Rigondeaux
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July 6th, 2017 at 7:48:22 AM permalink
What is the solution voters don't want?

What's different in NYC?
MrV
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July 6th, 2017 at 8:09:38 AM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

What is the solution voters don't want?

What's different in NYC?




They substitute saltpeter for fluoride in the NYC water?
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Ibeatyouraces
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July 6th, 2017 at 8:42:44 AM permalink
Quote: MrV

They substitute saltpeter for fluoride in the NYC water?


Is that why they talk funny?
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boymimbo
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July 6th, 2017 at 8:53:40 AM permalink
As a Canadian, both New Yaurkers and Chi-cagoans both speak funny, eh? What's that aboot?
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GWAE
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July 6th, 2017 at 9:45:13 AM permalink
Quote: Tanko

Final Tally: More Than 100 Shot

There is a solution for Chicago, but the voters donít want it.

Meanwhile, once again, the crime rate in NYC is headed for another record low. Same demographics. Better leaders.


Year to Date:

Murder down 21.6%

Rape down 4.8%

Felony assault down 3%

Robbery down 10.4%

Shootings down 15.8%

Shooting victims down 16.7%

Total crimes down 5.8%



I assume you are referring to their very strict hand gun laws?
SanchoPanza
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July 6th, 2017 at 9:53:12 AM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

Focus, folks on things that are important (not that Obama did anything). Trump did say that he knew people that could solve Chicago's violent crime problem "in a week".

Uhhh, the headline on that cite makes it inexcusably clear that an important condition was specified: "Trump suggests Chicago could solve crime problem 'in a week' if cops got tougher."
boymimbo
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July 6th, 2017 at 10:13:22 AM permalink
Handgun laws I think do not curb violence but keep guns out of law-abiding citizen's hands and reduces deaths through crimes of passion and accidental deaths. When it comes to gang violence however, obviously it is easy to get guns and you are already a criminal when you use it. The solution is for the police to solve the gang violence and gentrify the city. The crime numbers are alarming on the West Side (North Lawndale, West and East Garfield Park) and the South Side (Fuller Park, Washington Park, Englewood, Greater Grand Crossing. Yet while there is an uptick on violent crime last year and this year, it is down overall over the years.



Source: Chicago tribune

The purple line is the line that you want to pay attention to and represents violent crime in the city. Violent crime was down roughly 50% since 2001 and looks like it has an upswing last year and is looking like it will do it again this year.

Crime is down in NYC because the city continues to get more wealthy and gentrified and the subway service is there to make commuting practical. Chicago does not have that kind of wealth that New York does and people choose to live in safe suburbs rather than in crime-riddled neighborhoods.

Is that an argument for not having handgun laws. Would everyone owning a gun in Chicago reduce crime? I don't think so.
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boymimbo
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July 6th, 2017 at 10:29:40 AM permalink
Quote: SanchoPanza

Uhhh, the headline on that cite makes it inexcusably clear that an important condition was specified: "Trump suggests Chicago could solve crime problem 'in a week' if cops got tougher."


Yes, exactly. Trump did promise this however.

Quote: Donald Trump, Republican National Convention, Acceptance Speech


"The crime and violence that today afflicts our nation will soon, and I mean very soon, come to an end. Beginning on January 20, of 2017, safety will be restored."


And repeated in his inaugural address:

Quote: the big Nacho


But for too many of our citizens, a different reality exists: Mothers and children trapped in poverty in our inner cities; rusted-out factories scattered like tombstones across the landscape of our nation; an education system, flush with cash, but which leaves our young and beautiful students deprived of knowledge; and the crime and gangs and drugs that have stolen too many lives and robbed our country of so much unrealized potential.

This American carnage stops right here and stops right now.


This is all on Trump to stop. He made the promise. He is responsible for delivering. Just as you right-winged folks jumped on Obama's every act and golf trip, Trump is deserving of the same scrutiny. No excuses.
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SanchoPanza
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July 6th, 2017 at 11:19:20 AM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

Yes, exactly. Trump did promise this however. And repeated in his inaugural address:
This is all on Trump to stop. He made the promise. He is responsible for delivering. Just as you right-winged folks jumped on Obama's every act and golf trip, Trump is deserving of the same scrutiny. No excuses.

The president is not responsible for the actions or lack thereof of the Chicago police force.
boymimbo
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July 6th, 2017 at 2:01:03 PM permalink
He said what he said. If he made a promise based out of stupidity, then he should admit that he can't do that. He made a promise to attempt to get votes. You should expect him to deliver. He said he would.
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