So who won the stupid debate?
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Quote: AZDuffmanHe did win. He was talking about jobs and things that matter. The Blonde Baboon was crying because he called Rosie O'Donnell a name? Same Blonde Baboon that called people not supporting her deplorable? Meanwhile Trump was debating two people, the Blonde Baboon and the moderator.
He tried to heal racial divisions while she keeps up the race-baiting that is causing so many problems in our country.
Did you see the polls? Most who responded went for Trump, often by a wide margin.
I'm loving this. Keep fighting that losing battle, AZ.
Heck, even EvenBob couldn't say Trump won over on DT...
Quote: ams288I'm loving this. Keep fighting that losing battle, AZ.
Heck, even EvenBob couldn't say Trump won over on DT...
And Trump is a racial healer, spreading love wherever he goes...while Hillary advocates throwing all the Mexicans out of the country...oh wait, that was DONALD??? The racial love guru?
And yes, it was SO wrong for that goddamn liburrul stinkin' moderator to keep interrupting Trump when he was dispensing pearls of priceless wisdom!
I'm amazed by this human tendency, exhibited by Duffy and other Trumpers, to state the exact opposite of the truth when reality is too hard to bear. Trump lost, in the same way that an incontinent weasel fighting an enraged grizzly bear would lose. Only it wasn't even as close as that. Sorry, Duffy :(
Quote: boymimboGentrification is the likely factor in the reduced crime rate in NYC.
Your opinion?
Gentrification is relatively recent and limited.
NYC Demographics are unchanged and comparable to Chicago which has five times the murder rate of NYC.
The overall NYC poverty rate is 21%, and a high as 44% in some areas.
The number of homeless has increased.
The main reason for the reduction in NYC crime is a very proactive, professional, large police force, and three good Mayors dedicated to crime prevention.
Quote: MaxPenTrump is playing chess while Hillary loses at checkers. Last night, Hillary fired her ammo with no results, while Trump walked away with all of his ammo. 2 more debates left and H doesn't stand a chance. Trump is the clear winner.
You're funny :)
I wonder if there is any circumstance wherein Trumpers would concede that Trump actually lost. Maybe next debate, he'll strip naked, start foaming at the mouth, and disembowel a live puppy onstage. And you'll still pronounce Trump "the clear winner"!
To build on your analogies, Trump is trying to play chess the way my little brother used to play it--by throwing the pieces at his opponent. And if that's all the "ammo" that Trump has, well...this election is already over.
Quote: JoeshlabotnikYou're funny :)
I wonder if there is any circumstance wherein Trumpers would concede that Trump actually lost. Maybe next debate, he'll strip naked, start foaming at the mouth, and disembowel a live puppy onstage. And you'll still pronounce Trump "the clear winner"!
To build on your analogies, Trump is trying to play chess the way my little brother used to play it--by throwing the pieces at his opponent. And if that's all the "ammo" that Trump has, well...this election is already over.
You're to focused on substance. Substance means nothing in presidential elections. Tell me the last time a presidental candidate won on substance? In midterm elections it matters but never in presidential years. The visionary candidate always wins. Obama was not elected for his substance or his policies. It was CHANGE. I'M WITH HER fell flat. Make America Great again wins big time. Not hitting Hillary on Bill's women, email scandals, foundation corruption, Benghazi, etc. was smart. It will loom over her into the second and third debate. He taunts her with it and it puts a dark cloud over her preparations. It won't happen till the third debate. The townhall debate will destroy the Trump is a scary monster campaign she's running. He's very good at talking plainly with people. She always looks like she's talking down to people. The third debate is the exposure of her, if he even needs it. I predict within two weeks he's running away with it. The desperation is getting to be very apparent in the Hillary camp. A beauty queen? Birtherism? Literally no one cares and it's not effective. She just lost at checkers.
Quote: MaxPenYou're to focused on substance.
Uh huh :)
If you think Trump is "visionary," well...I guess that term COULD include "delusional."
Quote: AZDuffmanHe did win. He was talking about jobs and things that matter. The Blonde Baboon was crying because he called Rosie O'Donnell a name? Same Blonde Baboon that called people not supporting her deplorable? Meanwhile Trump was debating two people, the Blonde Baboon and the moderator.
