News Channel Bias
Quote: terapinedYes very noble yet in the same post below, quite the opposite reaction
Interesting the duality of the thoughts in 1 post after a reorginazation by me.
Another duality, you are a gambler that hates AP's.
You are a gambler that supports Harrahs taking down a teenage female and breaking the nose.
The duality of your thoughts fascinate me.
Not duality in the slightest.
I 100% support RN and AJ to be aired. However, I will exercise my free speech rights to mock them. They are Government Run News agencies with an agenda.
I don't hate APs in the slightest. I know many APs (including some close friends). I am not sure why you say that?
Yes, I still side with CET as far as removing a counter refusing to show is ID when cashing out 5k. He was handcuffed until police arrived. Hardly sounds abusive to me.... I support property rights.
There is no duality at all. I am a NeoConservative. I support free speech, gun rights, property rights, strong defense and proactive intervention. My views are and have always been consistent to my philosophy.
"In Britain, it's not just no-go zones, there are actual cities like Birmingham that are totally Muslim where non-Muslims just simply don't go in," he said.
Wow, what a statement. You cant make this stuff up.
His excuse for this absurd statement.
"I had relied on other sources because I should have been much more careful"
My question, what was his source regarding this nonsense?
Quote: terapinedSteve Emerson of Foxnews
"In Britain, it's not just no-go zones, there are actual cities like Birmingham that are totally Muslim where non-Muslims just simply don't go in," he said.
Wow, what a statement. You cant make this stuff up.
His excuse for this absurd statement.
"I had relied on other sources because I should have been much more careful"
My question, what was his source regarding this nonsense?
That is an exaggeration.
But there is a very large Muslim population in UK. And many neighborhoods that for all practical reason are Muslim only... France is similar...
Where is it documented that Emerson is an employee of the Fox News Channel? He has been an employee of CNN and done programs for PBS. Maybe there is some confusion here.Quote: terapinedSteve Emerson of Foxnews
Quote: GandlerThat is an exaggeration.
But there is a very large Muslim population in UK. And many neighborhoods that for all practical reason are Muslim only... France is similar...
Correct, there are such ghettos that even the cops do not enter. The lamestream media and public has ignored this for some time. The USA is probably only 20 years behind Europe in this ghettoization.
Don't worry, in 6 months muslims will again be a sacred group to liberals and the media and their march on western culture and values will continue as if nothing happened. The Obama Administration didn't even bother acting like we were unified in the struggle.
Quote: SanchoPanzaWhere is it documented that Emerson is an employee of the Fox News Channel? He has been an employee of CNN and done programs for PBS. Maybe there is some confusion here.
Sorry, miss type
Instead of "of", meant "on".
anyway
I send people to BHX all the time for business. His statement was totally absurd.
From his Wiki page below
In response to these comments, British Prime Minister David Cameron said that he "choked on his porridge" when he heard them and observed that Emerson was "clearly a complete idiot".[71][56] Local MP Gisela Stuart described Emerson's remarks as "stupid" and that they had "no redeeming features".[72]
Emerson issued an apology for his misinformation stating, "I have clearly made a terrible error for which I am deeply sorry. My comments about Birmingham were totally in error." He further added that he would make a donation to a charity in Birmingham and also place a newspaper ad in Birmingham.[73] It was also reported that Birmingham City Council welcomed his apology, describing Emerson's comments as "curious" and clearly without foundation.
In other words, the whole thing is nothing more than just another everyday interview with a news maker on a television network, quite a few of which include mistakes and misstatements. Nothing more or less. I doubt that we would want to catalog in any way such failures. Even WOV would pale beside such an endeavor.Quote: terapinedSorry, miss type Instead of "of", meant "on".
Quote: SanchoPanzaIn other words, the whole thing is nothing more than just another everyday interview with a news maker on a television network, quite a few of which include mistakes and misstatements. Nothing more or less. I doubt that we would want to catalog in any way such failures. Even WOV would pale beside such an endeavor.
Actually you do categorize such failures as indicative of a poor network when the guy is called in as an expert in the field like he was. Also this wasn't a misstatement this was an incorrect ignorant statement. I mean given Birmingham has only a 22% Muslim rate you'd have to be the height of ignorance to think that its a place non-Muslims dare not go.
I mean if any news station called on an expert of say astronomy who claimed that the Sun revolved around the Earth not only what the idiot be mocked but so would the network that hosted him and this is on a similar level of ignorance to that,
Quote: TwirdmanActually you do categorize such failures as indicative of a poor network when the guy is called in as an expert in the field like he was. Also this wasn't a misstatement this was an incorrect ignorant statement. I mean given Birmingham has only a 22% Muslim rate you'd have to be the height of ignorance to think that its a place non-Muslims dare not go.
Just because the entire city has a 22% rate does not mean that the 22% is spread uniformly around town. The 22% is probably really 99%+ in some of the areas that are "no go."
I have read about these "no go" areas for almost 10 years now, I have been wondering when the lamestreams would report them and the sheep would care.
Quote: AZDuffmanJust because the entire city has a 22% rate does not mean that the 22% is spread uniformly around town. The 22% is probably really 99%+ in some of the areas that are "no go."
I have read about these "no go" areas for almost 10 years now, I have been wondering when the lamestreams would report them and the sheep would care.
This is very true.
It's standard policy for even ambulances to have at least one police escort in these neighborhoods as they wont let non Muslim paramedics take their people in some cases and will attack them.
The same with Fire crews. They have attacked fire crews for putting out fires on buildings.
Quote: AZDuffmanJust because the entire city has a 22% rate does not mean that the 22% is spread uniformly around town. The 22% is probably really 99%+ in some of the areas that are "no go."
I have read about these "no go" areas for almost 10 years now, I have been wondering when the lamestreams would report them and the sheep would care.
He said Birmingham though not areas of Birmingham. Also so what if certain areas are majority Muslim that is basically how all minorities congregate in new countries. Hence the developments of Little Italy, Chinatown, and a whole host of other ones for other minority groups. There are areas of the US which are majorly Filipino and no one really mentions or cares about them. Yet for some reason Muslims congregating together is somehow the end of civilization as we know it.
Quote: TwirdmanHe said Birmingham though not areas of Birmingham. Also so what if certain areas are majority Muslim that is basically how all minorities congregate in new countries. Hence the developments of Little Italy, Chinatown, and a whole host of other ones for other minority groups. There are areas of the US which are majorly Filipino and no one really mentions or cares about them. Yet for some reason Muslims congregating together is somehow the end of civilization as we know it.
There is a reason emergancy services require a police escort In some Muslim neighborhoods.
Quote: TwirdmanHe said Birmingham though not areas of Birmingham. Also so what if certain areas are majority Muslim that is basically how all minorities congregate in new countries. Hence the developments of Little Italy, Chinatown, and a whole host of other ones for other minority groups. There are areas of the US which are majorly Filipino and no one really mentions or cares about them. Yet for some reason Muslims congregating together is somehow the end of civilization as we know it.
