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May 16th, 2016 at 11:14:33 AM permalink
I've said it from day 1 of this campaign: he will never release his taxes.

He's got too much to hide.

The Dems should make this a huge issue for the next 6 months.
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May 16th, 2016 at 1:13:07 PM permalink
Quote: ams288

I've said it from day 1 of this campaign: he will never release his taxes.

He's got too much to hide.

The Dems should make this a huge issue for the next 6 months.



This is a Vegas board so
Whats the over under in how many days it takes for Trump to admit he is John Miller
3, 7 10?
Maybe he never comes clean
lol
Pretty funny that all the Trump (aka John Miller) supporters wont support their man on this issue
Just silence
ROTFLMAO
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May 16th, 2016 at 1:44:48 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

Pretty funny that all the Trump (aka John Miller) supporters wont support their man on this issue
Just silence
ROTFLMAO



Actually I've seen lots of his surrogates on TV saying "I believe him when he says it wasn't him."

INSANE. Apparently they don't have ears.

Has he done any of his constant TV phone interviews since this came out? I don't think so.

You know Trump is having a bad week when he doesn't call into 87 morning shows... He's a fame whore.
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May 16th, 2016 at 2:13:54 PM permalink
Quote: ams288

I've said it from day 1 of this campaign: he will never release his taxes.

He's got too much to hide.

The Dems should make this a huge issue for the next 6 months.



I agree. Attack him on his failure to release his tax returns. That should be a huge issue.
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May 16th, 2016 at 2:46:52 PM permalink
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I agree. Attack him on his failure to release his tax returns. That should be a huge issue.



Glad we agree.
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May 16th, 2016 at 3:03:14 PM permalink
Quote: RonC

I agree. Attack him on his failure to release his tax returns. That should be a huge issue.


this country in the debt it's in, will he file bankruptcy for it? He's a pro at that scam.
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May 16th, 2016 at 3:18:59 PM permalink
Quote: RonC

I agree. Attack him on his failure to release his tax returns. That should be a huge issue.



Actually it shouldn't be a huge issue if there is NOTHING of significant value in John Miller's tax return. However, tax returns are resourceful in helping voters to judge John Miller's (or any Presidential candidate) conflict of interest, honesty, integrity and hypocrisy. And yes, the conflict of interest, honesty, integrity and hypocrisy issues are huge and very important for the most important position in the nation and the world.

As one of the articles listed in the initial post stated, "... that without the returns, voters are left to make their own inferences as to why Trump won’t release them. By releasing them, voters may learn that Trump isn’t hiding something that’s worse than what’s actually there." The author of the article then concluded,
"In other words if "there’s nothing to learn," voters would, in fact, learn that."
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May 16th, 2016 at 3:25:14 PM permalink
Quote: ams288

Glad we agree.



Don't worry; we will agree on this but we won't agree on much else for long...once I start talking about the things Trump should attack Clinton on, my prediction is that you'll defend her at every turn. Maybe I will be wrong.

I don't like Trump. I like Hillary even less.
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May 16th, 2016 at 3:31:34 PM permalink
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this country in the debt it's in, will he file bankruptcy for it? He's a pro at that scam.



The answer is an absolutely yes according to his proposal about reducing the national debt by persuading creditors to accept something less than full payment. NO THIS IS NOT A JOKE. IT IS A SERIOUS PROPOSAL BY JOHN MILLER.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/07/us/politics/donald-trumps-idea-to-cut-national-debt-get-creditors-to-accept-less.html?_r=0
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May 16th, 2016 at 4:55:51 PM permalink
Quote: ams288

I've said it from day 1 of this campaign: he will never release his taxes.

He's got too much to hide.

The Dems should make this a huge issue for the next 6 months.




John Miller has very right to take advantage of any loop hole in the tax codes. While John Miller's many attempts to pay smallest amount in tax as possible are legal (or borderline legal), the video below expose his hypocrisy, honesty, integrity on the tax issues.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/donald-trumps-tax-strategy-39138246

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-team-revises-golf-amid-tax-controversy/story?id=39155939
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May 16th, 2016 at 5:45:36 PM permalink
Quote: RonC

Don't worry; we will agree on this but we won't agree on much else for long...once I start talking about the things Trump should attack Clinton on, my prediction is that you'll defend her at every turn. Maybe I will be wrong.

I don't like Trump. I like Hillary even less.



