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November 20th, 2016 at 10:34:55 AM permalink
Like it or not, the 2016 election is over and a President-elect is in place. In a very short while the competition for 2020 will begin; perhaps it has begun already.

The Democrats suddenly have become the party needing to reinvent themselves and move on to the next generation of candidates. The Republicans have a President-elect who is not exactly a lifelong Republican...disarray may be just steps away for them.

Interestingly, the election in 2016 became about older candidates, rather than the relatively young Presidents (compared to Reagan, Bush I, and Trump) elected in the last six elections...

Clinton was 46, Bush II was 54, and Obama was 47. Clinton and Bush II are the both 70 and younger than the current President-elect. Both of them are long gone from office.

The next election may have at least one older candidate (should the President-elect run for a second term) but it seems like at least one of the candidates that makes it to the general election will be younger.

Let the discussion begin...
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November 20th, 2016 at 10:40:01 AM permalink
Oh Jesus....
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November 20th, 2016 at 10:44:26 AM permalink
Quote: ams288

Oh Jesus....



After this last election, he's now refusing to come back.
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November 20th, 2016 at 10:45:53 AM permalink
Actually, this is a fine thread to also talk about midterms.
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November 20th, 2016 at 11:24:54 AM permalink
#Trump2020
#Trump2024
#Trump2028
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November 20th, 2016 at 12:01:48 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

Actually, this is a fine thread to also talk about midterms.



Yes, that is also a great part of the discussion of the future. Some of Trump's picks for his cabinet and other positions may open up seats that were not up for election in 2014.
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November 20th, 2016 at 1:40:09 PM permalink
Quote: RonC

Like it or not, the 2016 election is over and a President-elect is in place. In a very short while the competition for 2020 will begin;



You anticipate another contested election? Has history taught us nothing?

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November 20th, 2016 at 2:04:13 PM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

You anticipate another contested election? Has history taught us nothing?

$:o)



It has. There are tens of millions of us who will not look the other way when unacceptable and un-American events, policies, or proposals happen. We learned this at the expense of "good" Germans 5 generations ago.

People are openly wearing KKK colors (insignia jackets and t's) and Confederate flags down here now. People of color are being cursed out with racial epithets just standing in line, stopped beside a deplorable at a stoplight, or going about their daily business. Nazi graffiti is showing up on schools, churches, and other buildings. But these things are not going unnoticed. They're being met with scorn and anger of our own.

Trump is blowing his chance. He must take issue with his supporters doing these things in his name, of which there are more than 700 serious enough to require police investigation or intervention, and many thousands more being reported in social media groups, as of today. Instead, he's going the other way with his nonsense and misguided tweets calling out Hamilton for a non offensive statement. Not what needs to happen to unify this country.
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November 20th, 2016 at 2:48:33 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

It has. There are tens of millions of us who will not look the other way when unacceptable and un-American events, policies, or proposals happen. We learned this at the expense of "good" Germans 5 generations ago.



Why do Liberals invoke Hitler all the time?

"Hindenburg, who owed his election to the support of the Social Democrats, took office with little enthusiasm. On May 29 he dismissed his intercessor Chancellor Brüning and appointed Franz von Papen, a declared anti-democrat, his successor. Although Hitler lost the presidential election of 1932, he achieved his goals, when he was appointed chancellor on 30 January 1933. On February 27, Hindenburg paved the way to dictatorship and war by issuing the Reichstag Fire Decree which nullified civil liberties. Hitler succeeded Hindenburg as head of state upon his death in 1934, whereafter he abolished the office entirely, and replaced it with the new position of Führer und Reichskanzler ("Leader and Reich Chancellor"), cementing his rule.

The 1932 election was the second of only two direct presidential elections of the Weimar period. When after World War II the modern office of German Federal President was established in 1949, following the restoration of democracy in West Germany, it was decided that the president would be chosen indirectly by means of a Federal Convention consisting of parliamentarians and state delegates. To date, therefore, the 1932 election was the last occasion on which a direct presidential election has occurred in Germany."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_presidential_election,_1932

Hitler did happen. Hitler should never happen again. The problem is that the Germans allowed it to happen. If anything close to that happened, it would be stopped by the use of our Constitution. I don't think anyone could get away with suspending the Constitution. That is why the idiots that said Obama was going to do so did not bother me in the least. It won't happen. Heck, we decided four terms was too may for a President and put a limit on that. Adding hyperbole of this type does nothing to fix the problems and even makes it easier to ignore in some ways.