If a person does not see what the problem is with these muslim no-go zones they are either naive or blind.
PC and fear of being called "racist" are going to be the downfall of the west. Sometime someone has to explain to me why muslims deserve all this special consideration the get from liberals.
Quote: AZDuffmanIf a person does not see what the problem is with these muslim no-go zones they are either naive or blind.
PC and fear of being called "racist" are going to be the downfall of the west. Sometime someone has to explain to me why muslims deserve all this special consideration the get from liberals.
No I don't see any problem with a majority Muslim area just like I don't see a problem with a majority Filipino area. You act like non-Muslims cannot go to these areas which is just false. These areas just happen to be areas where Muslims congregated and I don't see why that's a bad thing unless you think that any time Muslims get together they are plotting. These areas are no different then any place like Little China where groups of similar immigrants congregate.
Hell lets go with the example of groups of Orthodox Jews living in Israel or even New York these "no go" areas are no different then those and no one really complains about those.
Quote: AZDuffmanIf a person does not see what the problem is with these muslim no-go zones they are either naive or blind.
PC and fear of being called "racist" are going to be the downfall of the west. Sometime someone has to explain to me why muslims deserve all this special consideration the get from liberals.
Not my idea to see minorities or sects of a religion collect in one area. One reason we've gone to the trouble in the US to fight housing discrimination is so anyone who can pay the rent or buy the house can move to any neighborhood they want to without being shut out.
I don't know whether France has actively pursued that end or not. If you set up road blocks to people moving out of these communities, they certainly are likely to stay isolated.
I think if the US was allowed to go down the road of separatist communities through active discrimination we'd be on our way to splitting the Union again at some point.
People don't necessarily get along forced together, but it seems it could be even worse. Generally you can still cross state lines and not feel you've entered another country. (generally)
Anyone who lives in a culturally tight community, should be able to move out as easily if they choose, not feel isolated.
Quote: TwirdmanYou act like non-Muslims cannot go to these areas which is just false.
No, non-muslims enter these areas at considerable personal peril. The cops are afraid to enter. Why do you think they are called "no go?"
Quote:These areas just happen to be areas where Muslims congregated and I don't see why that's a bad thing unless you think that any time Muslims get together they are plotting. These areas are no different then any place like Little China where groups of similar immigrants congregate.
If you do not see why it is bad then you with all due respect really need to open your eyes. Have you seen what has been happening? Have you seen the cries of "FREEDOM, GO TO HELL!" by muslims? Little China is not doing that.
FWIW, yes, when and where muslims congregate I see problems. Get out of the suburbs and you might as well.
Quote: rxwineNot my idea to see minorities or sects of a religion collect in one area. One reason we've gone to the trouble in the US to fight housing discrimination is so anyone who can pay the rent or buy the house can move to any neighborhood they want to without being shut out.
I don't know whether France has actively pursued that end or not. If you set up road blocks to people moving out of these communities, they certainly are likely to stay isolated.
I think, and this is just think, what has happened in France is muslims just supercharged the ghettoization that happens in the USA. For example, Canal Street in Manhattan used to divide Little Italy and Chinatown. Crossing from one to the other took your well-being into danger. Italians did not want to go into a neighborhood of "slants." Chinese knew mafioso tolerated tourists but little else. This was into the 1970s! So in France I think areas were simply block-busted street by street and next thing you know the area was radicalized.
Quote:I think if the US was allowed to go down the road of separatist communities through active discrimination we'd be on our way to splitting the Union again at some point.
People don't necessarily get along forced together, but it seems it could be even worse. Generally you can still cross state lines and not feel you've entered another country. (generally)
I am at the point where I think it will split and after a split things may be better. Regardless of the treatment of the Indians in the 1800s one thing was true, the two communities could not live side-by-side. I think it was the Cherokee saw the writing on the wall and tried to live American even in frame houses. But a hunter-gatherer tribal system alongside American, nuclear families. Would never have worked. I was told in a history class that after the Civil War there was idle talk of rounding up all the blacks and putting them in a few back-majority states.
Today we are not that far from all of this. A northeastern liberal may think they are leaving the USA if they go to NASCARland. When I went to SF a few years back it felt as if the BART took you not through a tunnel but through a wormhole to a parallel dimension. And it isn't "state" lines. People in Binghamton will feel more in common with those in Scranton than those in Medford. Speaking of the later, that island is another place that just feels so different when you travel just a bit.
Quote:Anyone who lives in a culturally tight community, should be able to move out as easily if they choose, not feel isolated.
But they usually do not want to leave. When they do the culture clash can be amazing.
Quote: rxwineNot my idea to see minorities or sects of a religion collect in one area. One reason we've gone to the trouble in the US to fight housing discrimination is so anyone who can pay the rent or buy the house can move to any neighborhood they want to without being shut out.
I don't know whether France has actively pursued that end or not. If you set up road blocks to people moving out of these communities, they certainly are likely to stay isolated.
I think if the US was allowed to go down the road of separatist communities through active discrimination we'd be on our way to splitting the Union again at some point.
People don't necessarily get along forced together, but it seems it could be even worse. Generally you can still cross state lines and not feel you've entered another country. (generally)
Anyone who lives in a culturally tight community, should be able to move out as easily if they choose, not feel isolated.
They want to feel isolated.
Nobody is setting up roadblocks except for their community leaders who want their own Islam only areas...
Nobody is asking America to formalize discrimination. Everyone who is against these communities wants people to live normally in diverse America, not in secluded communities.
Quote: AZDuffmanNo, non-muslims enter these areas at considerable personal peril. The cops are afraid to enter. Why do you think they are called "no go?"
If you do not see why it is bad then you with all due respect really need to open your eyes. Have you seen what has been happening? Have you seen the cries of "FREEDOM, GO TO HELL!" by muslims? Little China is not doing that.
FWIW, yes, when and where muslims congregate I see problems. Get out of the suburbs and you might as well.
They aren't called no go areas the French word for them is Sensitive Urban Zones which does not just apply to just Muslim areas and involves things like poverty and areas that need more work and rehabilitation. The notion your talking about doesn't exist http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/nogozones.asp . These areas are policed just like any other area.
Also the right wing love to complain about OMG forcing to wear a burka in certain Muslim areas, which sure is total bull, but don't complain at all when orthodox areas of Israel which used to segregate buses and force modest dress up until 2 years ago, again total bull, and stoned buses once genders were integrated and yet the right wing is surprisingly quite about that.
Muslims congregating are no worse then any other group.
Quote: TwirdmanThey aren't called no go areas the French word for them is Sensitive Urban Zones which does not just apply to just Muslim areas and involves things like poverty and areas that need more work and rehabilitation. The notion your talking about doesn't exist http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/nogozones.asp . These areas are policed just like any other area.
Call them whatever you want, the danger is still the same. Just be careful, the freedoms you lose may be your own.
Quote:Muslims congregating are no worse then any other group.
Again, get out of the suburbs once in awhile. Reality says different. Ignoring problems does not make them go away.
