Trump and the racist high roller
Is it illegal if the casino complies?
We have a new haircutting place here that only has young attractive females as the barbers. They make a point of this in their advertising. Do you guys think this is OK?
Apparently the problem was not that he was simply racist... If a high roller said, "I don't want a black dealer," and just left it at that, the casino would probably secretly roll their eyes and say, "Okay, no problem," and proceed to take his money.
The problem was that this guy was actively and loudly being rude, crude, foul, and condescending, publicly calling women the c-word and black people the n-word. Supposedly he did it a lot, too, which is what led to people complaining, and subsequently the fines.
Quote: TigerWu
The problem was that this guy was actively and loudly being rude, crude, foul, and condescending, publicly calling women the c-word and black people the n-word. Supposedly he did it a lot, too, which is what led to people complaining, and subsequently the fines.
I didn't realize it was legal for a casino owner to gamble at his own establishment...:-)
That would include making room for a high roller that wants the floor.
The legal precedence, in most states, has given the casinos a great deal of leeway.
I see a conundrum here.....
Quote: rdw4potusI didn't realize it was legal for a casino owner to gamble at his own establishment...:-)
You beat me to it!!!!!
I was going to ask if this high roller's name happened to be "John Miller?"
Quote: ams288You beat me to it!!!!!
I was going to ask if this high roller's name happened to be "John Miller?"
Just call him Barron. He's always liked Barron.
But yes, it is different than someone requesting female or asian dealers. You should be able to go to work without someone saying, "get that ngger out of here!" and your boss complying. How is that not obvious?
Legalities aside, the ideal move from the boss would be to toss the high roller out on his ass as abruptly and forcefully as possible.
Quote: TigerWu
The problem was that this guy was actively and loudly being rude, crude, foul, and condescending, publicly calling women the c-word and black people the n-word. Supposedly he did it a lot, too, which is what led to people complaining, and subsequently the fines.
A casino let a high roller behave in a boorish manner. Big deal. Lots of groups go to lots of businesses and behave badly but because they spend they are welcomed back. No big deal if it was about race. Race is no different than any other factor.
Quote: AZDuffmanA casino let a high roller behave in a boorish manner. Big deal. Lots of groups go to lots of businesses and behave badly but because they spend they are welcomed back. No big deal if it was about race. Race is no different than any other factor.
Many would disagree. Do you think if asked at a shareholder meeting if Caesars would honor a request by a patron that no blacks serve them, the CEO would answer...... of course! I don't think so.....
Quote: SOOPOO
We have a new haircutting place here that only has young attractive females as the barbers. They make a point of this in their advertising. Do you guys think this is OK?
At the risk of a high jack ( I'll live), I believe you are from Buffalo. Do you remember the places years ago on the way to Niagra Falls that gave the lingerie haircuts? Was a strip club where you could get your haircut basically. Good times back in the Bickering Bills days.
Can you elaborate on the haircuts, or barbers, or post pics, or SOMETHING?
Quote: SOOPOOMany would disagree. Do you think if asked at a shareholder meeting if Caesars would honor a request by a patron that no blacks serve them, the CEO would answer...... of course! I don't think so.....
What if it was a wealthy black who requested that he have only black dealers? They would fall all over themselves to provide that.
Damn! I wish I had written that!Quote: AZDuffmanWhat if it was a wealthy black who requested that he have only black dealers? They would fall all over themselves to provide that.
Quote: AZDuffmanWhat if it was a wealthy black who requested that he have only black dealers? They would fall all over themselves to provide that.
Not sure Obama is going to casinos when he cashes in, in the next 20 years for 100+ million in speeches.
Quote: BozNot sure Obama is going to casinos when he cashes in, in the next 20 years for 100+ million in speeches.
How is he gonna be able to deliver speeches from a prison cell, hey hey?
That may have nothing to do with the fact that they don't like "Orientals". It's a common belief female asian dealers are harder to beat(at blackjack.)Quote: soxfanYears ago I saw a high roller at the bj game demand that no Orientals deal to him. And the casino gave into his demands, and changed the regular rotation to placate him, hey hey.
There's a very good BJ scene in The Runner 1999 that deals with this issue.
Quote: AZDuffmanA casino let a high roller behave in a boorish manner. Big deal. Lots of groups go to lots of businesses and behave badly but because they spend they are welcomed back. No big deal if it was about race. Race is no different than any other factor.
Except legally it is. Race, gender, and religion are all protected groups. You can refuse service to "anyone", but if you do it against a protected class the reason cannot be because they are a member of said protected class.
Also there are hostile work environment laws. Courts have also found that employers can be found liable of creating a hostile work environment if a customer is racially discriminating and the employer does not attempt to prevent it. http://www.schwartzandperry.com/Blog/2014/May/Employer-Liable-for-Hostile-Work-Environment-Cre.aspx .
Quote: TwirdmanExcept legally it is. Race, gender, and religion are all protected groups. You can refuse service to "anyone", but if you do it against a protected class the reason cannot be because they are a member of said protected class.
But nobody was damaged economically in any way as I read it. The whale just wanted to have certain dealers. Nobody was fired.
Quote:Also there are hostile work environment laws. Courts have also found that employers can be found liable of creating a hostile work environment if a customer is racially discriminating and the employer does not attempt to prevent it. http://www.schwartzandperry.com/Blog/2014/May/Employer-Liable-for-Hostile-Work-Environment-Cre.aspx .
See above. No loss, just didn't get to deal for the whale. Dealing with bad players is simply part of the job.
Quote: AZDuffmanBut nobody was damaged economically in any way as I read it. The whale just wanted to have certain dealers. Nobody was fired.
See above. No loss, just didn't get to deal for the whale. Dealing with bad players is simply part of the job.
No loss? So the high Roller didn't ever tip?
Would the same arguments against the casino be made if a player asked for an Asian dealer?
I don't remember anyone QQ'ing when Ivey & co requested a Mandarin Chinese dealer.
Quote: rdw4potusNo loss? So the high Roller didn't ever tip?
Someone beat me to it but pooled tips, Look it up.
(He was a 10k a hand player)
Quote: WizardofnothingJust an FYI a good friend of mine also requested only female dealers and always was granted that request
(He was a 10k a hand player)
Good for him! In a truly free society you should be able to request any kind of dealer you want and never be questioned about it. Of course the higher your play the more chance you will get your request.
On another note / the famous roger King infamously took a leak on the craps table at the taj-
This isn't rumor as I knew him personally at the time
They simply brought in a new table and took him to bed in a wheel chair
What if a gentleman asks for a specific woman to do a table dance for him: is that against the law?
A business needs to give the customer what he wants.
Quote: MrV
A business nees to give the customer what he wants.
When I was a PCO they stationed me on Cleveland for a few weeks. There was a famous boxer who was a customer. The one black tech had the stop. He was not a great tech and the stop was nowhere near where the rest of his route was. I did not ask, but it was easy to see what was going on.
