Why is there so much hostility on this web site?

Quote: mkl654321

And Dorothy, what are you hoping to grow in that dirt?

I water the dirt to keep down the dust, not to grow anything ... really now ... I guess you don't know Kansas like I know Kansas ...

--Dorothy

Quote: DorothyGale

I water the dirt to keep down the dust, not to grow anything ... really now ... I guess you don't know Kansas like I know Kansas ...

--Dorothy

Yep. I live in a place without tornadoes or blizzards. I'll sing you a song I wrote about it:

The Oregon Song (sung sort of to the tune of that song about Jamaica)

Chorus:
Oregon, Oregon
Come to the land of occasional sun
We got the Cascade Range and the beaches fair
Pine trees and wineries and fragrant air

Everyone here lives really green
No one's ever, ever mean
No sales tax, and yes, it's true,
We'll even pump your gas for you.
(Chorus)

Shakespeare plays in Ashland
Lunatics in ashrams
The coolest part of living here:
Eighteen thousand kinds of beer.
(Chorus)

Waterfalls to make you wet
Hot spring spas to make you sweat
Organic farms to keep you fed
Grow berries bigger than your head
(Chorus)

The weather's good as it can get
No tsunamis (at least not yet)
No Californians (well, just a few)
Oregon is the place for you!
(Chorus x2)

I agree with only1choice. I have watched this site turn from a gambling forum to a battle ground. I look for interesting stories of gambling, not of disagreements over crap. Let's go back to having fun. No one will beat the house over the long run. However we can beat the house in 3 or 4 days. Tell me how?

Quote: luckyjackg

I agree with only1choice. I have watched this site turn from a gambling forum to a battle ground. I look for interesting stories of gambling, not of disagreements over crap. Let's go back to having fun. No one will beat the house over the long run. However we can beat the house in 3 or 4 days. Tell me how?

The site started with a lot of well-meaning people posting their martingale ideas and genuinely needed the math explained to them. It was done rationally and in a friendly manner, and usually it ended peaceably. Sometimes the "system-people" come, and usually the only reason the veterans of the board respond is not to "start a fight" but to not allow flawed math logic to go unanswered. You figure there are many people frequenting these boards for the first time EVERY DAY. We don't want some poster to convince a newbie that there's a way to beat roulette, so the post must be answered. In that respect (and in that respect alone), I concede that mkl may not be off-base in correcting everyone's typos and misspellings. There is something (I don't know how much, but something) to be said for not allowing untruths, errors, or mistakes to be unaddressed. When it's petty and the mistake is superficial, that "something" may be tiny and the cost of said correction larger...

Quote: cclub79

The site started with a lot of well-meaning people posting their martingale ideas and genuinely needed the math explained to them. It was done rationally and in a friendly manner, and usually it ended peaceably. Sometimes the "system-people" come, and usually the only reason the veterans of the board respond is not to "start a fight" but to not allow flawed math logic to go unanswered. You figure there are many people frequenting these boards for the first time EVERY DAY. We don't want some poster to convince a newbie that there's a way to beat roulette, so the post must be answered. In that respect (and in that respect alone), I concede that mkl may not be off-base in correcting everyone's typos and misspellings. There is something (I don't know how much, but something) to be said for not allowing untruths, errors, or mistakes to be unaddressed. When it's petty and the mistake is superficial, that "something" may be tiny and the cost of said correction larger...

This happens on ALL gambling forums. You eventually run low on gambling related topics and start discussing broader subjects. People moan and wring their hands, but they don't start any new gambling threads, they wait for everybody else to do it. I say, if you don't like the current threads, start new ones. Or shut up about it.

Quote: mkl654321

I'll sing you a song I wrote about it

I'm a fictional character created by L. Frank Baum ... and, I'm a fictional virgin ... and I'm fictionally underage ... and I don't take too kindly to strangers ... so this all comes off as somewhat icky ...

--Dorothy

"they don't start any new gambling threads, they wait for everybody else to do it. I say, if you don't like the current threads, start new ones. Or shut up about it" >>> Very true. The thing is, I haven't even started my 'full blast' of threads yet, I'm kinda busy. Great reception here so far, oh well. I might even invite my buddy Spike, you guys are gonna love him! lol Ken

Quote: DorothyGale

I'm a fictional character created by L. Frank Baum ... and, I'm a fictional virgin ... and I'm fictionally underage ... and I don't take too kindly to strangers ... so this all comes off as somewhat icky ...

--Dorothy

Aw c'mon. The Dorothy I knew from Baum's stories was quite engaging with strangers--even ones of different species. Some people are creeped out by Munchkins, you know.

No more songs, if you want, though. Some-WHERRRRRRRRE over the rainbow.....(choke, gurgle)

Quote: cclub79

The site started with a lot of well-meaning people posting their martingale ideas and genuinely needed the math explained to them. It was done rationally and in a friendly manner, and usually it ended peaceably. Sometimes the "system-people" come, and usually the only reason the veterans of the board respond is not to "start a fight" but to not allow flawed math logic to go unanswered. You figure there are many people frequenting these boards for the first time EVERY DAY. We don't want some poster to convince a newbie that there's a way to beat roulette, so the post must be answered. In that respect (and in that respect alone), I concede that mkl may not be off-base in correcting everyone's typos and misspellings. There is something (I don't know how much, but something) to be said for not allowing untruths, errors, or mistakes to be unaddressed. When it's petty and the mistake is superficial, that "something" may be tiny and the cost of said correction larger...

There are only a few possibilities when someone posts a new EZ-win infallible "system" for beating a -EV game:

1. The person truly doesn't understand the math, and is under the genuine delusion that it can be overcome somehow.
2. The person suspects a system, and is hopefully looking for validation, or at worst, proof that it is bogus.
3. The person is a charlatan and a fraud who is hoping to sell a book or otherwise profit from people's delusions.

The proper treatment in each case:

1. A strong statement that not only is the math unsound, it COULD NOT be otherwise.
2. A strong statement that no such "system" has ever, or could ever, be devised: disappointing, but the truth.
3. The verbal equivalent of a swift kick in the butt.

Whichever case applies, it is unlikely that any response would be too severe. The uninformed need to be whupped upside the head--for their own good; the frauds need to be whupped as well.

"There are only a few possibilities when someone posts a new EZ-win infallible "system" for beating a -EV game" >>> ROFL....you sure sound familiar. I never said it is infallible. Please quote me correctly. What roulette method do you play? I want to start some testing on it. Ken