Quote: TwirdmanThey aren't called no go areas the French word for them is Sensitive Urban Zones which does not just apply to just Muslim areas and involves things like poverty and areas that need more work and rehabilitation. The notion your talking about doesn't exist http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/nogozones.asp . These areas are policed just like any other area.
Also the right wing love to complain about OMG forcing to wear a burka in certain Muslim areas, which sure is total bull, but don't complain at all when orthodox areas of Israel which used to segregate buses and force modest dress up until 2 years ago, again total bull, and stoned buses once genders were integrated and yet the right wing is surprisingly quite about that.
Muslims congregating are no worse then any other group.
Thanks for the correction.
I thought the idea that there are "no go zones" was absurd.
Quote: AZDuffmanCall them whatever you want, the danger is still the same. Just be careful, the freedoms you lose may be your own.
Again, get out of the suburbs once in awhile. Reality says different. Ignoring problems does not make them go away.
So once your wrong just say who cares I'm still right. You implied there were areas where cops don't go and that is false. I mean these areas are similar in nature to areas like Compton or Baton Rouge or any other high crime area of the US and do people really consider those no go areas.
Also what makes them so dangerous that isn't present in other groups. Muslim commits a terrorist act and its an indictment against all Muslims making them horribly dangerous people and when Christians do the same well they are clearly just lone actors. Also there are plenty of Christians who are against freedom of speech and in the US there are far more of them then Muslims so shouldn't I fear them more then the Muslims?
Quote:Also what makes them so dangerous that isn't present in other groups. Muslim commits a terrorist act and its an indictment against all Muslims making them horribly dangerous people and when Christians do the same well they are clearly just lone actors.
If a Muslim robs a liquor store that is totally unrelated to being Muslim. However, if somebody commits a crime obviously inspired by their religion, then it matters.
Violent Jihad is a religiously inspired crime, so their religion matters.
Killing homosexuals (which is practiced legally in 10 Muslim countries to this day) is an Islam inspired crime.
Quote:Also there are plenty of Christians who are against freedom of speech and in the US there are far more of them then Muslims so shouldn't I fear them more then the Muslims?
Which Christian has killed because somebody published a comic that they disagreed with?
Christians are dangerous as far as discriminating against homosexuals and contraception rights. However, I don't worry about getting killed by Christians.
Christians are dangerous to academia when they force our professors to teach creationism and scrap evolution. (though some Muslims do this as well, not so much in America though).
Christians may be legally and academically "dangerous", but they are not going to behead you for mocking them.
Make a video of yourself urinating on a bible. And then a few months later urinating on a Koran. And see which group attacks you.
You should fear Muslims more. This is a statistical fact. It is not a prejudice. It is a post-judice, we have seen the statistics, we have read the message of the extremists, and seen what happens to people who mock them.
Look at Charlie Hedbo. This is far from an isolated incident. It just happened in France. In some countries, critics get killed everyday and you will never hear about it. In some countries homosexuals get killed regularly. In some countries Anti-Jewish cartoons are the norm.
Quote: AZDuffmanCall them whatever you want, the danger is still the same. Just be careful, the freedoms you lose may be your own.
I walk into a redneck bar , could easily lose my all my freedoms in the good ol USA. I also know to stay out of the VFA bars here in the USA. I know the Viet Nam vets would not appreciate my presence. Very dangerous for somebody born in Asia.
Quote: terapinedI walk into a redneck bar , could easily lose my all my freedoms in the good ol USA. I also know to stay out of the VFA bars here in the USA. I know the Viet Nam vets would not appreciate my presence. Very dangerous for somebody born in Asia.
That is utter nonsense. As somebody in the VFW (I assume that's what you meant), who also knows endless amount of Asian vets in the VFW and in general, no VFW bar would prohibit an Asian (or anyone else) from joining.
Racism is not permitted in any VFW.
I have seen quite a few VFW chapters where minorities make up most of the members. Nobody is going to jump somebody for being Asian. VFW would welcome any veteran with open arms. In fact if somebody acted racist against a Vet or even made mean comments, at a VFW, they would be the one everybody there jumped...
I live in a dry town, so the VFW bar is the only bar that many can get to, and many are welcomed, even non veterans sometimes. Very accepting and pleasant atmosphere (especially compared to college bars... where fights and nasty comments are common).
Quote: Twirdman
Also what makes them so dangerous that isn't present in other groups. Muslim commits a terrorist act and its an indictment against all Muslims making them horribly dangerous people and when Christians do the same well they are clearly just lone actors. Also there are plenty of Christians who are against freedom of speech and in the US there are far more of them then Muslims so shouldn't I fear them more then the Muslims?
So, there are Christians blowing things up and yelling "GOD IS GOOD!" thinking that is their trip to heaven?
No, you should not fear the Christians because they are not taught that non-believers should be killed.
Quote: terapinedI walk into a redneck bar , could easily lose my all my freedoms in the good ol USA. I also know to stay out of the VFA bars here in the USA. I know the Viet Nam vets would not appreciate my presence. Very dangerous for somebody born in Asia.
The "redneck bar" is simply a bar where working folks go. They are not demanding you change your life to conform to their beliefs. Muslims, OTOH, are demanding sharia law and other accommodations.
Back to the "redneck bar" whatever that is supposed to mean, bars cater to a kind of crowd. If you do not belong, go to another bar. I have been met at the door and been told my presence was not wanted. I am not going to walk into a Browns-Backers bar with a Steeler shirt. I am not going to go into a gay bar at all. If you do not like the bar, go somewhere else. We are not talking about bars, we are talking about society.
Virtually never happens at CNN, MSNBC or the big three,, not to mention the totally amateur local stations.Quote: TwirdmanActually you do categorize such failures as indicative of a poor network when the guy is called in as an expert in the field like he was.
Quote: GandlerIf a Muslim robs a liquor store that is totally unrelated to being Muslim. However, if somebody commits a crime obviously inspired by their religion, then it matters.
Violent Jihad is a religiously inspired crime, so their religion matters.
Killing homosexuals (which is practiced legally in 10 Muslim countries to this day) is an Islam inspired crime.
Which Christian has killed because somebody published a comic that they disagreed with?
Christians are dangerous as far as discriminating against homosexuals and contraception rights. However, I don't worry about getting killed by Christians.
Christians are dangerous to academia when they force our professors to teach creationism and scrap evolution. (though some Muslims do this as well, not so much in America though).
Christians may be legally and academically "dangerous", but they are not going to behead you for mocking them.
Make a video of yourself urinating on a bible. And then a few months later urinating on a Koran. And see which group attacks you.
You should fear Muslims more. This is a statistical fact. It is not a prejudice. It is a post-judice, we have seen the statistics, we have read the message of the extremists, and seen what happens to people who mock them.
Look at Charlie Hedbo. This is far from an isolated incident. It just happened in France. In some countries, critics get killed everyday and you will never hear about it. In some countries homosexuals get killed regularly. In some countries Anti-Jewish cartoons are the norm.