Make no mistake--we should not accept racism from anyone. Anyone.

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People are openly wearing KKK colors (insignia jackets and t's) and Confederate flags down here now. People of color are being cursed out with racial epithets just standing in line, stopped beside a deplorable at a stoplight, or going about their daily business. Nazi graffiti is showing up on schools, churches, and other buildings. But these things are not going unnoticed. They're being met with scorn and anger of our own.



Florida has consistently had incidents of racism. It is not a great place for race relations in any way. I grew up there and there was a lot of racism no matter who the President was. I do believe that there is an uptick in incidents since the election and that is sad. I hope it stops completely, the sooner, the better.. The SPLC charts do show a rapid fall off; it cannot be rapid enough.

I don't remember a single trip in my life time through Florida without seeing more than a few Confederate flags. None.

The SPLC numbers can legitimately be questioned because I could self-report something that never happened...but that does not make any legitimate incident excusable in any way.

Quote: beachbumbabs

Trump is blowing his chance. He must take issue with his supporters doing these things in his name, of which there are more than 700 serious enough to require police investigation or intervention, and many thousands more being reported in social media groups, as of today. Instead, he's going the other way with his nonsense and misguided tweets calling out Hamilton for a non offensive statement. Not what needs to happen to unify this country.



Perhaps, but I doubt that his chance is blown yet. That is more wishful thinking than truth.

I do agree he should call out those bad actors...and he can blow his chance at some point if he does not...
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November 20th, 2016 at 2:51:53 PM permalink
Will this be the official thread to discuss "stupid things President Trump does/says/tweets?"
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November 20th, 2016 at 3:15:47 PM permalink
If somebody doesn't use "A 2020 Vision" as their campaign slogan, I will be very disappoint.
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November 20th, 2016 at 4:33:23 PM permalink
Quote: ams288

Will this be the official thread to discuss "stupid things President Trump does/says/tweets?"



Those probably will come up, but right now there is a tweet thread already.

1200 or so pages can cover a lot of ground...anything that relates to 2020 seems to be fair game to me...
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November 20th, 2016 at 4:48:55 PM permalink
I think it'd be fun to do a poll or something trying to predict who the Dem nominee will be in 2020.

Cause I don't have a clue, to be honest.

Bernie? Elizabeth Warren? Both seem a little too old...

Cory Booker? He'd be a good choice, but he's single and that could be a big deal for some reason...

Andrew Cuomo?

Kamala Harris?

I have no idea...
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November 20th, 2016 at 4:49:00 PM permalink
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Not what needs to happen to unify this country.



Unification is boring.

Division is interesting.

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November 20th, 2016 at 6:56:52 PM permalink
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Old Chinese curse: "May you live in interesting times."



I predict Trump properties, business investments, especially in other parts of the world will become terrorist targets.

I wouldn't be surprised if he tries to figure out a way for the US to pay for the cost when his insurers wise up and ditch him.
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November 20th, 2016 at 8:41:42 PM permalink
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I predict Trump properties, business investments, especially in other parts of the world will become terrorist targets.

I wouldn't be surprised if he tries to figure out a way for the US to pay for the cost when his insurers wise up and ditch him.



He'll just write it off and the US Treasury will pay for it in lost tax collection. Just like we're paying for his 25M settlement. What a joke.
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November 21st, 2016 at 7:30:52 AM permalink
I will be the first to predict President Cuomo in 2020, unless he gets caught up in the scandal called "Buffalo Billion", in which a billion NYState tax dolars was used to stimulate business up here. Allegedly if you are a friend of the Dems you got contracts and if you weren't you didn't. There have been indictments. As of now Cuomo's friends are all in trouble but Cuomo not directly implicated, kind of like Christie not being named in the Bridgegate scandal.