I don't care what Trump attacks Hillary on. He's already gone after Bill. Called her an enabler. Attacked her voice. (Stuff that is going to tank his favorables with women even more).

At this point, it'd be refreshing if he brought up a dead horse like Benghazi.

He's destined to lose no matter what he attacks her on.

Demographics are destiny.
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May 16th, 2016 at 6:31:02 PM permalink
Quote: ams288

I don't care what Trump attacks Hillary on. He's already gone after Bill. Called her an enabler. Attacked her voice. (Stuff that is going to tank his favorables with women even more).

At this point, it'd be refreshing if he brought up a dead horse like Benghazi.

He's destined to lose no matter what he attacks her on.

Demographics are destiny.



He should release his tax returns, but he has filed the proper legal forms. If the voters accept what he has decided, they will vote for him. If they don't, they will vote against him. It is up to the voters to decide whether it is important or not.

It is important to me, but less important than President Clinton.

A lot of people counted Trump out over the past year, me included. So far, those people have all been wrong. Don't go counting your demographic eggs before they hatch!
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May 16th, 2016 at 7:33:32 PM permalink
Quote: 777

The answer is an absolutely yes according to his proposal about reducing the national debt by persuading creditors to accept something less than full payment.

Who are the creditors?
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May 16th, 2016 at 7:33:48 PM permalink
I think Trump is the worst Republican nominee since John Fremont in 1856. Fremont is the Fremont of Fremont Street BTW.

Quote:




During the Mexican–American War, Frémont, a major in the U.S. Army, took control of California from the Bear Flag Republic in 1846. Frémont then proclaimed himself military Governor of California; however, for that he was convicted in court martial for mutiny and insubordination. After President Polk commuted his sentence, Frémont led a fourth expedition, which cost ten lives, seeking a rail route over the mountains around the 38th parallel in the winter of 1849. He retired from military service and settled in California. Frémont acquired massive wealth during the California Gold Rush, but he was soon bogged down with lawsuits over land claims, between the dispossession of various land owners during the Mexican–American War and the explosion of Forty-Niners immigrating during the Rush. These cases were settled by the U.S. Supreme Court allowing Frémont to keep his property

[...]

Although Frémont had successes during his brief tenure as Commander of the Western Armies, he ran his department autocratically, and made hasty decisions without consulting Washington D.C. or President Lincoln. After Frémont's emancipation edict that freed slaves in his district, he was relieved of his command by President Lincoln for insubordination

[...]

After the Civil War, Frémont's wealth declined after investing heavily and purchasing an unsuccessful Pacific Railroad in 1866. Frémont served as Governor of Arizona appointed by President Rutherford B. Hayes and served from 1878 to 1881. Frémont, retired from politics and financially destitute, died in New York City in 1890.

[...]

Historians portray Frémont as controversial, impetuous, and contradictory. Some scholars regard him as a military hero of significant accomplishment, while others view him as a failure who repeatedly defeated his own best purposes




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._Fr%C3%A9mont
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May 16th, 2016 at 8:42:39 PM permalink
Who are the US creditors?

Countries, corporations, and individuals who own treasury bills, notes, and bonds.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikepatton/2014/10/28/who-owns-the-most-u-s-debt/#3aa1cc71907c

Notably, the largest creditor is social security, as the funds were drawn out of it and replaced with these debt notes.

So is he suggesting that social security gets short-paid, or all of the mutual fund holders of t-bills and such, or is he just going to try to stiff the foreign owners of those instruments?
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May 16th, 2016 at 9:15:59 PM permalink
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Who are the creditors?


China I believe.
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May 16th, 2016 at 9:23:13 PM permalink
There's a pretty big difference between defaulting on corporate debt and defaulting on sovereign debt. In 2011, global stock markets fell by 5% the day after S&P downgraded the US debt based on its perception that the US government was less likely to enact proper debt policies. If Trump is ever in a position to affirmatively default on the US debt, the markets will fall by a lot more than just 5%.
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May 16th, 2016 at 10:48:40 PM permalink
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China I believe.

China has been net negative on treasury purchases, since IIRC 2011. They have been dumping treasury's and buying anything of intrinsic value that they can with the proceeds. Infrastructure here, around the world and particularly Africa.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-25/devaluation-stunner-china-has-dumped-100-billion-treasurys-past-two-weeks
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May 16th, 2016 at 11:15:24 PM permalink
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Notably, the largest creditor is social security, as the funds were drawn out of it and replaced with these debt notes.