Not murder but there were numerous death threats related to Piss Christ. Also are you really arguing that Christians don't kill people? What about the large number of abortion clinic bombings. Or there are the multiple cases of Christians attacking Musllims especially in the wake of 9/11 and not even just Muslims people who vaguely look almost kind of Muslim like Sikh, example the Sikh Temple shooting. There have been attacks against more liberal churches and other churches they disagree with. Along with many others.
Also what statistical facts back up that I should fear Muslims more. Terrorism is a statistical anomaly that can basically be ignored as a chance of death, it is less then the chance of being struck by lighting something I also don't really fear.
Quote: Twirdman
Also what statistical facts back up that I should fear Muslims more. Terrorism is a statistical anomaly that can basically be ignored as a chance of death, it is less then the chance of being struck by lighting something I also don't really fear.
RIGHT, muslims do not threaten or carry out terror.
AND THERE IS NO PROBLEM WHEN THEY CONGREGATE!
Quote: TwirdmanNot murder but there were numerous death threats related to Piss Christ. Also are you really arguing that Christians don't kill people? What about the large number of abortion clinic bombings. Or there are the multiple cases of Christians attacking Musllims especially in the wake of 9/11 and not even just Muslims people who vaguely look almost kind of Muslim like Sikh, example the Sikh Temple shooting. There have been attacks against more liberal churches and other churches they disagree with. Along with many others.
Also what statistical facts back up that I should fear Muslims more. Terrorism is a statistical anomaly that can basically be ignored as a chance of death, it is less then the chance of being struck by lighting something I also don't really fear.
People get death threats over video game reviews on youtube. Actually nowadays its probably hard to find a single youtube video with over 1k views where there is not at least one "I hope you die idiot" type comment... There is a huge difference between angry threats, and actually plotting mass murder.
You mean the one abortion clinic bombing in 1984? Again, not sanctioned by the bible, they actually violated the doctrine of the bible.
It depends where you live. If you are openly gay in Iran you should be very scared as your life will be ending soon.
Of course Christians kill people. But it violates their doctrine. You cannot be a Christian terrorists and strictly live by the word of Christ. Whereas if you are a Jihadist not only does it not violate the Doctrine of Islam, it is the strict following of Islam.
Many atheist scholars such as Sam Harris, and Christopher Hitchens have said terrorism is the best representation of strict Islam.
"The only problem with Islamic Fundamentalists, are the fundamentals of Islam" - Sam Harris.
Anyone can be violent or commit a crime. However, some philosophies encourage it.
Actually just saw this Murray clip. This is great relating to Charlie Hebdo. Murray rips apart AJ.
Quote: AZDuffmanIf a person does not see what the problem is with these muslim no-go zones they are either naive or blind.
A very concise definition of the white leftists of the Western world.
Quote: GandlerPeople get death threats over video game reviews on youtube. Actually nowadays its probably hard to find a single youtube video with over 1k views where there is not at least one "I hope you die idiot" type comment... There is a huge difference between angry threats, and actually plotting mass murder.
You mean the one abortion clinic bombing in 1984? Again, not sanctioned by the bible, they actually violated the doctrine of the bible.
It depends where you live. If you are openly gay in Iran you should be very scared as your life will be ending soon.
Of course Christians kill people. But it violates their doctrine. You cannot be a Christian terrorists and strictly live by the word of Christ. Whereas if you are a Jihadist not only does it not violate the Doctrine of Islam, it is the strict following of Islam.
Many atheist scholars such as Sam Harris, and Christopher Hitchens have said terrorism is the best representation of strict Islam.
"The only problem with Islamic Fundamentalists, are the fundamentals of Islam" - Sam Harris.
Anyone can be violent or commit a crime. However, some philosophies encourage it.
1 abortion clinic bombing your joking right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence#Arson.2C_bombing.2C_and_property_crime 41 bombings and 173 cases of arson including 1 that happened as recently as 2012 but surely that is just 1 case in 1984. This again ignores the murders which have happened as recently as 2009 or the church shootings which have happened also relatively recently but hey just ignore anything that doesn't fit your world view right. Also that is the height of no true Scotsman fallacy. The way you interpret Christianity prohibits violence so all those who commit violence are clearly not living according to the word of Christ, but Muslim is a violent barbaric religion and they are just following it. Never mind the fact that the bible has many instances of calls to violence especially if you include the old testament and the fact Jesus said those old laws were still intact never mind the fact that Muslims condemn these acts of violence as not being of Islam. Clearly you are granted special powers to decide exactly what is real Christianity and real Islam and can by fiat declare that 1 is purely good peaceful and righteous while the other is violent and barbaric.
Edit: Another thing I forgot to mention the 2012 bombing was also a bombing of the exact same clinic as the 1984 bombing.
Quote: Twirdman1 abortion clinic bombing your joking right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence#Arson.2C_bombing.2C_and_property_crime 41 bombings and 173 cases of arson including 1 that happened as recently as 2012 but surely that is just 1 case in 1984. This again ignores the murders which have happened as recently as 2009 or the church shootings which have happened also relatively recently but hey just ignore anything that doesn't fit your world view right. Also that is the height of no true Scotsman fallacy. The way you interpret Christianity prohibits violence so all those who commit violence are clearly not living according to the word of Christ, but Muslim is a violent barbaric religion and they are just following it. Never mind the fact that the bible has many instances of calls to violence especially if you include the old testament and the fact Jesus said those old laws were still intact never mind the fact that Muslims condemn these acts of violence as not being of Islam. Clearly you are granted special powers to decide exactly what is real Christianity and real Islam and can by fiat declare that 1 is purely good peaceful and righteous while the other is violent and barbaric.
Edit: Another thing I forgot to mention the 2012 bombing was also a bombing of the exact same clinic as the 1984 bombing.
I am granted no special powers, but I can read chapter and verse and see what they say. The bible I have read. The Koran I have read almost (working on it).
So yes, Chrisitians who murder are acting violently.
Where in the bible does it allow broad violence?
There are some horrible parts of the bible. Slavery can certainly be justified by the bible. However, it does not allow jihad or anything
The bible is not great by any stretch of the imagination. But the Koran is just awful.
And there are numerous unbiased secular scholars who agree with my evaluation. Douglas Murray, Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris...
I am an atheist. I have nothing to prove by favoring Christianity, other than it is the only logical choice.
Quote: GandlerI am granted no special powers, but I can read chapter and verse and see what they say. The bible I have read. The Koran I have read almost (working on it).
So yes, Chrisitians who murder are acting violently.
Where in the bible does it allow broad violence?
There are some horrible parts of the bible. Slavery can certainly be justified by the bible. However, it does not allow jihad or anything
The bible is not great by any stretch of the imagination. But the Koran is just awful.
And there are numerous unbiased secular scholars who agree with my evaluation. Douglas Murray, Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris...
I am an atheist. I have nothing to prove by favoring Christianity, other than it is the only logical choice.