Anyway, Cuomo, a liberal Democrat, in NY has to work with a heavily Democrat Assembly and barely Republican Senate. He will point to his ability to get things done while needing to compromise with the NYS Senate, while still generally forwarding a Progressive agenda that the Assembly wants. His crown jewel has been his unilateral crushing of the big civil service unions, making it much harder for civil servants to get fat pensions, and requiring way more contributions from the workers to get them. (Thankfully this fat cat is grandfathered into the old 'milk the state dry' system....) He also has gotten a budget passed on time, most if not all, of his years as governor. Before him there would usually be months of no budget agreement.

He is way to far left for me, but I can see him appealing to the Dems, and the country as well. If the economy is not doing well under DJT, I can easily see president Cuomo in 2020.
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November 21st, 2016 at 7:51:42 AM permalink
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He'll just write it off and the US Treasury will pay for it in lost tax collection. Just like we're paying for his 25M settlement. What a joke.



So following our tax code is a joke? It isn't like he wrote the thing--this is the same treatment every single person or corporation in his position would get, correct? If his businesses take a loss, he can deduct it.

We aren't paying for his settlement...he will take a deduction of the settlement as allowed by the tax code.

Sometimes it seems if you think he is just making these tax rules up as he goes...
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November 21st, 2016 at 11:58:02 AM permalink
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Vote Democrat in 2020 already, and shut up.
Because the sneering snots and pompous creeps know what's best for you.


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Deplore more in '20. And stay drunk. Hugely.

Suck dope, watch TV, make up stuff, be somebody on the internet.
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November 21st, 2016 at 2:27:05 PM permalink
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Quote: RETRUMPCC (Re-Trump Campaign Committee)
Deplore more in '20. And stay drunk. Hugely.

Nevermind



What, CREEP wasn't good enough for you? (Committee to RE-Elect the President )

A classic.
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November 21st, 2016 at 2:32:22 PM permalink
Quote: RonC

So following our tax code is a joke? It isn't like he wrote the thing--this is the same treatment every single person or corporation in his position would get, correct? If his businesses take a loss, he can deduct it.

We aren't paying for his settlement...he will take a deduction of the settlement as allowed by the tax code.

Sometimes it seems if you think he is just making these tax rules up as he goes...



It's a joke that they're reporting this as if he's paying a dime. He's not. Every penny will be deducted as losses against revenue, as if fraud should be a legitimate business expense. He didn't admit any wrongdoing. There was no trial. So in the final accounting, it will be money that should have come to the US Treasury being passed to a bunch of lawyers and credulous fools instead. Disgusting.
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November 21st, 2016 at 2:33:27 PM permalink
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President Cuomo in 2020



This is like the third time. Stop this immediately. I'm on enough watchlists as it is.

Seriously, you're giving me an anxiety issue.
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November 21st, 2016 at 2:52:11 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

It's a joke that they're reporting this as if he's paying a dime. He's not. Every penny will be deducted as losses against revenue, as if fraud should be a legitimate business expense. He didn't admit any wrongdoing. There was no trial. So in the final accounting, it will be money that should have come to the US Treasury being passed to a bunch of lawyers and credulous fools instead. Disgusting.



What?

He or his organization will have to pay the $25 million to someone as required by the agreement. if it isn't paid, the settlement can probably be abandoned and this could head back to court.

They will deduct the costs of the lawsuit as losses against there revenue; following laws that were in place long before today.

Settlements often make no statement one way or the other about wrongdoing; they are settling, not being found liable for anything by a judge and/or jury. again, following laws made long before today. Settlements can be made for convenience (less cost or hassle) or to avoid admitting wrongdoing. That's the way it works; not just for Trump but for EVERYONE based on the law.

The Treasury will not collect taxes on the $25 million in lost revenue because that is a longstanding law.

The settlement is being paid to the people who settled with Trump; the Treasury gets no share. Again, long settled laws govern this. I guess you don't want the people that say they were defrauded to get anything; you just seem to want the government to get it all.