He tried to heal racial divisions while she keeps up the race-baiting that is causing so many problems in our country.
Did you see the polls? Most who responded went for Trump, often by a wide margin.
I felt empty after it was over, so much was left on the table. But she's got a lot of practice at this, and it was two against one. I said to myself that I felt it was a draw, but I may have been trying to cheer myself up. There's still time, and his team has got to be working hard, especially now. If she wins, it's over man. We're dead.
People saying they're voting for Johnson/Weld are doing it mostly as a protest vote. Trump as he was last night may well have scared the crap out of them, and they may not want to waste their vote on someone who can't win, so will move to Hillary just to prevent Trump from becoming President.
I don't know how you can fault Lester Holt for last night. He pretty much let them talk. He did fact-check Trump a couple of times, but let other stuff roll, and let Hillary do the fact-check if she wanted to. Trump dug his own holes, imo.
For all that, my initial impression was he did better than I expected, at least in the first half. I was glazed over by the second half, when he started to fade. Watched it a second time to see what I missed, and he seemed much worse the second time thru (as someone else here did). The first time, I was very distracted by his constant coke sniff. (Don't think he's a coke head, but that's what it sounded like. ) She also started to get shrill about the 3rd question in, but maybe realized it and toned it back down. His rudeness during her time did not play well at all; I hated that stuff during his primary debates as well.
I don't think he did as badly as they're saying, though. He came off like himself, which if you like him (I don't ) was useful to his support. I don't think he won, however.
Quote: MaxPenYou're to focused on substance. Substance means nothing in presidential elections. Tell me the last time a presidental candidate won on substance? In midterm elections it matters but never in presidential years. The visionary candidate always wins. Obama was not elected for his substance or his policies. It was CHANGE. I'M WITH HER fell flat. Make America Great again wins big time. Not hitting Hillary on Bill's women, email scandals, foundation corruption, Benghazi, etc. was smart. It will loom over her into the second and third debate. He taunts her with it and it puts a dark cloud over her preparations. It won't happen till the third debate. The townhall debate will destroy the Trump is a scary monster campaign she's running. He's very good at talking plainly with people. She always looks like she's talking down to people. The third debate is the exposure of her, if he even needs it. I predict within two weeks he's running away with it. The desperation is getting to be very apparent in the Hillary camp. A beauty queen? Birtherism? Literally no one cares and it's not effective. She just lost at checkers.
Trump lacks clarity. Maybe he's a visionary, but it would take two consecutive complete sentences about the same topic in order for most folks to see that vision. There just aren't enough conservative white men to make up for the moderates and women who are turned off when he blathers like he did in the debate. All he had to do was calm down and speak carefully. It's not like he was going to lose his base. And he couldn't do it...
The Clinton campaign knows exactly how to get him to dig his own grave.
Hillary brought her up during the debate, Trump didn't deny calling her those things. Then the next morning he doubles down and says "she gained a ton of weight and it was a real problem." Moron.
(Non-deplorable) women hate Trump. This isn't doing him any favors.
Clinton Bests Trump in Debate, Half of Likely Voters Say
Poll results:
Who won the debate?
Clinton 49
Trump 26
Undecided 25
Clinton also leads Trump by +3 in this poll nationally. Before the debate, they had Trump +1.
Quote: ams288The whole Trump calling the Latina Miss Universe contestant "Miss Piggy" and "Miss Housekeeping" thing is turning into a Khan-sized disaster for Trump.
The Clinton campaign knows exactly how to get him to dig his own grave.
Hillary brought her up during the debate, Trump didn't deny calling her those things. Then the next morning he doubles down and says "she gained a ton of weight and it was a real problem." Moron.
(Non-deplorable) women hate Trump. This isn't doing him any favors.
This is playing in the key I4 Tampa market that determines how Battle ground FL votes
North FL red, South FL blue
Quote: terapinedThis is playing in the key I4 Tampa market that determines how Battle ground FL votes
North FL red, South FL blue
It's a pretty effective approach. There are tens of thousands of reasons not to vote for Trump, but IMHO the primary one is that he's an unapologetic jerkass. Other sins, like being utterly unsuited for the job, could conceivably be compensated for and he could possibly be a decent President. But being a total douchebag is pretty much a deal-breaker. I'm glad to see Hillary's campaign zeroing in on it.
