Jeb Bush: Third time's the Harm?
What is it about the Bush clan that bamboozles the American public?
Quote: MrVEgad, Jeb Bush threw his hat in the ring.
What is it about the Bush clan that bamboozles the American public?
No different than the Clintons. Why Americans on either side would want to stick with the same families over and over amazes me as well. Bill Clinton was a good president for this country with his polices and I say that as a GOPer. But I don't want Hillary or Jeb as our next President. That said I don't want Sanders or Warren on the Dem side either. My early hope is for Christie as someone who can reach out to the middle and actually talk about common sense solutions. But that is too much to ask today.
Quote: BozNo different than the Clintons. Why Americans on either side would want to stick with the same families over and over amazes me as well. Bill Clinton was a good president for this country with his polices and I say that as a GOPer. But I don't want Hillary or Jeb as our next President. That said I don't want Sanders or Warren on the Dem side either. My early hope is for Christie as someone who can reach out to the middle and actually talk about common sense solutions. But that is too much to ask today.
There really isn't much comparison between the Clintons and the Bushes. Right now you have a single Clinton who has won presidency and one more hopeful who was also secretary of state and senator they are a married couple so single generational. The Bushes on the other hand have had 2 presidents in 2 different generatons as well as political prominence reaching back to W. great grand father. Bushs grand father was already a senator. So a political dynasty reaching back at most a few decades if you count Clinton winning governor as the start of the dynasty compared to over 100 years for the Bush family
Quote: BozI don't want Sanders or Warren on the Dem side either. .
Krauthammer said the other day, would the
Dems really be that generous to nominate
Warren and give the Right such a gift? He
said she can be beaten by anybody who's
breathing. He must feel strongly, he doesn't
usually say things like that.
Quote: EvenBobKrauthammer said the other day, would the
Dems really be that generous to nominate
Warren and give the Right such a gift? He
said she can be beaten by anybody who's
breathing. He must feel strongly, he doesn't
usually say things like that.
Krauthammer predicted President Romney lol
Warren in a landslide if she gets nominated, its the reality of the electoral college :-)
Whats next, taking Karl Rove predictions seriously?
Quote: MrVEgad, Jeb Bush threw his hat in the ring.
What is it about the Bush clan that bamboozles the American public?
The "clan" part.
Maybe run Bandar for Vp, and the Bush girls can run against Chelsea in 2024?
Who ya gonna vote for, Bush or Clinton? Wheeeee, this democracy stuff sure is fun.
Like Henry Ford said, "they can have any color they want, as long as it's black".
They could run Hillary against Sarah and the public would still think they have a choice. It would be comical if it wasn't so tragic.
Quote: terapinedKrauthammer predicted President Romney
Not with the certainty of Warren he didn't.
When asked he favored Romney, that's
all. Warren is such a troll, and her background
and inexperience at ANYTHING will be her
undoing. Especially this ongoing lie she has
about being Native American. The Right
would beat that like a drum. It's all moot,
nobody on the Left is dumb enough to
take her seriously.
Quote: EvenBobNot with the certainty of Warren he didn't.
When asked he favored Romney, that's
all. .
Foxnews headline
Krauthammer: Romney will win the presidency
http://www.foxnews.com/transcript/2012/11/06/krauthammer-romney-will-win-presidency/
Is this liberal wishful thinking/history re-write in the same way the Dan Rather/Virgina rape case/Duke rape case/Michael Brown/Eric Garner are?
Why is it that the only world that liberalism works in, or that conservatism is evil in, is a make-believe world that has to be trumped up and perpetuated? Is there some allergic reaction to reality?
I don't know if liberalism is evil or not. I do know it does not appear to work or to be based in reality, and that its practitioners (i.e., Sony executives, John Gruber, etc.) are exactly what they profess the other side to be.
And this pic is a couple years old.
69 in 2016, 70 the year she gets
sworn in. Shudder..
I know that if he runs he will take many of the Hispanic vote (especially in Florida) from the Dems. I know many liberals who will vote for him because of his openmindess on immigration alone (and he is pretty socially liberal).
And Republicans will vote for him because of his name. And they will certainly choose him over Hillary even if they think he is a bit too liberal, they will still vote for him.
If Hillary runs against Bush, Bush will draw many new votes into the GOP.
Bush may be the best candidate politically speaking, I think if he runs and wins the primary it will be an easy victory in the main election. It will be even easier if Hillary wins the Primary for the Dems. which is what I am hoping.
