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March 17th, 2012 at 11:29:14 AM permalink
I'm headed out there this weekend and would like to know where I would get my best odds on blackjack? I played some double deck games last time I was there and each casino had slightly different rules like dealt face up vs face down (which obviously doesn't matter because you eventually get to see the cards anyway).

I viewedand am looking for the best odds near Fremont or the Strip. I appreciate anyone's opinions, because I know rules always change and some casinos have more heat than others.
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March 17th, 2012 at 11:30:09 AM permalink
El Cortez downtown, or drive out to the Hacienda out by Boulder city for the absolute best game.
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March 17th, 2012 at 11:37:06 AM permalink
Thanks, I saw El Cortez on the odds ... is this game open everyday a week all day or only certain days? Do they deal the cards face up or face down (just curious)? Also, is it true they deal the entire deck through?
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March 17th, 2012 at 11:38:40 AM permalink
they deal face up from a shoe. They have a double deck game, some kind of gimmicky BJ like a tripple attack or something, but other than that its all the single deck game. dealt from a shoe face up, and they certainly do not deal the whole deck, just a round or 2
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March 17th, 2012 at 11:41:16 AM permalink
Yes, I read on the link though 'Single-deck game with no shuffle card.' I must be misunderstanding that statement then. I'm confused why the odds would be better then with no double after splits, re-splitting aces?

Has anyone played the Luxor double deck game recently where re-splitting Aces are allowed?
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March 17th, 2012 at 11:45:28 AM permalink
No shuffle card. They have a rule where they divide a number (9?) by the number of players at the table and they deal that many rounds. If I am right that 9 is the number and there are 3 players at the table , then 9/3 players= 3 rounds and then a shuffle.
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March 17th, 2012 at 11:48:39 AM permalink
Thanks for the help.
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March 17th, 2012 at 12:03:39 PM permalink
Quote: bigfoot66

No shuffle card. They have a rule where they divide a number (9?) by the number of players at the table and they deal that many rounds. If I am right that 9 is the number and there are 3 players at the table , then 9/3 players= 3 rounds and then a shuffle.



Can a very small person (a midget) count as half a person and be dealt 18 rounds heads-up against the dealer?
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March 17th, 2012 at 4:30:17 PM permalink
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March 17th, 2012 at 5:17:20 PM permalink
Riviera also has a 3-2 single deck BJ game but you can only double on 10/11. It is mostly gimmick as there seems to only be one open table. The time I played it seemed I made them very nervous. When the VPOP posted on another forum, he said that it must have been a coincidence as the floor and dealers are told not to sweat it. The max was only $200 iirc, so hard to hurt them too bad.

The best non salon six deck games are at Bellagio, Aria and MGM. DA/DAS/RSA/SUR/S17. The minimum is typically $25 on that game but MGM may have it for as little as $10 off peak. The tables are scattered among the other tables at MGM so you have to do some looking around. For $50-$100 you can get a 2 deck DA/DAS/S17 at Aria or Bellagio.
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March 17th, 2012 at 5:24:10 PM permalink
There is also a 1 deck 3:2 game at the four queens, double on 10/11 only and no DAS. Not the best but certainly among the best games around.
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April 2nd, 2012 at 4:04:32 PM permalink
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The EC uses the "Rule of 6" on the single deck game. Some dealers are good at counting and will deal more rounds if the count is negative. Happened to me when I played there.



Wait a minute. If the dealers really count cards to give the casino an advantage, is that legal?
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April 2nd, 2012 at 5:04:45 PM permalink
Quote: bigfoot66

There is also a 1 deck 3:2 game at the four queens, double on 10/11 only and no DAS. Not the best but certainly among the best games around.



Actually, according to the Blackjack survey, Vegas Club has a 2-deck game with better house edge, and if you're willing to play green chips, the Golden Nugget definitely has better games (and a nicer ambience).

I'll have to peek around for that 6D, S17, RSA, DAS, Surrender game at MGM Grand. I'd gladly pony up for a $15 min with those rules. If anyone knows, I'm assuming that game is dealt from a CSM? Certainly it's not a hand-shuffled shoe.....
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April 2nd, 2012 at 5:17:40 PM permalink
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Actually, according to the Blackjack survey, Vegas Club has a 2-deck game with better house edge, and if you're willing to play green chips, the Golden Nugget definitely has better games (and a nicer ambience).