Again the old testament calls for the stoning of all sorts of crimes including things as innocuous as working on the sabbath Deutoronomy 13:6-10 calls for the stoning of someone who tries to convert you to another religion, or Leviticus 24:10-16 which prescribes stoning for taking the lords name in vain. The bible is not all sugar and rainbows or even just a case of some horrible parts it routinely justifies executing people for the smallest of crimes and justifies countless genocides.
Also Richard Dawkins and Hitchens don't agree with your criticism and say that Christianity doesn't do these things Hitchens called the Abrahamic faiths the axis of evil. So yeah the bible is just as vile as the Koran and unless you have some mystical connection there is no reason to trust your interpretation of what Christianity really is over any of the people who commit these atrocities. All it takes to be Christian is a belief in Jesus Christ as a savior, one could argue it takes more to be a good Christian but the fact is the people committing these acts of violence are acting in what they think the bible commands them to do and have in many cases also read the bible and took away that it justified these violent acts, not hard to do given how violent the bible is. Similarly Muslim terrorist have read a book that numerous Muslims say does not advocate violence, just like you say the bible doesn't, and have taken away a call to arms, again something fairly easy to do because the book is again a fairly violent book.
Also neither of the two are logical choices. Even if you go with Christianity is the less violent that doesn't make it a logical choice. Christianity is just as illogical as any other religion and this is even if it was a totally peaceful religion.
Quote: TwirdmanAgain the old testament calls for the stoning of all sorts of crimes including things as innocuous as working on the sabbath Deutoronomy 13:6-10 calls for the stoning of someone who tries to convert you to another religion, or Leviticus 24:10-16 which prescribes stoning for taking the lords name in vain. The bible is not all sugar and rainbows or even just a case of some horrible parts it routinely justifies executing people for the smallest of crimes and justifies countless genocides.
Also Richard Dawkins and Hitchens don't agree with your criticism and say that Christianity doesn't do these things Hitchens called the Abrahamic faiths the axis of evil. So yeah the bible is just as vile as the Koran and unless you have some mystical connection there is no reason to trust your interpretation of what Christianity really is over any of the people who commit these atrocities. All it takes to be Christian is a belief in Jesus Christ as a savior, one could argue it takes more to be a good Christian but the fact is the people committing these acts of violence are acting in what they think the bible commands them to do and have in many cases also read the bible and took away that it justified these violent acts, not hard to do given how violent the bible is. Similarly Muslim terrorist have read a book that numerous Muslims say does not advocate violence, just like you say the bible doesn't, and have taken away a call to arms, again something fairly easy to do because the book is again a fairly violent book.
Also neither of the two are logical choices. Even if you go with Christianity is the less violent that doesn't make it a logical choice. Christianity is just as illogical as any other religion and this is even if it was a totally peaceful religion.
Both are illogical. One is less dangerous. Sam Harris and Douglas Murray certainly agree.
Yes they are all bad, but some are less freedom Inhinging than others.
The bible contains much violence. That is very true. The critical difference is the bible does not encourage the spread of faith through the sword.
Getting into an argument on which book calls for more death of certain people is a bad road to go down. I can already tell you the Koran calls for more death as a punishment than the bible. Yes the bible has more "scenes" involving violent encounters. But this has nothing to do with the rules of the faith. All that matters is the tennants that are preached as rules.
Also, look at polls on how many Muslims in certain countries agree with what happened to certain artists who get killed for free expression. Even if they don't say they would personally kill them, they often say they got what they deserved.
I don't have any love for either. Christians spend a lot of time making life hard fore homosexuals. However, Islam makes life impossible for homosexuals (literally). One scares me, one is merely a road block to academic and social progress.
I suggest that you spend some time in some Islamic theocracies to see strict Islam is practice. If you expience it you will become much more "Islamaohobic" (a term I hate, because being fearful of Islam is rational, possibly the most rational political fear to have).
It seems to me you are looking at the world through bias frames. I haven't read the bible cover to cover, I have read "John" and parts of other chapters [books]. That whole thing about armageddon seemed pretty violent. Isn't there some part about going to Hell and suffering eternal damnation for lying with another man?Quote: GandlerQuote:The bible contains much violence. That is very true. The critical difference is the bible does not encourage the spread of faith through the sword.
Earlier you asked for an example of a Christian dictator who would kill for cartoons they didn't like. I almost posted, look up Pinochet in Chile, or Lobo [American front man] in Honduras, now replaced with Hernandez. Or Marcos in Haiti. More examples all over South America if you really want to find a Christian dictator who killed people for political cartoons or for just being homosexual. When a woman or whomever gets "stoned" to death in MENA, it is world news, 24/7. It is a way of life and common practice in Honduras SA. Or it's evil Muslims in Syria, but good Muslims beheading [84 last year] in Saudi. I wish you would stop with the cognitive dissonance. I can accept your homosexual bias, but not your bias against everyone of Islamic faith. Your stand to me[fear of Islam or, all of the followers are violent] is as hateful as claiming "all priests are pedophiles". The Bush regime was Christian during the " Shock and Awe of Secular Baghdad, once claimed by Bush 2, was because "they tried to kill my daddy". Try thinking from the viewpoint of an innocent muslim, if you can make yourself believe there is at least one?[sarc]Think about what it is like when everyone you know, is familiar with bombs coming from drones. I guarantee were it me, and anyone bombed my family like we are doing to them, I would pass on my contempt for the attacker for the rest of my life and wish my children to do the same. [Hatfields & McCoys anybody?] I like Chalmers Johnson's explanation of "blowback". It would be great if you could listen to this a bit [maybe if you just need help sleeping? lol]Can you find any spare time to take a look at Chalmer's Johnson? https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?type=avastbcl&hspart=avast&hsimp=yhs-001&p=Chalmer%27s+Johnson
Aren't the KKK and the White Supremacists supposed to be Christian groups?
Are you really not aware of the violence perpetrated on homosexuals in the American SW or the Appalachians by people from the "bible belt"? [That violence is usually performed by someone who identify's as being Christian] Also the violence put on black people for being black by regular Christians south of the Mason Dixon.
It seems a recurring theme of yours is protection of homosexuals? I find it ironic that although you will fight for rights of people to choose/be of their particular sexual orientation, you will almost in the same breath come out vehemently against Muslims because of their religious beliefs.You seem fine to label all or most of them as tare wrists. I find it hard to comprehend you can't see the duopoly in your thought process?
Are you under some belief that there are not Muslim homosexuals by the millions? Step back and try seeing the world from a third persons perspective or from a [metaphorical] distance. Prejudice is prejudice regardless if its against a color, religion or sexual persuasion. It seems like you feel its is perfectly ok to be "Islamophobic" but not ok to be homophobic? We become the things we hate: http://youtu.be/wW1ArQT0KH8
Are you still deployed? Can you get out and mingle a little? To me your opinion is similar to an American who has visited Tijuana or Nogales believing he has visited or understands Mexico. Or, my incorrect belief that LA, represented all of California.