Politically speaking there is not a more sound candidate, who can guarantee an easy victory for the GOP.
Rand Paul would probably be the second best political option, he and his father both also were responsible for a lot of young people registering as Republicans. I personally prefer Rand Paul, but I think realistically Bush is the better option as far as easy victory politically.
Quote: GandlerBush a great candidate for the GOP to put forward.
.
Too lib on too many issues, don't like him.
Quote: EvenBobToo lib on too many issues, don't like him.
That is true, which is why he draws popularity from a lot of liberals which brings him a lot of votes from both parties.
Look at how popular he is in various communities in Florida as a Gov. candidate there.
If he runs against Hillary (who is often regarded by young liberals as an old Hawk) he will win without a doubt.
Millennials know nothing about her, they're
amazed when they find out she's 67 and
hasn't driven a car in almost 20 years and
gets driven everywhere. I can guarantee
they have no idea who Monica Lewinsky is
or Jennifer Flowers or that Hill was in charge
of the Bimbo Eruptions in the WH. If she
runs, they'll see all Granny Hill's skeletons
rattling in her closet.
http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/20525/
Quote: EvenBobIt could be worse, we could get this.
And this pic is a couple years old.
69 in 2016, 70 the year she gets
sworn in. Shudder..
Thanks, playing right into the Hillary playbook.
Please keep it up and drive all the Women voters to Clinton:-)
How do you thing Angela Merkel won, women voters.
I think evenbob does this to insure a Clinton Presidency :-)
Quote: terapined
I think evenbob does this to insure a Clinton Presidency :-)
If god existed, even he couldn't do that.
Her ship sailed in 2008 and she wasn't
on it. Too old, too uggo, too inexperienced.
Rush had a great line today, Hill has all
the speaking ability of a parrot. All she
does is repeat Dem talking points, she's
just not all that bright. Even her last book
and book tour were huge failures, the
country has Clinton fatigue and will be even
worse after two more years of Obummer.
Quote: EvenBobIf god existed, even he couldn't do that.
Her ship sailed in 2008 and she wasn't
on it. Too old, too uggo, too inexperienced.
Rush had a great line today, Hill has all
the speaking ability of a parrot. All she
does is repeat Dem talking points, she's
just not all that bright. Even her last book
and book tour were huge failures, the
country has Clinton fatigue and will be even
worse after two more years of Obummer.
Ok, money talks
http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/us-politics/us-presidential-election-2016/winner
The smart money is on Clinton.
Hmm, evenbob just has a bunch of longshots to pick from :-)
Odds makers deal with reality.
Quote: terapinedOk, money talks
http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/us-politics/us-presidential-election-2016/winner
The smart money is on Clinton.
Hmm, evenbob just has a bunch of longshots to pick from :-)
Odds makers deal with reality.
I don't think that is realistic. I would gladly take a bet against Clinton if she wins the Dem. Primaries. Her chances of winning against any moderate Republican are slim to none.
The only way she may have a good chance is if some super Evaleglical loon somehow wins the primary. But luckily there are a lot of popular Republicans right now in the spotlight.
Quote: EvenBob
If god existed, even he couldn't do that.
Her ship sailed in 2008 and she wasn't
on it. Too old, too uggo, too inexperienced.
Rush had a great line today, Hill has all
the speaking ability of a parrot. All she
does is repeat Dem talking points, she's
just not all that bright. Even her last book
and book tour were huge failures, the
country has Clinton fatigue and will be even
worse after two more years of Obummer.
But remember Reagan is some kind of Republican god even though he was the same age when he won his first term as Clinton will be. Wonder if you will be as wrong here as you were wrong about Romney being guaranteed to win the presidency. My money is on if she wins the primary you will get to repeat your 2012 wrongness in 2016 so we have that to look forward to.
http://youtu.be/AYohyfNC1rs
Buzzard may be lurking nearby.
Quote: GandlerI would gladly take a bet against Clinton if she wins the Dem. Primaries. .
She has to win the nomination, it would be
great. They would have her running against
Obama policies because he would still be
pres and she was in his cabinet. The Right
won't repeal ObummerCare because in another
year and a half they can still rub it in the
Left's eye, the gift that keeps keeping on.
Seems like there might be some interesting and sizable forum bets shaping up. Color me interested.
Quote: pelotariThe fact that Jeb Bush is fluent in Spanish could be a major game changer here. Add in the fact that his wife of 40 years was born in Mexico, .