The Golden Nugget has a $25 double deck in the front that does not allow DAS. During slow times, you will find the same game in the high limit with DAS with $25 min. If it is busy, the min may be $50 or $100.

Vegas Club only seems to have their double deck open when it is extremely busy. The last time I saw it open, it was a $25 min. The Plaza also has this game, but again it seems to be a $25 game, and only open when the pit is very active. Maybe if you find it open during the week it is less. It has been years since I noticed either casino having a double deck for less than $25. Maybe my timing is just bad.

It seems during slow times they do not open it, but I would bet the Plaza would have it open before Vegas Club. Since the hotel at Vegas Club is only open on weekends, the pit is very slow during weekdays. Note that Plaza/LVC deal this game out of a shoe. It is a pitch game at Golden Nugget. I ran up some serious comps playing this game at Golden Nugget in the past.

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I'll have to peek around for that 6D, S17, RSA, DAS, Surrender game at MGM Grand. I'd gladly pony up for a $15 min with those rules. If anyone knows, I'm assuming that game is dealt from a CSM? Certainly it's not a hand-shuffled shoe.....



I did a survey for a client in December so my memory may be a bit foggy here. I believe it is a Shuffle Master shuffler. If it is not, then it is a hand shuffle. While I would not make a serious wager on it, I am fairly certain it was not a CSM. Most of these tables are in the area deep in the casino, towards the back of the table games on the left. There is an area with a lot of Pai Gow games and some BJ scattered in. Some tables were S17, some were not. The limits varied widely. I saw a $10 min and a $50 min next to each other with S17. There is also a random S17 table here and there in the big pit BJ areas. You will find this game for sure at $25 min. If it is really slow you may find it lower.
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April 2nd, 2012 at 5:35:06 PM permalink
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I did a survey for a client in December so my memory may be a bit foggy here. I believe it is a Shuffle Master shuffler. If it is not, then it is a hand shuffle. While I would not make a serious wager on it, I am fairly certain it was not a CSM. Most of these tables are in the area deep in the casino, towards the back of the table games on the left. There is an area with a lot of Pai Gow games and some BJ scattered in. Some tables were S17, some were not. The limits varied widely. I saw a $10 min and a $50 min next to each other with S17. There is also a random S17 table here and there in the big pit BJ areas. You will find this game for sure at $25 min. If it is really slow you may find it lower.


I didn't make it to the described pit (way back behind the craps tables) on my recent trip, but I was there a few weeks ago and there were a variety of hand-shuffled S17 games. When I was there the lowest minimum was $25, I would be very skeptical that they would ever have a S17 game at less than a $25 minimum. No CSMs in the whole pit if I remember correctly.
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April 2nd, 2012 at 5:42:33 PM permalink
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I didn't make it to the described pit (way back behind the craps tables) on my recent trip, but I was there a few weeks ago and there were a variety of hand-shuffled S17 games. When I was there the lowest minimum was $25, I would be very skeptical that they would ever have a S17 game at less than a $25 minimum. No CSMs in the whole pit if I remember correctly.



The $10 min S17 tables I saw surprised me. It was empty, just as most of MGM was. I talked to a dealer on one of those tables because he was idle. I asked how often it was $10 min and he seemed to think it was not all that rare. I did the survey during the two weeks between NFR and Christmas because the person wanted to know the absolute lowest minimums casinos would go. That was the perfect time to do it.

I rarely go to the strip unless I have some project to do. I sometimes play a HORSE tournament on Tuesday nights at MGM. If I play it tomorrow (50/50 chance), I will check around and see what the minimums are and report back.
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April 2nd, 2012 at 6:34:23 PM permalink
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April 2nd, 2012 at 6:41:26 PM permalink
Most dealers have a hard enough time counting to 21. One might shuffle after seeing a plethora of small cards Though

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April 2nd, 2012 at 8:56:20 PM permalink
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April 2nd, 2012 at 9:34:19 PM permalink
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April 2nd, 2012 at 9:52:27 PM permalink
Quote: Jumboshrimps

Wait a minute. If the dealers really count cards to give the casino an advantage, is that legal?

It's blatant cheating, and it happens. The term, as mentioned, is "preferential shuffling" and can include dealers shuffling up when the count is positive, or (more commonly) shuffling up when a player jumps their bet by x amount. The latter procedure is actually house policy in some low-end casinos in Nevada (outside of Vegas).
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