steeldco
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March 11th, 2017 at 11:15:03 AM permalink
beachbumbabs, am I way out in left field to think that Trumpy is showing signs of some alzheimers?
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March 11th, 2017 at 11:25:19 AM permalink
Quote: Tanko

"We're gonna put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business." - Hillary

Imagine being a worker in the coal industry, trying to provide for your family and hearing that.



She said in that same speech, though, that she wanted to help those exact same people get jobs in the renewable energy industry.
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March 11th, 2017 at 12:15:36 PM permalink
Quote: tanko



"We're gonna put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business." - Hillary

Imagine being a worker in the coal industry, trying to provide for your family and hearing that.



"We're gonna put a lot of lamplighters and candle makers out of business." - Thomas

"We're gonna put a lot of horses and buggy makers out of business." - Henry

Etc.

As astutely noted above, this sentence, taken out of the context of her speech, which was brutal honesty while offering retraining and assistance in the dusk of a dying industry, is at best misleading on its intent.

It's been obvious for several decades that coal is declining as green technology develops, that it's dangerous for the workers, that it's bad for the environment from greenhouse gasses to tailings polluting waterways.

When you punish politicians for telling the truth about a problem (the first step towards real solutions) well...then you get liars like Trump instead, or even Hillary lying more than she otherwise might.

Quote: steeldco

... alzheimers..?



I think (since you asked), with only my m-i-l to go on (met her when she was stage 3, she died 5 years later), it's at least possible; there are some similarities. But I think it's maybe more a deterioration of a basic tendency towards slyness, egomania, and narcissism that's always been present. Or more public exposure than there's ever been of how he has always conducted himself. He's been lying or spinning or deflecting stuff for decades, usually socially, but also in business dealings that have come to light.

There's tape 20-30 years old somewhere about him bragging on suckering an investor on something. I can't remember the exact details, but the situation was that he was broke or overextended on something he was building here in the US. He took his pigeon to lunch at a place overlooking the work site. And, for that day only, he hired a fleet of bulldozers and heavy equipment to come and push dirt around so it looked like a going concern and fit his narrative. And the guy bought it.

Some folks think that's admirable, or all's fair in business"To me, that's the epitome of how Trump operates: smoke and mirrors, lies and exaggeration, deflection and cheating. No different from how he's trying to run the country. Possibly exacerbated by mental illness. But many decades of mostly getting away with it.
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March 11th, 2017 at 12:53:47 PM permalink
Just something to consider.

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Our brains are particularly ill-equipped to deal with lies when they come not singly but in a constant stream, and Trump, we know, lies constantly, about matters as serious as the election results and as trivial as the tiles at Mar-a-Lago. (According to his butler, Anthony Senecal, Trump once said the tiles in a nursery at the West Palm Beach club had been made by Walt Disney himself; when Senecal protested, Trump had a single response: “Who cares?”)

When we are overwhelmed with false, or potentially false, statements, our brains pretty quickly become so overworked that we stop trying to sift through everything. It’s called cognitive load—our limited cognitive resources are overburdened. It doesn’t matter how implausible the statements are; throw out enough of them, and people will inevitably absorb some. Eventually, without quite realizing it, our brains just give up trying to figure out what is true.



http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/01/donald-trump-lies-liar-effect-brain-214658
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March 11th, 2017 at 1:53:52 PM permalink
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For example, what is it, a week now, wall to wall coverage of Trump tweeting his lies about being wiretapped, trying to deflect the story about his Russian connections, including Flynn, Manafort, and a couple other guys?



The media is absolutely right to put a huge emphasis on that. One of two things must be the case:

1. Trump is right and Obama is guilty of worse abuses of power than Nixon.
2. Trump is mentally unstable and not capable of distinguishing realty from the alt-right spin he listens to.

Either of these things should be extremely troubling. It should get as much attention as the Watergate story did. The only down side is that it does distract from the alleged Russian connections to the Trump campaign, which is also important, but as I understand it, we're still in the fact finding stage of that. We may as well focus on the wiretapping story while its hot.
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March 11th, 2017 at 2:14:49 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

For example, what is it, a week now, wall to wall coverage of Trump tweeting his lies about being wiretapped, trying to deflect the story about his Russian connections, including Flynn, Manafort, and a couple other guys?



Sounds like that's all settled.
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March 11th, 2017 at 5:15:22 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

The media is absolutely right to put a huge emphasis on that. One of two things must be the case:

1. Trump is right and Obama is guilty of worse abuses of power than Nixon.
2. Trump is mentally unstable and not capable of distinguishing realty from the alt-right spin he listens to.

Either of these things should be extremely troubling. It should get as much attention as the Watergate story did. The only down side is that it does distract from the alleged Russian connections to the Trump campaign, which is also important, but as I understand it, we're still in the fact finding stage of that. We may as well focus on the wiretapping story while its hot.



Also buried is the investigation into massive voter fraud, with millions and millions of illegal votes allegedly cast. It doesn't look like Pence has made any progress at all at even starting to organize an investigation.
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March 11th, 2017 at 5:46:01 PM permalink
So, how does Trump know that his building was wiretapped? Because it must have been! How the flip else would they have found out about the Russian meetings? Trump probably can't prove it, but he knows what was done. It takes a thief to catch the thief...so there is no pooling the wool over Trump's eyes.

And as far as the Dems constantly talking about the Russians interfering with our election... all they did was arm us with knowledge regarding the truth about Hillary and how corrupt she is. The American voters were just better informed to make their decision. They didn't tamper with the votes.

Both candidates sucked in my opinion.. but Trump was the only alternative to Hillary.
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March 11th, 2017 at 7:23:00 PM permalink
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So, how does Trump know that his building was wiretapped? Because it must have been! How the flip else would they have found out about the Russian meetings? Trump probably can't prove it, but he knows what was done. It takes a thief to catch the thief...so there is no pooling the wool over Trump's eyes.



Have you considered the possibility that someone, such as the CIA, had the Russians tapped, rather than Obama having Trump tapped, and that is how they found out about the meetings?
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March 12th, 2017 at 4:27:29 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

"We're gonna put a lot of lamplighters and candle makers out of business." - Thomas

"We're gonna put a lot of horses and buggy makers out of business." - Henry



Edison and Ford were business owners talking about putting their competitors out of business. They were not running for the presidency.

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It's been obvious for several decades that coal is declining as green technology develops, that it's dangerous for the workers, that it's bad for the environment from greenhouse gasses to tailings polluting waterways.



Market forces have been pushing that decline in an orderly way over the decades, giving local economies, workers, associated businesses and States, time to prepare and adjust to the changes.

Hastening that process as Hillary intended to do, eliminates the time advantage and creates problems where none would have existed.

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