Quote: ams288The whole Trump calling the Latina Miss Universe contestant "Miss Piggy" and "Miss Housekeeping" thing is turning into a Khan-sized disaster for Trump.
The Clinton campaign knows exactly how to get him to dig his own grave.
Hillary brought her up during the debate, Trump didn't deny calling her those things. Then the next morning he doubles down and says "she gained a ton of weight and it was a real problem." Moron.
(Non-deplorable) women hate Trump. This isn't doing him any favors.
Trump's only demographic is conservative white men. That's not enough people to propel him to victory...unless they are willing to actively keep brown people from voting by force. Oh, what's that? Trump asked them to do that in PA? Oh, well then...
Quote: ams288The whole Trump calling the Latina Miss Universe contestant "Miss Piggy" and "Miss Housekeeping" thing is turning into a Khan-sized disaster for Trump.
The Clinton campaign knows exactly how to get him to dig his own grave.
Hillary brought her up during the debate, Trump didn't deny calling her those things. Then the next morning he doubles down and says "she gained a ton of weight and it was a real problem." Moron.
(Non-deplorable) women hate Trump. This isn't doing him any favors.
She won the title and promptly gained 60 pounds. Trump is a truther, she didn't win a title to a pancake eating contest. She had obligations that she refused to fulfill. She's now an ex anal porn star accused of aiding in a murder in Venezuela.
Quote: MaxPenShe won the title and promptly gained 60 pounds. Trump is a truther, she didn't win a title to a pancake eating contest. She had obligations that she refused to fulfill. She's now an ex anal porn star accused of aiding in a murder in Venezuela.
This justifies him referring to her as "Miss Housekeeping" because...?
Quote: MaxPenShe had obligations that she refused to fulfill. She's now an ex anal porn star accused of aiding in a murder in Venezuela.
Except for the weight gain that's probably a good resume' in the Trump organization. Appearances over everything else, as far as I can tell.
Quote: rxwineExcept for the weight gain that's probably a good resume' in the Trump organization. Appearances over everything else, as far as I can tell.
To bad she already works for Clinton. Trump was the last pageant official to concede in removing her, after many attempts to provide assistance with reform.
Quote: IbeatyouracesTrump is no looker himself. And his wife looks like Bruce Jenner!
Do you see him trying to win a beauty pageant?
Quote: MaxPenShe won the title and promptly gained 60 pounds. Trump is a truther, she didn't win a title to a pancake eating contest. She had obligations that she refused to fulfill. She's now an ex anal porn star accused of aiding in a murder in Venezuela.
Do you have any evidence that she's a porn star and that she aided in a murder?
Or do you just believe everything Mr. Oxy (Rush Limbaugh) says?
LOL @ Trump being a truther
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/
The biggest liar the world of American politics has ever seen.
Quote: IbeatyouracesTrump is no looker himself. And his wife looks like Bruce Jenner!
Hey, don't be hard on Trumpie. He bought her at an Eastern European model clearance sale. You know that savvy businessman that he is, he always looks for value.
Quote: ams288On Fox & Friends this morning, Trump said they did do a sound check and his mic sounded great.
I think Hillary summed it up best today:
"Anybody who complains about the microphone is not having a good night."
Well, if Donald said it, it must be true.
What, huh? Obama wants to tax people that make over $250,000/year... Has given small business tax breaks... Hillary's tax plan is closing more loopholes and attempting to make the wealthy actually pay their fare share while providing things like FREE college education and lowering the debt of college... Accountable for their actions? Yes, the 1% might actually be held accountable for things like making $650 million and not paying a dime in Federal Taxes, which trump admitted to on national TV...Quote: BozI'm for Trump, but I'll survive and thrive if he loses because that's what successful people do. I dislike Obama and his policies but it just makes me work harder to make up for the costs of a liberal President who is against success. Hillary would be the same way. On the flip side I can see why so many liberals are concerned about Trump winning. The dependent class groups have made so many gains, they fear being held accountable for their actions.