The bible calls for the extinction of everyone on the planet except 12x12000.Quote:Getting into an argument on which book calls for more death of certain people is a bad road to go down. I can already tell you the Koran calls for more death as a punishment than the bible.
How can you not be aware of the violence perpetrated on gay men here in this country?Quote:I don't have any love for either. Christians spend a lot of time making life hard fore homosexuals. However, Islam makes life impossible for homosexuals (literally). One scares me,
That statement IMO is as racist, as surely as their public opinions about homosexuals is bigoted. Try being a poor orange farmer in Palestine if you want a real taste of fear,or try walking in someone else's sandles once in a while. Have your read of the violence and treachery in the Torah?Quote:I suggest that you spend some time in some Islamic theocracies to see strict Islam is practice. If you expience it you will become much more "Islamaohobic" (a term I hate, because being fearful of Islam is rational, possibly the most rational political fear to have).
Quote: Gandler
I don't have any love for either. Christians spend a lot of time making life hard fore homosexuals. However, Islam makes life impossible for homosexuals (literally). One scares me, one is merely a road block to academic and social progress.
You act as though Christian don't try to do the same thing. Uganda in 2013 passed a bill colloquially known as a kill the gays bill, now due to mounting international pressure they dropped the death penalty from it though that was the original intent of it. So the bill made being homosexual punishable by life in prison and they made aiding and abetting homosexuality also punishable by prison Uganda is not a Muslim nation and this law wasn't written by Muslim fundamentalist it was written in large part by Scott Lively an American Evangelical a quite famous anti gay minister who claimed the Nazis were homosexual. Or how about Russian laws concerning homosexuality again not Muslim laws. Hell it was only a few years ago that England finally apologized for chemically castrating Turing. So I see Christians as a bit more then a road block to academic and social progress yes they aren't actively killing homosexual as nations right now but they have in the past and they still do imprison them. Also there are still plenty of Christians who think it is perfectly OK to beat a gay man to death and gay bashing is still quite prevalent, I mean after all the bible calls for stoning.
Also again why would I fear Islam sure are plenty of Muslim countries, though most assuredly not all, absolute shit holes that practice barbaric acts yes as there are plenty of Christian nations that likewise practice acts of barbarism but that really does not effect me here at all whereas Christian bigotry and Christian crazy does affect me since we are electing people with those views to US congress which does effect my life.
Quote: petroglyphIt seems to me you are looking at the world through bias frames. I haven't read the bible cover to cover, I have read "John" and parts of other chapters [books]. That whole thing about armageddon seemed pretty violent. Isn't there some part about going to Hell and suffering eternal damnation for lying with another man?
I have. And, its a great book as far as fascinating mythology. And yes, its horrible as far as containing as lot of violence. Yes, there are a lot of people the bible states will and deserve to go to hell. However, the bible also states their god will judge. It does not encourage humans to take action into their own hands in this world.
Quote:Earlier you asked for an example of a Christian dictator who would kill for cartoons they didn't like. I almost posted, look up Pinochet in Chile, or Lobo [American front man] in Honduras, now replaced with Hernandez. Or Marcos in Haiti. More examples all over South America if you really want to find a Christian dictator who killed people for political cartoons or for just being homosexual. When a woman or whomever gets "stoned" to death in MENA, it is world news, 24/7. It is a way of life and common practice in Honduras SA. Or it's evil Muslims in Syria, but good Muslims beheading [84 last year] in Saudi. I wish you would stop with the cognitive dissonance. I can accept your homosexual bias, but not your bias against everyone of Islamic faith.
This is all very true. But irrelevant. Dictators kill people all of the time for all sorts of reasons to preserve their power and image, and anything else...
Stalin was an atheist and he was one of the worst dictators in all of history. But he was not bad because he was an atheist, he was just a power hungry person with delusions of grandeur who happened to be an atheist.
Even, Saddam Hussein , I will grant, of course he was a horrible dictator, probably one of the worst in the modern world (last 20 yearsish), and yes he was a Muslim. But he was not bad because he was a Muslim, he was power hungry, and greedy. Most of Hussein's faults had nothing to do with his religion, but everything to do with his personality and greed.
Quote:Your stand to me[fear of Islam or, all of the followers are violent] is as hateful as claiming "all priests are pedophiles". The Bush regime was Christian during the " Shock and Awe of Secular Baghdad, once claimed by Bush 2, was because "they tried to kill my daddy". Try thinking from the viewpoint of an innocent muslim, if you can make yourself believe there is at least one?[sarc]Think about what it is like when everyone you know, is familiar with bombs coming from drones. I guarantee were it me, and anyone bombed my family like we are doing to them, I would pass on my contempt for the attacker for the rest of my life and wish my children to do the same. [Hatfields & McCoys anybody?] I like Chalmers Johnson's explanation of "blowback". It would be great if you could listen to this a bit [maybe if you just need help sleeping? lol]Can you find any spare time to take a look at Chalmer's Johnson? https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?type=avastbcl&hspart=avast&hsimp=yhs-001&p=Chalmer%27s+Johnson
I'll check him out, probably won't have time today to look in depth, but soon. But, I am aware of what blowback is. And, it is a factor in a lot of political moves, but it has nothing to do with the validity of a religion.
Quote:Aren't the KKK and the White Supremacists supposed to be Christian groups?
Some are, there are also secular white power groups...
But, yes, the KKK claims to be a protestant group. However, they are a racist group that happens to be Christians, they are not racist because they are Christians...
When has the KKK been a threat to anyone in the last 20 years?
Quote:Are you really not aware of the violence perpetrated on homosexuals in the American SW or the Appalachians by people from the "bible belt"? [That violence is usually performed by someone who identify's as being Christian] Also the violence put on black people for being black by regular Christians south of the Mason Dixon.
I am not.
Is this systematic violence or just the occasional drunken brawl?
Quote:It seems a recurring theme of yours is protection of homosexuals? I find it ironic that although you will fight for rights of people to choose/be of their particular sexual orientation, you will almost in the same breath come out vehemently against Muslims because of their religious beliefs.You seem fine to label all or most of them as tare wrists. I find it hard to comprehend you can't see the duopoly in your thought process?
Religion is a choice. I know many former Muslims (a crime which is punishable by death). You can't choose your sexual orientation. I have never labeled most of them as terrorists or even criminals. But I have said they follow a backward religion under which human rights violations are perfectly justifiable.
Luckily for us, most Muslims, like most Christians, have not read the Koran cover to cover, and do not take it 100% literally.
Quote:Are you under some belief that there are not Muslim homosexuals by the millions? Step back and try seeing the world from a third persons perspective or from a [metaphorical] distance. Prejudice is prejudice regardless if its against a color, religion or sexual persuasion. It seems like you feel its is perfectly ok to be "Islamophobic" but not ok to be homophobic? We become the things we hate: http://youtu.be/wW1ArQT0KH8
Yes, and what happens to them in many countries?
Quote:Are you still deployed? Can you get out and mingle a little? To me your opinion is similar to an American who has visited Tijuana or Nogales believing he has visited or understands Mexico. Or, my incorrect belief that LA, represented all of California.
