Casinos don't cheat.....prove it.

Quote: Headlock

Back on topic.

Four phone calls to the Iowa Racing and Gaming Commission on Wed. and Thurs. No answer and no response to the messages I left. There is one office in Council Bluffs to oversee three casinos in that city. There is no presence in the casinos.

Black Hawk Colorado; I asked a security officer in the Ameristar Casino if there was a Colorado Division of Gaming representative in the casino or in the city of Black Hawk. Well, that was a big mistake, because he was instantly on the defensive, and I'm probably on the blacklist now. The security officer asked why I was asking; I said I was just curious. He had to contact his manager. So I'm waiting for the manager, he never shows. The security officer asks me again what is the nature of my inquiry, I said I'm just curious whether they have a presence in the casino. He then tell me "no, they show up incognito". I visited the Colorado Division of Gaming office in Central City on Saturday afternoon, and they were closed. No notice of office hours on the door.

This suggests that a lot of the concerns, expressed on this thread, may not just be innuendo.

Did any of you see Dateline last night?

They were doing an investigation into clerks ripping off people who were cashing in lotto tickets in CA. and NY. The good thing was they were catching them in CA. but when the NY lotto found out that they were doing a sting, they sent out a warning about Dateline were doing an investigation. Makes you wonder just how good of a job the NY lotto is doing to protect, lotto players!

I know, I know no one would cheat anybody!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/38851982#38851982r

Quote: Headlock

I've convinced myself.

I play almost all the time at one particular casino. I have a relationship with a casino host, I know many of the employees at the casino, may of the patrons, and in general I like to go there. I get free rooms and other comps.

But I'm too predictable. I always use my players card. I always play PL and come bets with odds. The casino knows by know approximately how much I'm willing to lose. If anyone is an easy mark, I'm it.

if u think youre being cheated on the PL, why wouldnt u just switch to the donts and then have an advantage?

Quote: rudeboyoi

if u think youre being cheated on the PL, why wouldnt u just switch to the donts and then have an advantage?

I can't go into all the details. In any event, I've convinced myself and if I play there at all in the future, it will be small stakes and I'm going to vary my strategy so I'm not so predictable.

Headlock

Ok so you went to Black Hawk Colorado; did you play there and if so how did you do? That would be a good indentation of how you’re betting strategies are working. If you couldn’t win in Colorado you just might have a problem with your betting, like I said before. All the players I have ever talk to tells me that they have fair dice there, as they have to be balanced before they go on the tables!

I would like to help you out, with your problem, but you need to go to a board that someone can PM you on! As I said before if you are seeing a lot of seven outs it could be just a trend, and there is nothing wrong with the dice, you have to know what to look for!

When we start taking about anybody cheating the proof sometimes can be hard to come by, if you do believe that only one casino is cheating you , take some good advice “Don’t Play There” Again you never said where you play at!

Quote: superrick

The books that should help you with your betting are!

Start with Sam Grafstein Craps The Dice Doctor, for your betting!
Then John Patrick’s Craps
Then Dice Setting Crapsability

lol at anything by John Patrick

rudeboyoi

You can get good information out of any book you read, but you have to know how to read between the lines! There is even one book that I consider fiction, but I did include it here because he does have some good information on betting! There are only a few books that I thought was a total waste of money, even the bad ones had information that most players can get something out of! The one good thing about living in Vegas is you can get just about any book on playing craps, and gaming at the local libarary!

Quote: superrick

The books that should help you with your betting are!

Start with Sam Grafstein Craps The Dice Doctor, for your betting!
Then John Patrick’s Craps
Then Dice Setting Crapsability

That should get you on the right track with your betting!
Any of these books are a small investment and should be read by anybody that is losing playing craps.
You can also read The Mad Professor's Crapshooting Bible, I have a problem with the fiction in the book, but he does put out a lot of great imformation on betting the game!
You can also PM me at http://procraps4u2.myfanforum.org it's a free site to help you with you betting.

That's not true. I've had dealers deal me seconds on more than one occasion in "reputable" casinos. Some casinos still play dirty and will cheat a card counter because to them using your brain is against the rules. I'm talking about hand held blackjack games and fairly low stakes, red and green chips.

Think about this... dealers capable of dealing seconds will be compensated by the casino and make much more money than an "honest" dealer. I believe some casinos operate this way. They always have one dealer on staff who is a specialist. If a high roller is getting lucky or a guy is counting cards they will be sent to that table to protect the casino's interest.

Most casinos and most employees are probably honest but never assume that you won't be cheated. If you play hand held games there's always the potential you're not getting the top card off the deck. Be especially careful of dealers who keep looking at their watch or who hold the cards close to their body while organizing the chip tray. They may be peeking at the top card: if they think it will bust your hand they will deal it to you, if they think it will help your hand you will be dealt a "second", then while their hitting their hand if the top card will bust their hand they deal themselves seconds.

Trust me this is happening right now. If you spot it all you can do is leave or move to another dealer.

I always felt that the casinos don't cheat. Maybe a few employees for their own benefit. So many bad gamblers that they didn't need to cheat.

Well, whether the casinos cheat, they really do not have to.

I recently had a few weeks to kill and decided to hang out at the casinos virtual playing in real time at roulette(keeping a log of all the bets, wins and losses and using different strategies and betting systems--all virtual of course.)

At the end of almost every day, I came home a terrible loser playing my virtual money. I also heard many players as they were leaving the tables state that they're winning numbers had just come up and if they had more finances they would have made a killing but as my resources were virtual, I always was able to continue and still recorded losses.

The vig just is too much to overcome and the casino's(I was in AC) have no need to cheat when they can win legally.

Thats my two cents.