SONBP2
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March 12th, 2012 at 10:48:08 AM permalink
Had to start this thread after a brutal beat this weekend playing Ultimate Texas Hold'em. Using proper strategy my wife and I both playing $5 Ante $5 blinds raised 4x based on our hands, which at this point I can't remember. However, when all the cards were dealt I had a straight and my wife had two pair. However, the board did show 3 to a royal flush. Of course, the dealer turns over the two cards needed to complete the royal flush. The dealer, who was struggling to deal the game the whole day was actually very excited with her win. She checked the pay table to find out how much she would have won had she been playing the game. The pit boss told her there was no need to even check the players cards and I believe he gave her a fist bump. Not like rubbing it in or anything.

By the way Wiz, thanks for the analysis of this game. Despite the royal flush beat I did very well at this game over weekend. Won over the $300, I did manage to hit 4 Jacks which was a nice bonus.
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March 12th, 2012 at 10:52:58 AM permalink
I absolutely detest dealers that show any positive emotion over their "win".
I usually will tell them that they have cost themselves a tip on that occasion,
and on all future occasions as I will avoid playing at their table in the future.
As for a pit boss that fist bumps, I would simply call him an asshole to his face.
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief. - Proverb.
DJTeddyBear
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March 12th, 2012 at 11:11:20 AM permalink
I agree with Wong that the dealer should have been sympathetic to the players.

On the other hand, since it sounds like she was a new dealer, I can't really fault her for being excited by her Royal. Hell, I don't think I'd fault even an experienced dealer for reacting to it, although I would expect an experienced dealer to not bother looking at the pay table.

Of course, it's detestable that the floorperson seemed equally happy about the dealer's Royal.
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March 12th, 2012 at 11:12:38 AM permalink
A straight and two pair is hardly a bad beat. I have had Aces over kings full house and lost when the dealer pulled out pockets Kings for a four of a kind. Mywife had a dealer pull out pockets aces for four of a kind to beat her four tens. The worst was back in the 90's Saints at 49er's have a dime on the game, Saints +13.5 to finish a teaser that I had already hit the first part. Up 14 with a little over 2 minutes to go, lost by 14 when Steve Walsh couldn't spike the ball and it was called a fumble returned to the one yard line and SF actually ran a play and punched it in to win by 14. Almost threw up and got sick.
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March 12th, 2012 at 11:23:36 AM permalink
Dealers and floor supervisors generally don't care or sweat the money - it isn't their checking account where players draw their wins from. Indeed, it's often a "good for you, Mr. player!" kind of thing.
I have seldom seen such a thing except where the player was viewed as a shot-taker and where the house actually wanted the player to leave, to "darken the doorway" of a competitor's casino.
Experienced dealers or dealers with any brains in their heads would never celebrate a house win ("Dealer has Blackjack/Royal Flush - YESSS!" [fist pump]) except to call a player an asshole to his face without technically doing so. Also done is a very false condolence offering ("You lose again? - Zoa Zorry, I feel your pain, tsk, tsk" if bold), or simply a "Mona Lisa" smirk on a dealer's win.

As a dealer, I feel such actions are sometimes fully warranted and deserved in the rare occasions I've seen it or done it. If a complaint is made to the floor or pit boss, the player is simply viewed as a sore loser/"steaming his loses," and his departure is often quietly viewed as a relief, and considered good riddance.

I have seen recently where a floorman tells dealers on a Blackjack hand-held pitch game ( - not a shoe game) to give a "courtesy" shuffle up to brazen card-counters as a warning. Preferential shuffles may occur on a pitch game to thwart and warn card counters as a back off, and to cease-and-desist or leave - in exactly the same fashion as flat-betting a player on a shoe game.

dealers are people too, and sometimes good customer service is predicate on being a good customer, in the sense of not being a really bad customer, which can occur. Quite often a customer receives a negative comment after stiffing a waiter. I can imagine some hookers have said, "I'm sorry, jack, my off-duty sign is up" or just "No" to certain customers.

Quote: WongBo

As for a pit boss that fist bumps, I would simply call him an asshole to his face.


Of course you would. You might as well, as that's what they've been calling you, clearly, if they had done that.

Quote: DJTeddyBear

Of course, it's detestable that the floorperson seemed equally happy about the dealer's Royal.


Dave, no, not always. What are they going to do if they need to get rid of a really troublesome/undesirable customer?
Flat-out say, "Listen, Buddy, you're being @sshole, so why don't you leave and try your sh]t at Joker's Wild/The Longhorn/The El Cortez/etc. and see if it flies over there??!!" Actually, they may, too.

We hear what dealers and floormen sometimes sound like; well, it is a two-way street.
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DJTeddyBear
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March 12th, 2012 at 11:49:35 AM permalink
Quote: hook3670

[Losing with] A straight and two pair is hardly a bad beat.

I agree. The "Bad beat" part comes from the dealer's and particularly floorperson's reactions.