I am. And, I have (not so much right now as have been busy), but I will continue. I am (at least where I actually live/ stationed) in a very progressive (for the Muslim world) Muslim Country. Its very safe and friendly here. Even so, there is much that would make liberal Americans shudder at how women and homosexuals are treated.
There is a lot of great people here, and they and their government are extremely kind to Americans, and we work together with their military quite a bit.
I have said before I have many Muslim friends. I have many Christian friends as well. Most of my friends are religious. But that does not mean I have to like their religion.
Quote:That statement IMO is as racist, as surely as their public opinions about homosexuals is bigoted. Try being a poor orange farmer in Palestine if you want a real taste of fear,or try walking in someone else's sandles once in a while. Have your read of the violence and treachery in the Torah?
I'm not sure how this is relevant. Even if you think that Palestinians are oppressed. That has little to do with the validity of Islam.
Being against a religion is not racist. For one thing its not a race (a genetic characteristic that you have no control over).
If you are an atheist as I am, you view all religions as being wrong about worshipping a God(s). So take away all of the spirituality and voodoo from religion, and what is it? It is nothing more than a life philosophy. So if somebody lives their life based off of a book that has bad ideas, yes I will aggressively criticize it.
No, this is not a Fox News Channel headline. But if would be if they were fair and balanced on the Kyle/Ventura controversy. I've been watching FNC exalt Kyle and bash Ventura for 2 years. I initially thought FNC's hatred of Ventura was politically motivated. Ventura has bashed both dems and repubs alike. But FNC's hatred of him goes much deeper than that.
You won't get any of tbis from FOX news:
Ventura has a lot of seals backung him as they are tired of seeing seals stab other seals in the back.
Kyle said the money from the book would go to charity to charity of of the 3 to 6 million (depending on who you believe) only about 50,000has gone to charity.
Knocking Ventura down is not the only lie Kyle has told. Texas lawenforcement is calling Kyle's tale of killing 2 Texas carjackers a lie and a hoax on Kyle's part. Multiple sources have reported that Kyle told them he and a buddy smiped looters in New Orleans in the aftermath of Katrina, killing 30. A total fabrication. Why would Kyle tell all these lies? Publicity for the book.
Kyle's widow is not on the hook for the 1.8 mill ventura won in the lawsuit. (FNC has portrayed it as "that loser Ventura taking money from the poor widow.") Ultimately, the publisher, Harper-Collins is responsible for the payoff, or more specifically their insurance company.
Ventura'a job offers dried up when the Kyle story broke causing him financial harm.
Ventura has been active with the seals since the early 70's and is still a seal reserve but no longer feels safe attending seal functions.
Harper-Collins is owned by Rupert Murdoch. So is Fox News.
But you won't get any of this in any of FNC's continual basihng of Ventura.
Quote: mickeycrimmDID CHRIS KYLE BACKSTAB ANOTHER SEAL FOR MONETARY GAIN?
No, this is not a Fox News Channel headline. But if would be if they were fair and balanced on the Kyle/Ventura controversy. I've been watching FNC exalt Kyle and bash Ventura for 2 years. I initially thought FNC's hatred of Ventura was politically motivated. Ventura has bashed both dems and repubs alike. But FNC's hatred of him goes much deeper than that.
You won't get any of tbis from FOX news:
Ventura has a lot of seals backung him as they are tired of seeing seals stab other seals in the back.
Kyle said the money from the book would go to charity to charity of of the 3 to 6 million (depending on who you believe) only about 50,000has gone to charity.
Knocking Ventura down is not the only lie Kyle has told. Texas lawenforcement is calling Kyle's tale of killing 2 Texas carjackers a lie and a hoax on Kyle's part. Multiple sources have reported that Kyle told them he and a buddy smiped looters in New Orleans in the aftermath of Katrina, killing 30. A total fabrication. Why would Kyle tell all these lies? Publicity for the book.
Kyle's widow is not on the hook for the 1.8 mill ventura won in the lawsuit. (FNC has portrayed it as "that loser Ventura taking money from the poor widow.") Ultimately, the publisher, Harper-Collins is responsible for the payoff, or more specifically their insurance company.
Ventura'a job offers dried up when the Kyle story broke causing him financial harm.
Ventura has been active with the seals since the early 70's and is still a seal reserve but no longer feels safe attending seal functions.
Harper-Collins is owned by Rupert Murdoch. So is Fox News.
But you won't get any of this in any of FNC's continual basihng of Ventura.
I used to like Ventura, but then a few years after 911 he went on a conspiracy phase where he was all about "truthing". I get it that he is an independent and does not trust "the system", but he got way too far out there.
As far as Chris Kyle, I don't know much about him, he clearly lied about Ventura, possibly for political reasons.
I've never heard claims of sniping looters in New Orleans, but that sounds false (if he did make it), we heard all of the drama about New Orleans, including how Blackwater was hired to confront looters. If somebody started shooting them, let alone 30, that would be news everywhere.
However, I can assure you Ventura is not in the Reserves.
As far as him feeling safe attending seal function, I don't know, but he always seems like a paranoid person, so it would not surprise me if he exagerates.
Good post G.Quote: Gandler
[I meant American South East.]
I was referring to asymmetric, fed by some phobia or another.Quote:Is this systematic violence or just the occasional drunken brawl?
Although some points will be given for family indoctrination.Quote:Religion is a choice.
It looks like you have more firsthand experience than I ever will, I have friends that view the Islamic worshipers similarly, and they too have more experience than I. I may end up having to defer my opinion to others with more knowledge of the way it is and less emotion and reading on the matter?. Hope not, it's more fun thinking I'm right most of the time. lol Doubtful but possibleQuote:I know many former Muslims (a crime which is punishable by death). You can't choose your sexual orientation. I have never labeled most of them as terrorists or even criminals. But I have said they follow a backward religion under which human rights violations are perfectly justifiable.
Nah, no it don't. And a lot of "their" religions definition change frequently.Quote:There is a lot of great people here, and they and their government are extremely kind to Americans, and we work together with their military quite a bit.
I have said before I have many Muslim friends. I have many Christian friends as well. Most of my friends are religious. But that does not mean I have to like their religion.
Quote: GandlerI used to like Ventura, but then a few years after 911 he went on a conspiracy phase where he was all about "truthing". I get it that he is an independent and does not trust "the system", but he got way too far out there.
As far as Chris Kyle, I don't know much about him, he clearly lied about Ventura, possibly for political reasons.
I've never heard claims of sniping looters in New Orleans, but that sounds false (if he did make it), we heard all of the drama about New Orleans, including how Blackwater was hired to confront looters. If somebody started shooting them, let alone 30, that would be news everywhere.
However, I can assure you Ventura is not in the Reserves.
As far as him feeling safe attending seal function, I don't know, but he always seems like a paranoid person, so it would not surprise me if he exagerates.
