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January 29th, 2012 at 7:41:16 PM permalink

mrjjj

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Very nice Guido111......I'll be printing that out.

Ken

If I agreed with you, we'd both be wrong. Playing at the casino doesn't make you a pro any more than standing in a garage makes you a car. I prefer to be hated for telling the truth, than loved for telling a lie. No person has yet convinced me that their way of playing roulette is better than my way. Winners have simply formed the habit of doing things roulette AP players don't like to do. I'm sure AP (roulette) worked just fine back in 1923. Gambler's Fallacy is a term coined by unsuccessful gamblers to validate their reasons for losing. 5.26%, so what?......I get taxed everyday. Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it. Don't play/study roulette for a TOTAL of 9 hours in your lifetime and then preach that a person can not do 'well' with it. Also, don't let the '2+2 will never equal 5' crowd bring you down. TRIAL & ERROR guys, I can't say it enough! When you're finished changing, you're finished.

January 29th, 2012 at 7:42:22 PM permalink

DJTeddyBear

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Quote: mrjjj
Anyone who disagrees with this, please chime in >> Within 37/38 spins (most likely less than that) we will have
number(s) with 3 hits on it. Anyone disagree?

Ken

In this original question, you phrased it as "we will have."

Since other posters have done the math to show that about 10% of the time a 37 (or 38) spin sequence will have at least 1 number appear three times, I'd say the answer to your original question is "Disagree."

If you had said "we probably will have," I would still disagree.

If you had said "we possibly will have," then I'd agree.

Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood?

January 29th, 2012 at 7:45:33 PM permalink

DJTeddyBear

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Quote: mrjjj
"while highly unlikely" >>> Why would this NOT be good enough for a bettor? I can understand if a person was using a progression and sweating it out.

Ken

For the record, I think betting against an event that is "highly unlikely" is a very good bet.

Except there is no bet on roulette that covers such an outcome.

Coming up with the math to show the odds of multiple repeats is very nice, but it does nothing to help you figure out which number will be the one that repeats.

Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood?

January 29th, 2012 at 7:48:38 PM permalink

mrjjj

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Quote: DJTeddyBear
To answer this original question, you phrased it as "we will have."

Since other posters have done the math to show that about 10% of the time a 37 (or 38) spin sequence will have at least 1 number appear three times, I'd say the answer you your question is "Disagree."

If you had said "we probably will have," I would still disagree.

If you had said "we possibly will have," then I'd agree.

Come on.....if you KNOW what I'm asking, why ACT and drag this on as if you have no idea what I mean? (thats rhetorical, I know why)

With your 'point', EVERY question you ever ask for the rest of your life should include the word 'possibly'.

Ken

January 29th, 2012 at 7:51:54 PM permalink

DJTeddyBear

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Quote: mrjjj
Come on.....if you KNOW what I'm asking, why ACT and drag this on as if you have no idea what I mean?

It's because the original question suggested a certainty. My "idea" was that you meant it was almost certain.

The reality is, it's a rarity - which is what I was always trying to say.

Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood?

January 29th, 2012 at 7:52:36 PM permalink

mrjjj

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5 pages of BS that could of been taken care of in 1-2 pages. I love this board. BTW, the world is round.......Ok, is there a comment or two? (lol)

Ken

January 29th, 2012 at 7:55:29 PM permalink

mrjjj

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Quote: DJTeddyBear
It's because the original question suggested a certainty.

The reality is, it's a rarity.

But then EVERY QUESTION ever asked in world history (of any subject) needs to include 'possibly'. Is this how you have conversations all day? Just curious. You must be a hoot with a couple beers in you.

Ken

January 29th, 2012 at 8:12:56 PM permalink

guido111

Member since: Sep 16, 2010
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Quote: ChesterDog
I did a rough simulation for a double 0 wheel. I found that for 38 spins, sometimes no number had 3 or more hits, but this happened only 1.46% of the time. So at least one number had 3 or more hits 98.54% of the time.

"Rough Simulation"? hehe
If one of my employees came to me with that statement and some results, (s)he would have to explain himself.