That was done under Clinton, B. in order to show economic gains. http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/ARTICLE2/budget.php#axzz48tDBFy00

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So is he suggesting that social security gets short-paid, or all of the mutual fund holders of t-bills and such, or is he just going to try to stiff the foreign owners of those instruments?

The way I see it: the treasury needs money to pay for things, including the interest on what they stole out of SS. So the fed, [ you and me] prints it, and loans it to tbtf banks [at a fraction above 0%]that are also "primary dealers" who will buy all the treasury's left over after a monthly auction process. So that is how the treasury gets their money. Then the big banks get to collect until maturity on those notes.

The fed. [us] creates money, loans it cheap to the the "SIFI' banks, then according to a back room agreement [it's not backroom] buy's the treasury's, and now get the bonds on their books as level one assets. Then they loan them to each other, and fractionally loan that money again. They also get to collect around 3% now on the ten year. The money the tbtf banks have left over, they put back into the fed bank, as excess reserves. They collect around .25 now, they were higher. Now the fed is paying the tbtf banks, 50 billion per year, not to lend. There really aren't that many good places to loan that money, so it is forced into stocks.

I think on Trump's part it was like a thumb in Hillary's eye, as the big banks have donated hundreds of millions to the Clinton's over the years. Trump will ever make a move on the Wall street banks other than smoke and mirrors. Won't happen.

Coincidentally, Adelson just promised Trump a hundred million dollars. Trump is only posturing about cutting a little vig off of what taxpayers are paying the banks, at any cost, so they don't go under. He's a business man, it's just business.
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May 17th, 2016 at 7:28:26 AM permalink
Quote: Dalex64

..Notably, the largest creditor is social security...


Social Security is the second largest man made fraud ever created after religion.
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May 17th, 2016 at 12:39:13 PM permalink
Has Trump addressed the whole "John Miller" thing since Friday morning when he flat out denied it was him?

How has he not been asked about this since then? He's been caught in a lie. Plain and simple. He should be asked about this constantly.
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May 17th, 2016 at 1:44:38 PM permalink
I haven't seen anything on it a couple of days...I realize "John Miller" isn't a classified document on a private server that may have compromised National Security nor did the "interview" result in Americans dying in Benghazi, but still, it's an important issue impacting our collective futures. Questions must be asked!!
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May 17th, 2016 at 2:33:33 PM permalink
Quote: Paradigm

I haven't seen anything on it a couple of days...I realize "John Miller" isn't a classified document on a private server that may have compromised National Security nor did the "interview" result in Americans dying in Benghazi, but still, it's an important issue impacting our collective futures. Questions must be asked!!



Trump hasn't been tested on protecting National Security or troops, so it's hard to compare.

I wouldn't bet on him to do well against Hillary for protecting information. Trump's propensity for running his mouth makes me think he would be badly matched over the same period of time given a chance.

Even Gen Petraeus flubbed the National Security issue -- so even the well trained and mighty fall once in awhile to mistakes.
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May 17th, 2016 at 6:50:34 PM permalink
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A lot of people counted Trump out over the past year, me included.

Yep, me too. But my prediction is that Hillary will win by a historic landslide. You read it hear first !
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May 17th, 2016 at 7:13:45 PM permalink
General Petreaus said " I DID NOT HAVE SEXUAL RELATIONS WITH THAT WOMAN "
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May 18th, 2016 at 3:14:05 AM permalink
Quote: Paradigm

I haven't seen anything on it a couple of days...I realize "John Miller" isn't a classified document on a private server that may have compromised National Security nor did the "interview" result in Americans dying in Benghazi, but still, it's an important issue impacting our collective futures. Questions must be asked!!



Understood! Fair questions!

There aren’t any perfect/flawless candidates, presidents, politicians, lawyers, CPA… You can find plenty of mistakes or poor judgments in John Miller, Clintons, Reagan, Obama, or other human beings.

There are reckless, unforeseen, unavoidable, unforgivable, or just simple ordinary mistakes. And we all make mistakes and can learn from our own and other people mistakes. Knowledge and experience can be gained from one’s own or other people mistakes. We all made mistakes, and it is more important to me whether one had learned from his/her own past mistakes. As Vince Lombardi, Jr. once said, "It's not whether you got knocked down; it's whether you get back up."