...keeping in line with the debate and the fact that this is the debate thread... This was ALL said in the debate and on TV (except perhaps Obama's tax plan which he laid out exactly the same when he was running).
Jesus, how do people really think like this? Tinfoil?
Quote: RomesJesus, how do people really think like this? Tinfoil?
One word: Ignorance.
Quote: RomesJesus, how do people really think like this? Tinfoil?
Keep in mind that conservatism is all about keeping the undeserving, including the lazy poor and the lesser breeds, in their places (at the bottom of society). In order to tout this point of view, it is necessary to distort, and when necessary ignore, reality.
Quote: MaxPenShe won the title and promptly gained 60 pounds. Trump is a truther, she didn't win a title to a pancake eating contest. She had obligations that she refused to fulfill. She's now an ex anal porn star accused of aiding in a murder in Venezuela.
Y'all might take a look at the beauty culture in Venezuela before you pass judgement on this girl (she was 18 then). However, her actions don't change what Trump did. Deflection.
Caution : NSFW. Nudity. You also need to speak Spanish to get all of it, but English narration (from Australia ) gets most of it across.
Quote: BozI'm for Trump, but I'll survive and thrive if he loses because that's what successful people do.
This time it's different, though. This is not just a game being played, this is the end nearing of a 200+ year agenda to usher in world government. The only thing that has stood in the way all these years is a free United States. It's not about money. It's about a New World Order, a FINAL New World Order. With Hillary in, there probably will be no turning back. I'm not saying she'll be the "queen of the world" within four years, but she/they will be able to put the finishing touches into place. We've all heard the saying that it will get worse before it gets better. If she/they win, it will get worse and NEVER get better.
may 1, 1776
Quote: RomesHillary's tax plan is closing more loopholes and attempting to make the wealthy actually pay their fare share
Gee, never heard that one before.
Thank GOD for rich people!
Quote: bobbartopThis time it's different, though. This is not just a game being played, this is the end nearing of a 200+ year agenda to usher in world government. The only thing that has stood in the way all these years is a free United States. It's not about money. It's about a New World Order, a FINAL New World Order. With Hillary in, there probably will be no turning back. I'm not saying she'll be the "queen of the world" within four years, but she/they will be able to put the finishing touches into place. We've all heard the saying that it will get worse before it gets better. If she/they win, it will get worse and NEVER get better.
may 1, 1776
I don't think you should take the risk of emerging from your underground bunker to make these posts. After all, THEY are always watching!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote: bobbartopIf she/they win, it will get worse and NEVER get better.
People who don't believe big government works believe a world government somehow will control everything successfully?
Most people don't even think the UN works very well. Too many selfish oligarchs in the kitchen.
Well, if you mean WW3, that's always possible. Chaos is always probable.
Quote: GWAEWhen trump talked about not paying taxed because it is smart I was like yeah go trump. Then a second later I was like Wtf, how does a billionaire nominee not pay his fair share. I think that will resonate a lot with middle class voters. Of all things said I think that was his most damaging.
I'm curious as to why you reacted favorably at first. As you say, that statement--and the true accusation that provoked it--will piss off a lot of people. Whether anybody changes their vote because of it, though, is doubtful, because people will say, "Well, she's a crook, too." (She and Bill have paid, lifetime, something like thirty million in income tax.)
Look, his story is bull. He did not start from nothing. He was given a million as a startup, and then all of pa's investments over the years. He failed miserably in AC. There's Trump University. He is clearly racist, a womanizer, and xenophobic. If you are white and in fear, then Trump I guess is your man. He is clearly a demagogue bent on hearing his own voice. Of that I have no doubt. And you want that guy having power over America's nuclear arsenal and the power to destroy the world when he gets an offending tweet or Rosie O'Donnell insults him, may the Lord have mercy on your soul. And, yes, I know I'm exaggerating, but only slightly. There are reasons why North Korea and Russia want him to be president and why the markets swoon downwards when Trump gets closer to a presidency. They sense the instability that will come with the Trump presidency.