A Mexican first lady would be huge, and his soft
position on immigration would get him the majority
of Latino votes. A fist lady going around the country
speaking Spanish would be terrific. I still don't like
him.
Quote: EvenBobA Mexican first lady would be huge, and his soft
position on immigration would get him the majority
of Latino votes. A fist lady going around the country
speaking Spanish would be terrific. I still don't like
him.
You may not like him personally.
But politically he is good for the party.
If he runs against Hillary the victory is in the bag.
Quote: EvenBoband his soft
position on immigration would get him the majority
of Latino votes..
Tough to win a republican primary with that position.
Quote: terapinedTough to win a republican primary with that position.
Not really look at Christie and Paul, they are all soft on immigration...
At this point you have to be or you risk losing too many votes. Any candidate who wants a chance at winning the primaries has to at least appear soft on immigration.
The only candidates who are truly hard on immigration never get close to a Primary Victory (Rick Perry, etc...)
Quote: GandlerNot really look at Christie and Paul, they are all soft on immigration...
At this point you have to be or you risk losing too many votes. Any candidate who wants a chance at winning the primaries has to at least appear soft on immigration.
The only candidates who are truly hard on immigration never get close to a Primary Victory (Rick Perry, etc...)
Rick Santorum takes a pretty hard stance on immigration, a stance the tea party supports.
2012 he won 11 states in the Republican Primaries.
Quote: terapinedRick Santorum takes a pretty hard stance on immigration, a stance the tea party supports.
2012 he won 11 states in the Republican Primaries.
But also never got close to an actual victory. He stuck it out just to stay on TV.
Quote: mickeycrimmI like Bush, Christie, Jindal and Kasich. If the tea party has its way the republican nominee will be so conservative they cant win the general election.
+1 Totally agree
Quote: 1BBOne of the cars in my mini Jay Leno garage has a La Cucaracha horn. I guess I better hang on to it. Darn it, now I'm singing the song.
The cockroach, the cockroach
can no longer walk
Because he's lacking, because he doesn't have
marijuana to smoke
An odd song. Even odder to use it in cartoons.
I didn't know you were into the scene, 1BB. Respect ;)
Quote: mickeycrimmI like Bush, Christie, Jindal and Kasich. If the tea party has its way the republican nominee will be so conservative they cant win the general election.
Yeah, all the talk about the Constitution and self-reliance will instantly turn off 47% of the voters.
Quote: AZDuffmanYeah, all the talk about the Constitution and self-reliance will instantly turn off 47% of the voters.
Yeah that's what turned people off not the anti-gay, anti-immigrant, anti-choice crap or having a man born rich talking about having to pull yourself up by your bootstraps by getting a loan from mommy and daddy or how about would be senators talking about how you cannot get pregnant by rape and even if you do it is a gift from god. No the turn off was about the constitution and self reliance. If the GOP keeps thinking that way they can have fun never again winning the presidency.
Quote: AZDuffmanYeah, all the talk about the Constitution and self-reliance will instantly turn off 47% of the voters.
It would be interesting to take a poll and see how many members have actually read the constitution?
After all "it's just a piece of paper".
Quote: AZDuffmanYeah, all the talk about the Constitution and self-reliance will instantly turn off 47% of the voters.
I think this 47% thing is all trumped up because it includes minor children and Social Security recipients. Take those two groups out of the equation and tell me what the number is.
Quote: TwirdmanYeah that's what turned people off not the anti-gay, anti-immigrant, anti-choice crap or having a man born rich talking about having to pull yourself up by your bootstraps by getting a loan from mommy and daddy or how about would be senators talking about how you cannot get pregnant by rape and even if you do it is a gift from god. No the turn off was about the constitution and self reliance. If the GOP keeps thinking that way they can have fun never again winning the presidency.
Seems to me you are talking about something other than Tea Party positions. And I do not see any anti-gay positions in the Tea Party, unless you believe wanting to keep marriage between one man and one woman as is natural is anti-gay.
OTOH, the response from liberals to self-reliance is to say "you didn't build that, someone else did that" and "corporations do not create jobs" so I think it is clear which side sits where. One man in the election built himself up on his own and created wealth for many people, the other spent his life in government and attacked said wealth while for years bragging about how much money he himself had.
As long as we have 47% who do not believe in self-reliance you are right, the GOP will face an uphill fight. 2008 proved even with the worst economy in 54 years they will buy whatever their benefactors are selling.