With regarding to the Benghazi incident, there were numerous hearings/investigations and the conclusion was the terrorist killed American, and those deaths were NOT caused by Clinton, or anyone in the Whitehouse, the Statement Department or the Congress. And in the private server controversy, I think it was a poor judgment on Hillary part to use private server, but none of the email communications were considered classified at the time when those communications were send. Many of those emails were LATER classified by the Whitehouse and/or State Department, but at no time Clinton or any of her staff or those involved were unknowingly transmitted classified documents. Keep in mind that the private server is still an on-going investigation and will hear more about this from John Miller between now and November.

Clinton’s handling of Benghazi incident, and her use of private server were not desirable, and I don’t consider her actions as reckless. I believe Clinton and our nation can and will learn from those ordinary mistakes and, and lesson learned from her poor judgments will make her a better & wiser leader/human being, and us collectively a better nation.

As I have stated earlier, knowledge and experience can be gained from one’s own or other people mistakes. We all made mistakes, and it is more important to me whether one had learned from his/her own past mistakes. I would be more comfortable in an aircraft controlled by an experience pilot with many flying hours who had learned a lot from his own and other pilots' mistakes than an inexperience pilot with so few flying hours. And my same feeling can be applied to CPA professions and any other professions, or human beings.

Had John Miller learned anything from his bad treatments of woman in the past 20 plus years? I'll let you be the judge. And considering many of John Miller reckless statements about Mexican, Muslim, immigrant, woman, handling US debt and nuclear arsenal, is John Miller fit to be a POTUS? Under the U.S. constitution and democracy, you have every right to choose John Miller to plan our collective futures. It is a scary thought that the odds of John Miller planning our collective futures are much greater than the odds of 10,000 of anything in a row.

And with regarding to John Miller and Clinton, I don't demand perfection from them. However, I'm more comfortable with Clinton for her experience and knowledge than the loud mouth, reckless, deceitful, and flame baiter/thrower John Miller. And I sincerely hope our collective futures will not be in the hand of John Miller.
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May 18th, 2016 at 9:26:33 AM permalink
Wait, you start a thread titled "John Miller - " and then spend the time and effort to type a 6 paragraph response? That was an effective use of your time. The sad part to this diatribe is your vote in November gets cancelled by the vote of that jackass in N Carolina that punched the protester at the Trump rally. In closing (& in tribute of my Forum inspiration): tldr.
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May 18th, 2016 at 10:53:30 AM permalink
Quote: ams288

I don't care what Trump attacks Hillary on. He's already gone after Bill. Called her an enabler. Attacked her voice. (Stuff that is going to tank his favorables with women even more).

At this point, it'd be refreshing if he brought up a dead horse like Benghazi.

He's destined to lose no matter what he attacks her on.

Demographics are destiny.



If he's destined to lose, why so unhinged?
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May 18th, 2016 at 11:10:38 AM permalink
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If he's destined to lose, why so unhinged?



Who's unhinged? (Besides John MillerTrump)
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May 18th, 2016 at 3:11:08 PM permalink
Quote: ams288

He's destined to lose no matter what he attacks her on.



Quote: Sabretom2

If he's destined to lose, why so unhinged?



The last very strong prediction of a Presidential outcome of that sort here led to...well, a long period of self exile and some ridicule...

I am not saying that he is going to win, or that he even has a very good chance of winning, but the people on both sides have strongly gone against the establishment candidates.

He most certainly has a chance of winning...
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May 18th, 2016 at 9:49:01 PM permalink
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The people on both sides have strongly gone against the establishment candidates.

The unrest at the Democratic Convention over the weekend in of all places Las Vegas should not go unmentioned. The tumult was severe enough to force a prominent official like Barbara Boxer off the stage fearing for her safety, she said. Also, the Democratic headquarters was too fearful even to open its doors on Monday.
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May 18th, 2016 at 10:29:37 PM permalink
I thought I read Pinnacle has a Non-Hillary president at 3.32-1...that may be a good bet as the unrest in the Dems with Bernie apparently hanging on thru the convention does not bode well for Sillary in November. Are those odds correct?
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May 18th, 2016 at 10:58:46 PM permalink
How is Clinton gonna be able to run for office from a prison cell, hey hey?
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May 19th, 2016 at 6:52:49 AM permalink
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Who's unhinged? (Besides John MillerTrump)



tldr
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May 19th, 2016 at 6:57:50 AM permalink
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tldr

tldr

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