I know most people on this forum see Hillary's Email and her foundation as no better. So please, just vote for Johnson. Or Stein.
Quote: rxwinePeople who don't believe big government works believe a world government somehow will control everything successfully?
Most people don't even think the UN works very well. Too many selfish oligarchs in the kitchen.
Well, if you mean WW3, that's always possible. Chaos is always probable.
First of all, chaos is a transitionary tool, a means to an end.
Big government works. Who said it doesn't? Socialism works too. It works very well.
The problem here is that you have come in during the middle of the movie, and you missed the part where the butler did it. It's not something that is apparent and obvious, at least not until you've done your homework. Study the fine points of the French and Russian Revolutions. The Jacobins, Masons, May 1st, 1776.
Russia did not fall to the Bolsheviks because of the masses of poor people fighting the Czar. That's for chumps. It takes money to finance a revolution. It was certain super wealthy billionaires who financed the Bolsheviks. You may ask yourself, "Why would super rich people finance communism? Supposedly, if the communists take over they would expropriate the wealth of the rich people". If you asked yourself that question, congratulate yourself. And it's a good place to start searching for the truth. Why DID super wealthy Wall Streeters finance the Bolsheviks?
Quote: JoeshlabotnikI don't think you should take the risk of emerging from your underground bunker to make these posts. After all, THEY are always watching!!!!!!!!!!!!
Joe, you mentioned nothing about me getting back on my meds or anything about tin foil. So original. So cerebral. Ain't there nothing happening at Sam's Town that you could be doing right now instead of seeking attention on internet forums? Maybe Nudge is still there at the Double Bonus bank. He'll talk to you if you're lonely.
Quote: bobbartopFirst of all, chaos is a transitionary tool, a means to an end.
Big government works. Who said it doesn't? Socialism works too. It works very well.
The problem here is that you have come in during the middle of the movie, and you missed the part where the butler did it. It's not something that is apparent and obvious, at least not until you've done your homework. Study the fine points of the French and Russian Revolutions. The Jacobins, Masons, May 1st, 1776.
Russia did not fall to the Bolsheviks because of the masses of poor people fighting the Czar. That's for chumps. It takes money to finance a revolution. It was certain super wealthy billionaires who financed the Bolsheviks. You may ask yourself, "Why would super rich people finance communism? Supposedly, if the communists take over they would expropriate the wealth of the rich people". If you asked yourself that question, congratulate yourself. And it's a good place to start searching for the truth. Why DID super wealthy Wall Streeters finance the Bolsheviks?
Okay, let's go with your premise.
We'll assume Trump is an outlier in this whole scenario. He seems like a terrible choice for a hero in this scenario. A guy who has operated in business as an opportunist, not the guy who is a revolutionary for the little guys. Is he going to get an offer he can't refuse? I'd say so. Is he going to take it. I'd say so.
What's your take that would make me think he's a bullet away from cooperating with ??? the mysterious ones.
In other words, under your scenario there is no hope anyway. I don't see any. So, I might as well vote for HIllary if such is true.
Quote: bobbartopJoe, you mentioned nothing about me getting back on my meds or anything about tin foil. So original. So cerebral. Ain't there nothing happening at Sam's Town that you could be doing right now instead of seeking attention on internet forums? Maybe Nudge is still there at the Double Bonus bank. He'll talk to you if you're lonely.
Bob, I truly cherish your unique view of the world, and of reality in general. We participants in these forums hear from you things that would never be uttered by any other human being. Please don't deprive us of that--when the aliens do finally kidnap you, surely you can talk them into providing you with a wifi connection!
(one of these days, I need to turn off the tracker thing that tries to align me with whatever I'm discussing)
Quote: rxwineOkay, let's go with your premise.
We'll assume Trump is an outlier in this whole scenario. He seems like a terrible choice for a hero in this scenario. A guy who has operated in business as an opportunist, not the guy who is a revolutionary for the little guys. Is he going to get an offer he can't refuse? I'd say so. Is he going to take it. I'd say so.
What's your take that would make me think he's a bullet away from cooperating with ??? the mysterious ones.