Quote: AZDuffmanSeems to me you are talking about something other than Tea Party positions. And I do not see any anti-gay positions in the Tea Party, unless you believe wanting to keep marriage between one man and one woman as is natural is anti-gay.
OTOH, the response from liberals to self-reliance is to say "you didn't build that, someone else did that" and "corporations do not create jobs" so I think it is clear which side sits where. One man in the election built himself up on his own and created wealth for many people, the other spent his life in government and attacked said wealth while for years bragging about how much money he himself had.
As long as we have 47% who do not believe in self-reliance you are right, the GOP will face an uphill fight. 2008 proved even with the worst economy in 54 years they will buy whatever their benefactors are selling.
Well here is a Tea party candidate literally endorsing stoning of gays http://kfor.com/2014/06/10/oklahoma-political-candidate-expresses-extreme-views-on-homosexuality/ . Also what is natural about one man and one woman it is somewhat the norm in recent European history though even then for most of that you actually just had cohabitation without official marriage, but numerous other cultures throughout the world have different customs as related to polygamy both polygyny and in rare cases polyandry, homosexual marriage, along with many other contrasting positions that don't fit into modern views of marriage such as the possession of non-married concubines. You can argue well they are just Christian and are protecting biblical marriage but again bible makes no mention of 1 man and 1 woman look how many wives Solomon had or look at the fact after David was married he sent the husband of someone he was interested in to the front lines to die so he could marry the widow. There is also if a widow has no child she is supposed to marry the eldest brother of her husband don't see many mention of that. Divorce pretty strongly condemned in the New Testament very little call to end divorce, but of course the line in the sand is gays getting married.
Also you are either ignorant or knowingly taking the "you didn't build that, someone else did that" quote out of context since it has repeatedly been pointed out he was clearly talking about the infrastructure and other communal resources used to help to get you where you are today.
In 2002 Romney said this
Tonight we cheer the Olympians, who only yesterday were children themselves. As we watch them over the next 16 days, we affirm that our aspirations, and those of our children and grandchildren, can become reality. We salute you Olympians – both because you dreamed and because you paid the price to make your dreams real. You guys pushed yourself, drove yourself, sacrificed, trained and competed time and again at winning and losing.
You Olympians, however, know you didn't get here solely on your own power. For most of you, loving parents, sisters or brothers, encouraged your hopes, coaches guided, communities built venues in order to organize competitions. All Olympians stand on the shoulders of those who lifted them. We've already cheered the Olympians, let's also cheer the parents, coaches, and communities. All right!
No one took that to mean OMG he clearly thinks the Olympians did nothing people took his words as what they meant that the Olympians just like the business owner was helped along the way.
But keep pounding that and the Benghazi drum it worked so well in 2012 when it was fresh news so 4 years will only have made it more potent.
Quote: TwirdmanWell here is a Tea party candidate literally endorsing stoning of gays http://kfor.com/2014/06/10/oklahoma-political-candidate-expresses-extreme-views-on-homosexuality/ .
And I can find as many extreme positions on Democrats making crazy statements as you like as well, right down to Obama talking about how much he liked cocaine. Your point is?
Quote:Divorce pretty strongly condemned in the New Testament very little call to end divorce, but of course the line in the sand is gays getting married.
Divorce is not condemned. Remarriage is what is condemned, or the idea of throwing your old wife away to take a new one.
Quote:Also you are either ignorant or knowingly taking the "you didn't build that, someone else did that" quote out of context since it has repeatedly been pointed out he was clearly talking about the infrastructure and other communal resources used to help to get you where you are today.
No, I am taking what he said and what he meant. If "infrastructure" built businesses then everyone will succeed. Obama clearly has disdain for people who make something of themselves on their own, listen to what he said as well as reading it and it is clear as day.
Quote:No one took that to mean OMG he clearly thinks the Olympians did nothing people took his words as what they meant that the Olympians just like the business owner was helped along the way.
The difference is Mitt did not say, "you didn't make it, someone else did it for you." Obama said "someone else did that."
Quote: AZDuffmanSeems to me you are talking about something other than Tea Party positions. And I do not see any anti-gay positions in the Tea Party, unless you believe wanting to keep marriage between one man and one woman as is natural is anti-gay.
OTOH, the response from liberals to self-reliance is to say "you didn't build that, someone else did that" and "corporations do not create jobs" so I think it is clear which side sits where. One man in the election built himself up on his own and created wealth for many people, the other spent his life in government and attacked said wealth while for years bragging about how much money he himself had.