Do you feel this way about EVERY settled lawsuit or just this one?
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November 21st, 2016 at 2:53:47 PM permalink
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This is like the third time. Stop this immediately. I'm on enough watchlists as it is.

Seriously, you're giving me an anxiety issue.



That guy must really scare you. If he scares you, he scares me!!
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November 21st, 2016 at 4:01:34 PM permalink
Quote: RonC

What?

He or his organization will have to pay the $25 million to someone as required by the agreement. if it isn't paid, the settlement can probably be abandoned and this could head back to court.

They will deduct the costs of the lawsuit as losses against there revenue; following laws that were in place long before today.

Settlements often make no statement one way or the other about wrongdoing; they are settling, not being found liable for anything by a judge and/or jury. again, following laws made long before today. Settlements can be made for convenience (less cost or hassle) or to avoid admitting wrongdoing. That's the way it works; not just for Trump but for EVERYONE based on the law.

The Treasury will not collect taxes on the $25 million in lost revenue because that is a longstanding law.

The settlement is being paid to the people who settled with Trump; the Treasury gets no share. Again, long settled laws govern this. I guess you don't want the people that say they were defrauded to get anything; you just seem to want the government to get it all.

Do you feel this way about EVERY settled lawsuit or just this one?



Thanks for mansplaining away my point, Ron. You know better than most that I'm correct, but God forbid anyone should see clearly the actual situation and consequences.
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November 21st, 2016 at 4:10:37 PM permalink
My thoughts were the same as RonC.

If he can legally deduct the settlement loss on your taxes, and you don't agree with it -- your issue is with the law, not the person making the legal deduction.
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November 21st, 2016 at 4:58:13 PM permalink
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That guy must really scare you. If he scares you, he scares me!!



Have you never heard me reference "Supreme Leader"? Supreme Leader = this piece of s#$%. Empire State indeed, though he took the whole "empire" thing way too goddamn literal.

This pile of refuse was the one who jammed in the SAFEAct and made me a felon. And while even the gunners are sick of hearing me bitch about guns, if SOOPOO is anywhere near on the mark with this, you need to f#$%ing pay attention. Let's first cover the SAFEAct and compare it to our other state's interpretation of the 2nd. This gem contains such wonderfully progressive ideas such as...

The ban of sales of all civilian spec military rifles. This includes but isn't even close to limited to your AR-15, AK-47, Heckler and Kock G3, just about every FN-FAL, and on and on. I'm not talking mil-spec, select fire jobs. I'm talking your regular ol' country boy plinker you, RonC, could pick up at your local 5 and Dime right now. All gone for us.

The ban of all "ammo feeding devices" capable of holding more than 7 rounds. You heard that right. SEVEN. And WITH NO GRANDFATHER CLAUSE. Your factory spec Glock? Illegal, the lot of them. My f#$%ing Viper .22? Illegal. My AMT .22mag? Illegal. Every goddamn gun I have that isn't a boomstick, smokepole, or wheel gun are all ILLEGAL. Every damn one of them. The ONLY exception are for tubular rimfire, such as in a Marlin .22, though those may still only be loaded with seven and not the 10 they're f#$%ing made for. This particular rule was struck down as "unconsitutional" as well as "arbitrary and capricious", though they left us at our "old" limit of 10, as if that's not also arbitrary and capricious.

A "1,000' diameter gun free zone" around the political elite, such as governors, senators, and the like. Now, read that again, and for comprehension. I did not say "around the capitol", I did not say "around the courts", I said "AROUND THE POLITICAL ELITES THEMSELVES". In other words, a completely unknowable and perpetually moving zone of 1,000' where if you are seen with a gun, you are charged with a class E or D FELONY. This was struck down, but do not breathe a sigh of relief. It was actually law for a hot minute, and this is the type of legislation this f#$%stick puts his name behind.

A total no-exception gun free school policy that was so goddamn stringent and so shortsighted there was NO, ZERO, NADA exception for any branch of any law enforcement. That's right, folks. Our police, should they have had to attend the school for a safety concern would have commited a felony for toting a firearm onto property even while in the course of their lawful duty. No, I am not making this up, and no, I am not sensationalizing something small into ZOMG. This was actually law for a hot minute, before the courts interceded. And yes, it had his name all over it.