Ventura is still a seal reserve period. Kyle threw Ventura under the bus to promote his book. FNC has ulterior.motives for maligning Ventura. Harper Collins, the publisher of Kyle's book, American Sniper, and the ones on the hook for the 1.8 million Ventura won in the lawsuit, is owned by Fox News employer, Rupert Murdock. After Ventura's win in court multiple FNC commentators have said that "that loser Ventura, if he had any class, he would give the money back to the widow." But the money would only go back to HC, or more specifically their insurance company.
FNC continues to lie and mislead on this issue even saying Ventura was never a seal but was a frogman who got grandfathered into the seals. Total bs. The seals simply had a different name. One seal said "like him or not Ventura is a seal. He did the pushups and swam the cold water just like we did."
You don't make a lot of political friends when you publish a book called "demoCRIPS and reBLOODlicans: The political gangs that control the country." I figure this is why the liberal media, who could crucify FNC for their coverage of the Kyle/Ventura controversy if they wanted to, have layed off the story.
Quote: mickeycrimmVentura is still a seal reserve period. Kyle threw Ventura under the bus to promote his book. FNC has ulterior.motives for maligning Ventura. Harper Collins, the publisher of Kyle's book, American Sniper, and the ones on the hook for the 1.8 million Ventura won in the lawsuit, is owned by Fox News employer, Rupert Murdock. After Ventura's win in court multiple FNC commentators have said that "that loser Ventura, if he had any class, he would give the money back to the widow." But the money would only go back to HC, or more specifically their insurance company.
FNC continues to lie and mislead on this issue even saying Ventura was never a seal but was a frogman who got grandfathered into the seals. Total bs. The seals simply had a different name. One seal said "like him or not Ventura is a seal. He did the pushups and swam the cold water just like we did."
You don't make a lot of political friends when you publish a book called "demoCRIPS and reBLOODlicans: The political gangs that control the country." I figure this is why the liberal media, who could crucify FNC for their coverage of the Kyle/Ventura controversy if they wanted to, have layed off the story.
No he is not a Reserve SEAL. He has been out of the military for a long time. I can guarantee you that he is not currently in the military in any capacity, certainly not as a Reserve SEAL.
I agree, Ventura was a SEAL (though is not currently one) even if the term was not in use while he was in, but calling him a SEAL is correct. However, that does not make him correct in everything he says. He does have a lot of nutbag conspiracies.
Quote: GandlerNo he is not a Reserve SEAL. He has been out of the military for a long time. I can guarantee you that he is not currently in the military in any capacity, certainly not as a Reserve SEAL.
I agree, Ventura was a SEAL (though is not currently one) even if the term was not in use while he was in, but calling him a SEAL is correct. However, that does not make him correct in everything he says. He does have a lot of nutbag conspiracies.
Whether one believes he is a whack job or not is irrelevant FNC's bias on the story.
Quote: mickeycrimmWhether one believes he is a whack job or not is irrelevant FNC's bias on the story.
Saw Ventura on the Hannity show.
Too funny.
Hannity just cant hang with Ventura intellectually.
It was so obvious and a hoot.
Ventura wanted to stay and educate Hannity.
Hannity rushed him off the air.
Quote: mickeycrimmWhether one believes he is a whack job or not is irrelevant FNC's bias on the story.
Typical tactics, first dehumanize your enemy and not see them as real people. I like Jesse's show "conspiracy theory". When it got taken off the air, episodes which I had recorded on my dvr, disappeared at the same time.
He brought up what I found interesting topics like "HARP". Just what is it and why did some private company just buy it for millions of dollars? Does everyone know that the US and RUSSIA have a treaty to not use weather as a weapon? I believe 8 countries have signed that treaty. https://wearechange.wordpress.com/2008/07/02/weather-warfare-treaty/
People loved him as governor and he continues to walk the line. He deserves our respect, if FNC disrepects him than in my opinion **** them. Regardless which msm news someone watches they all use spin.
Our news should not be fair and balanced or claim to be, that is just "infotainment". Any proper "news" ought to do investigative reporting instead of a blend of facts which leans one political direction or other. I like the old hard hitting reporting ala Walter Kronkite or Greg Palast or Mother Jones. Give me the news, both sides and let me determine what to think about it. Not some facebook "like" where people vote on what they should all groupthink the news should be.
They all have an agenda and are owned by 6 or less sources. Those sources control the hearts and minds of the electorate and the Office of the POTUS, is sold to us much the same way as a new car or some new drug which we don't even know what it does.
A friend dropped by and shared and easy and short example of how "spin" works, which they all know and do. Example of spin: Let's eat Gramma versus Let's eat, Gramma. The spin is there and sometimes it's just a comma left out or a sentence left out of reports that if included would entirely change the meaning of the story. Once aware of the agenda it is easy to see where the comma's get left out. And we go to commercial break, come back and are on a different topic.
It is easy to spot people who have drank the kool-aid and are satisfied that their "fair and balanced" news [which shouldn't be, balanced at all] is the best news not realizing they are being herded or directed. I live in a world populated by mostly people just trying to get by with some assemblance of a normal life. With average ambitions and desires many with children whom they try to do the best for. Not many want to carry the baton of truth around like an earth news relay. Jesse has spoken what he believes to be the truth and at times cost him money and humility to go against the flow.
"Jesse Ventura donned a tinfoil hat in his pursuit of proving conspiracy theories, especially 9/11 conspiracy theories."
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Jesse_Ventura
"Diagnosis: A sad case, really, of an otherwise once intermittently moderately intelligent person donning the tinfoil hat. I think the idea was to stare just a little into the abyss, but Ventura unfortunately didn’t really have the critical thinking skills needed to do this safely."
http://americanloons.blogspot.com/2013/01/396-jesse-ventura.html
Twilight Zone music in the background on this one:
"I spot-checked some of Ventura's information about the September 11 attacks, and found statements like "not a single piece [of airline wreckage] has ever been positively identified as originating with Flight 77 [the plane that crashed into the Pentagon]." This is simply and factually incorrect."
http://www.centerforinquiry.net/blogs/entry/review_of_jesse_venturas_american_conspiracies/
Quote: EvenBobJesse is special. What a joke.
"Jesse Ventura donned a tinfoil hat in his pursuit of proving conspiracy theories, especially 9/11 conspiracy theories."
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Jesse_Ventura
"Diagnosis: A sad case, really, of an otherwise once intermittently moderately intelligent person donning the tinfoil hat. I think the idea was to stare just a little into the abyss, but Ventura unfortunately didn’t really have the critical thinking skills needed to do this safely."
http://americanloons.blogspot.com/2013/01/396-jesse-ventura.html
Twilight Zone music in the background on this one:
"I spot-checked some of Ventura's information about the September 11 attacks, and found statements like "not a single piece [of airline wreckage] has ever been positively identified as originating with Flight 77 [the plane that crashed into the Pentagon]." This is simply and factually incorrect."
http://www.centerforinquiry.net/blogs/entry/review_of_jesse_venturas_american_conspiracies/
Totally irrelevant to FNC's hatchet job on him over Kris Kyle.