As long as we have 47% who do not believe in self-reliance you are right, the GOP will face an uphill fight. 2008 proved even with the worst economy in 54 years they will buy whatever their benefactors are selling.
Strictly speaking the Tea Party should not be anti gay nor should it be religious.
If they are constitutionalists as they claim, they should not want marriage of any kind regulated or restricted by the Federal Government (as some members push for). Nor should they allow religious texts have any influence on our laws (as the constitution mandates).
If the tea party was truly a follower of the constitution I would be a supporter. However, they are not, at least not anymore, somehow the Evangelicals took control of a lot of the movements. This is why I am a NeoConservative Republican, and why I like Bush (Jeb Bush that is). No rational person should be against homosexual rights or care what the bible says (when it comes to political policy). Our Founding Fathers were very clear when they said how much influence religion should have on our laws : None
Quote: AZDuffmanAnd I can find as many extreme positions on Democrats making crazy statements as you like as well, right down to Obama talking about how much he liked cocaine. Your point is?
Are you honestly comparing snorting and liking cocaine to stoning gays. Sure I guess in some convulated crazy way altering your mind and body is like violently executing someone.
Quote:Divorce is not condemned. Remarriage is what is condemned, or the idea of throwing your old wife away to take a new one.
Divorce condemned "It has been said, 'Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.' But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adulteress, and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery.
Divorce condemned 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.' So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."
Old testament divorce condemned "I hate divorce," says the LORD God of Israel, "and I hate a man's covering himself with violence as well as with his garment," says the LORD Almighty. So guard yourself in your spirit, and do not break faith.
But you know even neglecting all that I also don't see many of these protect biblical/traditional marriage folks don't condemn remarriage. Hell Newt Gingrich is against gay marriage because of Jesus and isn't he on his 3rd mistress/wife. Wonder if he'll get to a 4th.
Quote:No, I am taking what he said and what he meant. If "infrastructure" built businesses then everyone will succeed. Obama clearly has disdain for people who make something of themselves on their own, listen to what he said as well as reading it and it is clear as day.
You confuse necessary with sufficient. For instance I can say you need water to live and this is true. Responding if "water" kept you alive then no one would be dead is nonsensical since water is not sufficient for immortality. Similarly these infrastructures and police are necessary for a business to thrive and people to be sucessful but it is in no way sufficient nor did he say those things were again he are either being ignorant or willfully misrepresenting what he is saying.
Quote: Gandler
If he runs against Hillary the victory is in the bag.
I don't think Hill will get nominated. Seeing
her old saggy sourpuss face on the screen
day after day will turn people off. She's not
smart, not funny, not a good speaker, not
personable. She's married to Bill, that's all
she has going for her. Not enough.
Think about that. If she wasn't married to
Bill Clinton, would anybody even be talking
about her? Hell no. And that's somebody we
want as president? Good god..
Quote: EvenBobI don't think Hill will get nominated..
Why do the oddsmakers have her close to even money and every else a long shot?
Oddsmakers are taking real money bets on this.
They are in the business of evaluating betting props realisticly so to make money or break even.
How can these people have it so wrong?
Are you making a killing with the London Bookies?
Or are the bookies going to make a killing off of you :-)
Quote: EvenBob
Think about that. If she wasn't married to
Bill Clinton, would anybody even be talking
about her? Hell no. And that's somebody we
want as president? Good god..
Well, some people would be talking about her. Surely she would have worked her way up to office manager somewhere and everyone would be complaining about having to deal with her.
She has zero in the way of people-skills.
Quote: AZDuffman
She has zero in the way of people-skills.
If she runs and we have to see her
in debate after debate, it will become
obvious she's not that bright or likable.
People on the inside say she was a
horror in the WH. She would scream
and yell and demean subordinates in
front of others, she even had a rule that
nobody was to make eye contact with
her in the halls. She treated the military
in the WH like servants, not letting them wear
their uniforms. People were terrified
of her, she's a shrill tyrant.
Quote: EvenBobIf she runs and we have to see her
in debate after debate, it will become
obvious she's not that bright or likable.
People on the inside say she was a
horror in the WH. She would scream
and yell and demean subordinates in
front of others, she even had a rule that
nobody was to make eye contact with
her in the halls. She treated the military
in the WH like servants, not letting wear
their uniforms. People were terrified
of her, she's a shrill tyrant.
Fine, don't vote for the next President of the United States :-)
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