Dan -

I understand the psychology you're describing when gloating over a shot-taker's loss, but there's nothing in the post to suggest that was the reason for their actions. Besides, there were at least two people at that table.
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March 12th, 2012 at 11:53:15 AM permalink
I actually prefer a bit of good-natured competitive rivalry with a dealer. If the dealer acts too much like they're on my side, it just seems patronizing. It's more fun to win when you feel like you're actually playing against somebody.

"Is that all you got?"
"You're going to have to do better than that."
"Get that weak shit out of here."
"You're not very good at this game, are you?"

All said with a wink and a smile, of course. I can dish it out, and I can take it as well.
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March 12th, 2012 at 12:03:41 PM permalink
This thread is going to sound like the poker table...

"Oh, that's hardly a bad beat..One time, my quad aces were snapped off by a straight flush, which was snapped off by a royal flush...it was just remarkable" (and bs)...
SONBP2
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March 12th, 2012 at 12:05:54 PM permalink
The dealer was struggling dealing the game, primarily when determining whether her hand beat the players. I even gave a nod to the pit boss once that she had missed paid a player as we was checking on her quite frequently. He came over, checked it and let it slide. She was friendly, but I did think the excitement on the royal flush was a bit over the top, especially checking the pay table. I considered it a bad beat at the time because it had been such a grind trying to get back to even and I was already counting a win with the straight and my wife was in a strong position as well.
hook3670
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March 12th, 2012 at 12:22:36 PM permalink
To be honest anytime I actually have a decent hand whether its Poker or BJ and lose I consider it a bad beat!! LOL
SONBP2
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March 12th, 2012 at 12:28:21 PM permalink
Quote: hook3670

To be honest anytime I actually have a decent hand wether its Poker or BJ and lose I consider it a bad beat!! LOL

AMEN TO THAT! LOL
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March 12th, 2012 at 3:08:03 PM permalink
Quote: hook3670

To be honest anytime I actually have a decent hand whether its Poker or BJ and lose I consider it a bad beat!! LOL



That's your fault... my biggest pet peeve is when a dealer tells me "Nice hit" when I draw to a 20. Too often, the dealer then draws to a 21, at which point I say "You might as well have bust my hand." The only good hit on a blackjack table is to 21, and that's assuming the dealer checked for BJ.

I guess a bigger pet peeve is when you draw to one less than the dealer up card (i.e. 19 into a face, 18 into a 9). Sometimes when I play, I get excited when I think I have a pat hand (like a 20). Those situations always get the best of me, as I'm nearly always reminded that the dealer can AND WILL draw to beat me.

Which is part of the reason I stay away from BJ these days...
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March 12th, 2012 at 3:21:31 PM permalink
Anytime I hit a 16 and don't bust, I consider it a nice hit.
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March 12th, 2012 at 3:24:27 PM permalink
Quote: Triplell

Anytime I hit a 16 and don't bust, I consider it a nice hit.



So when you get a 3, and the dealer turns over a made 20, that's a good hit???? How much do you get paid on that hand? How much do you get paid if you drew the 7? SAME AMOUNT!!!

I know IN THE LONG RUN, it's not a bad play, and yes, it's probably a nice hit. But for that hand, it didn't matter if you bust or draw a 3. You lose either way.
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Triplell
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March 12th, 2012 at 3:41:31 PM permalink
Well, getting a 3 would raise the count, while getting a 7 wouldn't...so yes..it's still better ;)...
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March 12th, 2012 at 3:41:41 PM permalink
Yes, it's a good hit. The count has improved and if you are playing heads up then you have cleared out a 3 from being your first card, which is to your favor.
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March 12th, 2012 at 3:44:02 PM permalink
Quote: Triplell

Well, getting a 3 would raise the count, while getting a 7 wouldn't...so yes..it's still better ;)...



Gotcha, so when you get an Ace on that 16, to lose to a dealer, well pretty much anything, you still think THAT'S a good hit?
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Triplell
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March 12th, 2012 at 3:56:49 PM permalink
Nope...Honestly, getting an Ace on anything other than a blackjack always pisses me off...I should have specified that though...
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March 12th, 2012 at 4:33:48 PM permalink
Hows this for a bad beat. Back in the 50's a guy I knew was have bad luck on his horse tout business. So he picked a maiden races at Garden State, sent a telegram to 8 different suckers. Bet the horse at the track only, bet $100 for him. The winner paid $60 something.
So Pipe was looking at 3 grand, a big time hit.
And sure enough a sucker did indeed bet it at the track. A New Yorker no less. One way home he had a flat. You don't change a flat yourself with all that money in your wallet. Stop at gas station, bragged to owner about his luck. Do I have to finish this ?? LOL
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March 12th, 2012 at 5:09:44 PM permalink
Once had four 4s on the flop in Omaha ......... lost to four 6s
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March 12th, 2012 at 6:06:05 PM permalink
Quote: duffytootx

Once had four 4s on the flop in Omaha ......... lost to four 6s



Ouch. In just about any poker room in the U.S., that combo will get you a "bad beat jackpot". Why doesn't it ever happen to me in a poker room, or even at a table I'm sitting at? I'd be happy for a table share.
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