5Dimes 2:1 Blackjack +EV?

I have Googled the crap out of this, and this is my last resort, since I know you're busy.

Here are the rules:

8 decks; new shoe is used to deal every hand
Blackjack pays 2:1
Dealer hits on soft 17
No double downs
Split pairs once
No surrender

Now, I know at http://wizardofodds.com/blackjack/rule-variations.html it has all the percentages, but there isn't one for "no double downs"; can you just take the +.23% from "double on any 2 cards" and subtract it? I doubt it. If so, this game has well over a 1% player edge.

I haven't checked the numbers on your example but I wouldn't be surprised if it's +ev. 5dimes is a great book that has several +ev opportunities through reduced juice, progressive jackpots, and daily promotions. You do need a proper bankroll though. If anyone is interested in finding out about some of the things I know about this site just private message me. Wizard might think I'm advertising non Bodog if I just blurt things out here.

Oh and that .23% i'm sure is just for losing the doubles on soft hands and hard 8 or 9. Losing doubles on 10 and 11 would cost more %.

Quote: SilentBob420BMFJ

I have Googled the crap out of this, and this is my last resort, since I know you're busy.

Here are the rules:

8 decks; new shoe is used to deal every hand
Blackjack pays 2:1
Dealer hits on soft 17
No double downs
Split pairs once
No surrender

Now, I know at http://wizardofodds.com/blackjack/rule-variations.html it has all the percentages, but there isn't one for "no double downs"; can you just take the +.23% from "double on any 2 cards" and subtract it? I doubt it. If so, this game has well over a 1% player edge.

I assume you're talking about their "bonus" casino? They have several casinos but the bonus casino does offer a few games that are positive expectation. I'm not familiar with this blackjack game but they do have a few other games that are positive so it wouldn't shock me.

I would verify the 2:1 payout. What is "normal" blackjack, 1.5:1?
Of course if it is indeed in a "for play, not for real" casino then what is so wrong about them offering a sweetener, the whole purpose is to suck you into the "for real" casino.

Quote: FleaStiff

I would verify the 2:1 payout. What is "normal" blackjack, 1.5:1?
Of course if it is indeed in a "for play, not for real" casino then what is so wrong about them offering a sweetener, the whole purpose is to suck you into the "for real" casino.

Yes, indeed verify it is not "2 for one." Here in PA the video BJ machined said 2:1 when it was 2 for one. I wrote an email to the casino about it. Never received a reply, but 2 years later the error is no longer there. I think many complained.

Quote: clarkacal

Oh and that .23% i'm sure is just for losing the doubles on soft hands and hard 8 or 9. Losing doubles on 10 and 11 would cost more %.

I'm confused by the Wizard's rule variation chart in general, because at the top it says what game he based it off of. OK, so if you're trying to find the effect it has on that game, why would rules that are already in the game, such as "double on any 2" be +EV? If the game his calculations are based off of contains the rule, wouldn't it obviously be 0% effect on the game? Now removing that rule having a negative effect, sure, but how can you add something that's already there? Thought the whole point of that chart was "if you're playing the game I listed above, here are the effects the following rules will have".

And even if that is cleared up, how do you do it, do you take the -.45% EV of his base game, and then add/subtract the rules? But again, what do you do with rules that are listed as positive, but already part of his game? So confusing.

I'm pretty sure this game is positive, but I want to know how positive, so I can calculate some stuff.

Quote: AZDuffman

Yes, indeed verify it is not "2 for one." Here in PA the video BJ machined said 2:1 when it was 2 for one. I wrote an email to the casino about it. Never received a reply, but 2 years later the error is no longer there. I think many complained.

Wait, 2 for 1 as in you don't get your original bet back, just 2 in exchange for your 1, which would make it equivalent to 1 to 1? Ya I doubt it's that, because it's in their Bonus Casino, where they have higher paying games. Remember, you can't double at all, and can only split to 1 hand, and the dealer hits on soft 17, so that would make this game ridiculous.

Quote: SilentBob420BMFJ

so that would make this game ridiculous.

So "kudos" to the original poster for bringing it up then.
I don't think I'm ever gonna get straight that difference between "to" and "for" in odds statements.

Quote: FleaStiff

So "kudos" to the original poster for bringing it up then.
I don't think I'm ever gonna get straight that difference between "to" and "for" in odds statements.

By ridiculous I meant really bad, as in there's no way it's true. What he brought up is pretty rare, and like he said it was in video blackjack at a casino. You would never find a real blackjack game with no double downs, dealer hits soft 17, and 1:1 blackjack, it just wouldn't happen.