This is the man who screamed "YOU DON'T NEED 10 ROUNDS TO KILL A DEER!!1!", as if the Bill of Rights included clauses to protect our Nation's right to get drunk and sleep in the woods in winter. Complete and utter ignorance of our Constitution and what it stands for.

Background checks for EVERY SINGLE AMMO PURCHASE, all of which can ONLY be made between a patron and an FFL holding dealer. No more trunk sales, no more basement reloads, a lot more departmental costs to keep track of towers of unused and unneeded paperwork.

The ban of ALL private transfers. You can no longer relieve yourself of your own property without including .gov in on the deal

The registration of ALL rifles every 5 years, at a cost some 7 times greater than the one-time charge for registering a handgun. And if you think just the act of REGISTERING is bad, this is actually the compromise. Cuomo PUBLICLY STATED his intention was the confiscation of all these rifles from some 7mm gun owning NY'ers, but, somehow, he managed to pull his head out of his ass for this one. Instead, these registrations must be done every 5 until the owners death, at which point they need either be sold out of state or become the property of the People's Republic. That's right, I am not "entitled" to the family cache. When Pops reaches the clearing at the end of his path, his guns become .govs. Yeah, lol. The f#$% they will. Molon labe, motherf#$%ers.

As if we haven't gotten ridiculous yet, ANY nurse or doctor now has the power to simply deem you "unfit" for weapons possession. Yes, folks, it really is as simple as that. I know of at least one man who went to the doc because he was "feeling down". He got a script for Xanex and lost ALL of his weapons, Just Like That. Ye olde SAFEAct even has provisions inside expressly shielding these med workers from any and all civil liability. SOOPOO could call Tim Howard right now and my guns would be being removed from my home before this post cools, it's that insane. So a guy like me, who is not only going through the worst depression of his life AND has not stopped seeing stuff that isn't there since my last shot to the head, is rendered unable to seek medical care for fear of losing my ability to protect myself and my family, the loss of priceless family heirlooms, and at least five figures worth of gear. Are you hearing me? My dog scared the shit out of me twice last week; I ain't had a dog in 19 years. Maybe it's nothing, maybe it's a brain bleed and I'll be dead by Xmas, but I'll never know, CAN'T know, because to seek help means to be made a target.

Scared yet? No? Good. Because I ain't even got to the bad part yet. And EVERYONE needs to put on their thinking caps, nice and tight...

All of this and more was scrabbled into a 39pg document. Not bad, considering it's .gov. The real "let's kill this mf'er" part is that is was given to legislators for examination and deliberation at 1:45AM, to be voted on at 200AM the SAME NIGHT! FIFTEEN F$%^ING MINUTES! AND!, this greasy son of a bitch waived NY's MANDATORY 3 day waiting period, a waiting period that is there to allow PUBLIC DELIBERATION (you know, letting US know and examine and decide), just so he could force home his handiwork unopposed and without question.

I do not care if you're left of terapined who thinks ALL guns should be banned. This ain't a gun thing. This is a goddamned Diet Dictator, and whether the results were along your personal lines or not, you should be shocked and OUTRAGED that a POS like this is allowed to even walk the streets free, let alone rule over one of if not the most powerful states in the union.

So scared? You're damn right I'm scared. I don't even have so much as a petty theft on my record. Ain't never thieved or vandalized or threatened; other than a problem with driving too fast, me and the law ain't never had a cross word to say to each other. Suddenly, with the stroke of one asshole's pen, I am perpetually one traffic stop or house call away from doing 20+ years. And now you wanna talk of making this guy El Jefe?

No.
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November 21st, 2016 at 4:59:07 PM permalink
Quote: RS

My thoughts were the same as RonC.

If he can legally deduct the settlement loss on your taxes, and you don't agree with it -- your issue is with the law, not the person making the legal deduction.



Again, my issue is reporting that he paid any money or made any kind of restitution. He won't lose any money - he passes the loss thru to taxes. He made no restitution. He kept what they paid, and writes off what this settlement paid them back. Which means we paid for it, not him.

