las Vegas experience. There are some excellent restaurants, but nothing like the dizzying choice available in LV. Same with shows: on any day there might be a good show, but you don't have 3 internet pages of choices, so you might have trouble getting tickets. Donna Summer will play one night, not 3 months like she might were she to have a show in Vegas.
Having just come from Las Vegas, I really can't say I thought The Strip was safer than The Boardwalk. There was a murder when we were there, there was at least one street fight (in front of The Bellagio). I feel safer on The Boardwalk, actually, because it's self-contained. No way would I venture a block off the tourist area in either city.
Summing it up, we will drive 3 hours to go to AC and stay 2 nights if we want to gamble, but we'll fly 5 hours to Las Vegas and stay 5 days in order to have a stone cold blast. AC I don't think has much to say about that. There's no real reason to stay 5 nights in AC.
The problem then is that half of the boardwalk is a dead zone...not great for attracting tourists, I suppose.
*I don't actually know how many casinos are in Atlantic City.
Quote: AcesAndEightsHow long can the N* casinos in AC remain open, each bleeding money? It seems like the only course of action is to close about half of them, either proactively or when the owners finally realize they aren't going to make money, and then let the remaining casinos consolidate the gambling market. Maybe then they can turn a profit from the casino floor.
The problem then is that half of the boardwalk is a dead zone...not great for attracting tourists, I suppose.
*I don't actually know how many casinos are in Atlantic City.
Each casino owner is going to point at the other and tell them to close their doors. If closing casinos will be a winning proposition for the ones that remain open...none of them will wish to close (a la the 'prisoners dilemma')
The rumors around AC I have heard are that CET is going to get rid of Showboat and make a move to buy Revel.
-from a google news abstract :
"Man claims he was shot and robbed at traffic light in Atlantic City
Charlie Hvasta, 30, of North Bergen, told police he was stopped at a light at 11:16 p.m., when a man opened his unlocked car door, and demanded money, Sgt. Monica McMenamin said. Hvasta -- who had just left the Borgata and was on his way to another casino...
Quote: 7star4nowWhoa ! this is some story- not sure I buy it:
A poker pro who was toting $100,000 after a big win in Atlantic City escaped with his cash from two harrowing robbery attempts while trying to catch a flight out of Kennedy Airport.
http://nypost.com/2013/11/30/atlantic-city-poker-pro-escapes-from-two-airport-robberies/
Quote: 7star4nowinteresting post preserved from another AC board- prior to deletion
Re: Is Atlantic City worth a visit?
Nov 30, 2013, 7:04 PM
"No real data" ok try this link and see who made #7
http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/neighborhoods/crime-rates/top100dangerous/
You know that Kennedy is in Queens, right?