In other words, under your scenario there is no hope anyway. I don't see any. So, I might as well vote for HIllary if such is true.
You've got me there, you really do. A year ago I made a few bets that there was no way the real power would allow Ted Cruz or Donald Trump to take the White House. At that time I thought Jeb or Rubio were most likely because they are both "insiders". Over the months, you have not seen me champion Trump. Why? Because I'm confused about him and know very little about him.
But I am as unsure about Trump as I am sure about the Clintons.
Who is Carroll Quigley?
Quote: rxwineI did just find a possible conspiracy though.
(one of these days, I need to turn off the tracker thing that tries to align me with whatever I'm discussing)
Alert Bobbartop!!
I at first thought that the conspirators were going to be those cows that deface Chick-Fil-A billboards.
The article refers to "chicken manufacturers." Funny, I always thought that chickens were, y'know, hatched or something. Now we learn that they're actually robots! When will this madness end???
Quote: JoeshlabotnikBob, I truly cherish your unique view of the world, and of reality in general. We participants in these forums hear from you things that would never be uttered by any other human being. Please don't deprive us of that--when the aliens do finally kidnap you, surely you can talk them into providing you with a wifi connection!
What part of "please put me back in your killfile" did you not understand?
I'll pay you $10 by PayPal not to talk to me.
You might as well pay him to leave the forum. Those three days were so nice. It was like this when Larrys was around, just a little different based on topics.Quote: bobbartopWhat part of "please put me back in your killfile" did you not understand?
I'll pay you $10 by PayPal not to talk to me.
Quote: onenickelmiracleYou might as well pay him to leave the forum. Those three days were so nice. It was like this when Larrys was around, just a little different based on topics.
I'll offer him $12.95 by PayPal to take another three days in the cooler.
Standing offer, I will pay any moderator $15 to restrict Joe for a week for absolutely no reason at all.
While other people get speaking fees, let Joeshlabotnik show you how to get paid not to talk!
Learn his step by step method. Work from the comfort of your home.
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I was just about to up the mod offer to 100
Quote: AZDuffmanHe did win. He was talking about jobs and things that matter. The Blonde Baboon was crying because he called Rosie O'Donnell a name? Same Blonde Baboon that called people not supporting her deplorable? Meanwhile Trump was debating two people, the Blonde Baboon and the moderator.
He tried to heal racial divisions while she keeps up the race-baiting that is causing so many problems in our country.
Did you see the polls? Most who responded went for Trump, often by a wide margin.
I think we can definitively say AZDuffman is wrong now, can't we? (Well, more wrong than he usually is...)
Has he seen the actual scientific polls (not the online ones)? Clinton won them all by a wide margin. Seriously, can anyone find a scientific poll conducted by an actual polling company that has Trump winning the debate?
Now Trump is furious that his people are acknowledging he lost:
Trump angry at allies conceding he lost debate
Quote:Donald Trump is angry that his aides and advisers have conceded to reporters -- largely without attribution -- that the Republican nominee struggled in his first presidential debate.
In a conference call with surrogates Wednesday afternoon, Trump aides made clear the Republican nominee is upset that his allies publicly acknowledged they pushed him to change his preparation and tactics before his next bout with Hillary Clinton. And he wants them to stop it immediately.
The message was "not subtle," a source familiar with the call said.
Trump wants his supporters to make an energetic defense of his performance and refuse to concede that he didn't nail it.
Sounds like AZDuffman may have been on that call....
Quote: ams288I think we can definitively say AZDuffman is wrong now, can't we? (Well, more wrong than he usually is...)
Has he seen the actual scientific polls (not the online ones)? Clinton won them all by a wide margin. Seriously, can anyone find a scientific poll conducted by an actual polling company that has Trump winning the debate?
Now Trump is furious that his people are acknowledging he lost:
Trump angry at allies conceding he lost debate
Sounds like AZDuffman may have been on that call....
So here's a guy running for President that not only can't accept objective information and learn from it, he requires only "yes" men advising and representing him. A sure sign of megalomania, and a low IQ. I hope at least a few of them have the sense to distance themselves now.
Value dissent. Value objectivity. Value smart people who bring both to your service.