It's like how he wants to pay for the wall and claim Mexico pays for it. Mexico receives foreign aid. He wanted, at least proposed during the campaign, that instead of sending that money to Mexico, it should be confiscated to pay for the wall he wants. Who would pay for that wall? We would. Not Mexico. Not Trump. Us. It's a stupid idea in the first place, it's a dishonest way to claim they were paying for it, and it ends up being paid for by the US taxpayer. Not ok.

No wonder he refuses to release his tax returns. Considering what dishonest stuff they've found just scratching around the edges, the real deal would kill the public.
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November 21st, 2016 at 5:34:56 PM permalink
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Again, my issue is reporting that he paid any money or made any kind of restitution. He won't lose any money - he passes the loss thru to taxes. He made no restitution. He kept what they paid, and writes off what this settlement paid them back. Which means we paid for it, not him.

It's like how he wants to pay for the wall and claim Mexico pays for it. Mexico receives foreign aid. He wanted, at least proposed during the campaign, that instead of sending that money to Mexico, it should be confiscated to pay for the wall he wants. Who would pay for that wall? We would. Not Mexico. Not Trump. Us. It's a stupid idea in the first place, it's a dishonest way to claim they were paying for it, and it ends up being paid for by the US taxpayer. Not ok.

No wonder he refuses to release his tax returns. Considering what dishonest stuff they've found just scratching around the edges, the real deal would kill the public.



I get it. You hate him. Perhaps you wanted the Plaintiffs to proceed without settling, It is okay.

After that, your argument loses steam. He's a freaking billionaire (how many billions, who knows?) and $25 million is not a huge portion of his worth.

--The other side had to accept the settlement. If they were 100% sure of winning, they would have gone for more. They didn't settle because he is the President-elect; they settled because the number fit with what they felt was a good number to settle at.

--If he deducts $25 million, it is not like getting a $25 million tax break. It is the effective tax rate on $25 million. The rest comes out of his money.

--No matter what the settlement says about not accepting fault, it does taint him in some way.

You may not be wrong about him--we'll see--but you are taking a stand in the low ground with little cover...which is an indefensible position.
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November 21st, 2016 at 5:49:59 PM permalink
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No.

Sounds like you probably need to move to my neighborhood, or at least be prepared for a tactical redeployment, maybe with an RV kept in storage nearby as an option. It seems an awful lot of the people around here are retired military. Like, approximately most of them. I don't know why so many with that background would've bought a place on this road, but they sure did. And they are well equipped, and proud of it, with carefully maintained small arms (and even some not so small) from every era and US adversary in the last century. I can't begin to imagine how they got some of these things (along with the ordinance for them) like German grenades and North Korean/Chinese heavy machine guns and Vietnam rocket launchers and whatnot back stateside, along with a very full assortment of US Gov't issue arms, but they sure did. And they maintain them in a professional manner like they aren't gimmicks for museum display.

So, I'm sayin' if there was some stupid criminal's attempt to act out a 'drive-by' thing to 'air-out Leroy's crib' (or perhaps a very ill-advised attempt at some official forcible confiscation program) around here, the poor misguided numbskulls doing it might shortly be taking some heavy incoming fire from both sides of the road. I predict no such thing happening or being attempted or proposed or seriously advocated near here 'till the very last one of my current neighbors has passed away. And while I don't know about the technical legality of some of the more impressive stuff they keep secured in their homes, if any of them was ever to be charged for simply having them without using them to do anything harmful, the prosecution would need to get a major change of venue, like maybe to LA or NY, because they'd have no chance of getting so much as a rap on the knuckles from a local jury.
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November 21st, 2016 at 6:19:46 PM permalink
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The Democrats suddenly have become the party needing to reinvent themselves and move on to the next generation of candidates. The Republicans have a President-elect who is not exactly a lifelong Republican...disarray may be just steps away for them.



At the moment the Democrat Party is about as thin on the bench as any party in a generation. By fixing the primaries for Hillary, they basically froze out any new talent. The Obama years were a disaster down ticket. Congress, governorships, state houses, even local all saw Democrat wipe-outs. Gerrymandered minority-majority districts seem to elect kooks who will go nowhere, limiting further the pool. Identity politics on the left mean that resources will be directed on gender and skin color more than merit.