I second the stats from CDog
Here are my sim results
US wheel 38 spins 3 or more hits distribution

      group        middle     freq  freq/100
--------------------------------------------
-0.5 <= x < 0.50     0.00    14602     1.46%
0.50 <= x < 1.50     1.00    98164     9.82%
1.50 <= x < 2.50     2.00   251356    25.14%
2.50 <= x < 3.50     3.00   316240    31.62%
3.50 <= x < 4.50     4.00   215273    21.53%
4.50 <= x < 5.50     5.00    83395     8.34%
5.50 <= x < 6.50     6.00    18547     1.85%
6.50 <= x < 7.50     7.00     2278     0.23%
7.50 <= x < 8.50     8.00      139     0.01%
8.50 <= x < 9.50     9.00        6     0.00%

--------------------------------------------
grouped data
items:                  1,000,000   

minimum value:                0.00
first quartile:               2.00
median:                       3.00
third quartile:               4.00
maximum value:                9.00

mean value:                   2.96
midrange:                     4.50

range:                        9.00
interquartile range:          2.00
mean abs deviation:           0.95

sample variance (n):          1.53
sample variance (n-1):        1.53
sample std dev (n):           1.24
sample std dev (n-1):         1.24

--------------------------------------------
                 cumulative
--------------------------------------------
-0.5 <= x < 0.50     0.00    14602     1.46%
0.50 <= x < 1.50     1.00   112766    11.28%
1.50 <= x < 2.50     2.00   364122    36.41%
2.50 <= x < 3.50     3.00   680362    68.04%
3.50 <= x < 4.50     4.00   895635    89.56%
4.50 <= x < 5.50     5.00   979030    97.90%
5.50 <= x < 6.50     6.00   997577    99.76%
6.50 <= x < 7.50     7.00   999855    99.99%
7.50 <= x < 8.50     8.00   999994   100.00%
8.50 <= x < 9.50     9.00  1000000   100.00%

Euro wheel 37 spins 3 or more hits distribution

      group        middle     freq  freq/100
--------------------------------------------
-0.5 <= x < 0.50     0.00    16175     1.62%
0.50 <= x < 1.50     1.00   106642    10.66%
1.50 <= x < 2.50     2.00   264466    26.45%
2.50 <= x < 3.50     3.00   317327    31.73%
3.50 <= x < 4.50     4.00   205468    20.55%
4.50 <= x < 5.50     5.00    73571     7.36%
5.50 <= x < 6.50     6.00    14616     1.46%
6.50 <= x < 7.50     7.00     1635     0.16%
7.50 <= x < 8.50     8.00       97     0.01%
8.50 <= x < 9.50     9.00        3     0.00%

--------------------------------------------
                  grouped data
items:                  1000000   

minimum value:                0.00
first quartile:               2.00
median:                       3.00
third quartile:               4.00
maximum value:                9.00

mean value:                   2.88
midrange:                     4.50

range:                        9.00
interquartile range:          2.00
mean abs deviation:           0.96

sample variance (n):          1.48
sample variance (n-1):        1.48
sample std dev (n):           1.22
sample std dev (n-1):         1.22

--------------------------------------------
                 cumulative
--------------------------------------------
-0.5 <= x < 0.50     0.00    16175     1.62%
0.50 <= x < 1.50     1.00   122817    12.28%
1.50 <= x < 2.50     2.00   387283    38.73%
2.50 <= x < 3.50     3.00   704610    70.46%
3.50 <= x < 4.50     4.00   910078    91.01%
4.50 <= x < 5.50     5.00   983649    98.36%
5.50 <= x < 6.50     6.00   998265    99.83%
6.50 <= x < 7.50     7.00   999900    99.99%
7.50 <= x < 8.50     8.00   999997   100.00%
8.50 <= x < 9.50     9.00  1000000   100.00%

Enjoy!

January 29th, 2012 at 8:18:29 PM permalink

mrjjj

Member since: Sep 4, 2010
Threads: 62
Posts: 1304

I love this info, thanks!!

Ken

January 29th, 2012 at 9:09:38 PM permalink
SOOPOO Member since: Aug 8, 2010 Threads: 49 Posts: 1322	Now be fair, Ken... "I love this info"... implies you are going to use it to make money at the roulette wheel, correct? Sooooo.... Tell us how, or at least what method you are going to try out...

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