On the GOP side, if things are going fairly well, Trump gets re-elected. Americans re-elect pols, POTUS no exception. There will be endless race-baiting for the next 4 years by the left and the media. Trump hopefully keeps ignoring it, which ironically may bring the country closer together. There may well be at attempt on Trump's life, which if successful ensures Pence to be elected in 2020.

The left will keep throwing their hissy-fits. Colleges may become more academic wastelands than they recently have become with safe-spaces and similar silliness. This will start making a larger and larger social split in the younger generation. The leftists will go even further left, with some colleges becoming socially unrecognizable to outsiders and older folks. Conservative younger folks will flee these places, pragmatically seeking alternative education or/and going to more conservative schools. It may look a lot like the 1960s in some ways.
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November 21st, 2016 at 6:50:30 PM permalink
Just a family of ne'er-do-wells.

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A historian has discovered a royal decree issued to Donald Trump’s grandfather ordering him to leave Germany and never come back.

Friedrich Trump, a German, was issued with the document in February 1905, and ordered to leave the kingdom of Bavaria within eight weeks as punishment for having failed to do mandatory military service and failing to give authorities notice of his departure to the US when he first emigrated in 1885.



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The decree orders the “American citizen and pensioner Friedrich Trump” to leave the area “at the very latest on 1 May ... or else expect to be deported”.



Had to bold "deported".

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/21/trump-grandfather-friedrich-banished-germany-historian-royal-decree
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November 22nd, 2016 at 1:25:46 AM permalink
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Just a family of ne'er-do-wells.



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The decree orders the “American citizen and pensioner Friedrich Trump” to leave the area “at the very latest on 1 May ... or else expect to be deported”.



Had to bold "deported".

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/21/trump-grandfather-friedrich-banished-germany-historian-royal-decree



He was held accountable for not following the rules governing his coming and going from a country.

Novel concept!
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November 22nd, 2016 at 2:58:13 AM permalink
TLDR: his grandpa did something 100+ years ago and wasn't allowed back into Germany.


And?
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November 22nd, 2016 at 6:05:18 AM permalink
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He was held accountable for not following the rules governing his coming and going from a country.

Novel concept!



All that is important is Fred probably wanted to get away with it. To Fred and the Trumps it's probably (was) and still a sore spot as the tale is told.

Anyway...

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Residents of Kallstadt, a small wine-growing town of about 1,200 people in south-west Germany, joke that the blame for Trump becoming US president-elect lies with the German authorities who threw his grandfather out. They have so far shown little enthusiasm for claiming the businessman turned politician as their own.

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November 22nd, 2016 at 6:22:09 AM permalink
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Residents of Kallstadt, a small wine-growing town of about 1,200 people in south-west Germany, joke that the blame for Trump becoming US president-elect lies with the German authorities who threw his grandfather out. They have so far shown little enthusiasm for claiming the businessman turned politician as their own..



Who cares?

Y'all talk about the thought of "Trump trying to get away with something" like he is the only one in the entire political realm who has done so. Holy crap.

He isn't a choir boy. He did win the election over a corrupt politician. Now, he could well become a corrupt politician but he was not framed as that during the election because he was an outsider. I know, I know...he's worse than Hillary. Seriously? That really is all you have? At that point, it is a toss up. Truly. When two people who are not trusted or like get together, who even has any idea what might happen.

Yeah, Hillary was more qualified. Those very qualifications, however, were tainted by all kinds of things from over the years. Like it or not, the country went in another direction. They said we like President Obama okay, but not so much his policies, and she did not get elected and the party did not gain as much as they hoped in the House and Senate as they hoped.

By the way, qualifications stopped mattering in 2008, if not before. The most qualified person lost then, too.

Democrats and Liberals want to tear down Trump at every turn. Some Republicans/Conservatives did that with Obama. It sure did not stop him from getting re-elected and being very popular to this day.

Hey, go ahead and keep doing it!!
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