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EvenBob
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January 1st, 2011 at 6:30:27 PM permalink
I'm very curious about this. My bill averaged for the year runs about $75 a month. More in the winter because the furnace runs all the time and lights are on more. In the summer I only cool the rooms we're using, way cheaper than cooling the whole house. And $25 of that $75 is the access fee and taxes. I'm curious because Michael Bluejay has an article about how to save electricity and he says if you follow his guidelines, you can save $2500 a year on your bill. Thats at 15 cents per KWH. I only pay 7.5 cents, so I could save $1250? My whole bill per year is only $900. I don't doubt his research, I just want to know who (besides Al Gore who's bill is $3000 a month) pays that much for electric that they could save $2500? I don't anybody who does and I know a lot of people.
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January 1st, 2011 at 7:19:13 PM permalink
I run just under $100 for 6 months of the year, and around $150 for 6 months of the year.
Natural gas bill for a 12 month average would be another $70
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January 1st, 2011 at 7:31:45 PM permalink
LOL, electric heat here. All electric: hot water, stove, etc.

You don't even wanna guess what it is in the winter. At least we don't care about whole house a/c in the summer, just the bedrooms at night.
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January 1st, 2011 at 8:07:14 PM permalink
Quote: Mosca

LOL, electric heat here. All electric: hot water, stove, etc.



Aren't you on the Greenies top 10 hit list? I'd guess its $400 a month depending on where you live.
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January 1st, 2011 at 8:33:10 PM permalink
Mine's low as the heat and services are part of the apartment fees, so I have no idea what the heat adds up to year on year. Actually, I could find out by checking the strata accounts.
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January 1st, 2011 at 10:21:47 PM permalink
I have been working to cut this down, and I broke the $200 mark. Gas was $70 this month.

But this might at least make some other people feel better about their costs. The first one was small b/c I moved here in late June.

12/02/10 NEVADA POWER PRO NPC PYMT $198.81
11/01/10 NEVADA POWER PRO NPC PYMT $268.42
10/01/10 NEVADA POWER PRO NPC PYMT $390.10
09/01/10 NEVADA POWER PRO NPC PYMT $417.69
08/03/10 NEVADA POWER PRO NPC PYMT $334.26
06/29/10 NEVADA POWER PRO NPC PYMT $83.47
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Totals $1,692.75
EvenBob
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January 1st, 2011 at 10:28:23 PM permalink
Quote: aahigh

I have been working to cut this down, and I broke the $200 mark. Gas was $70 this month.

But this might at least make some other people feel better about their costs. The first one was small b/c I moved here in late June.

12/02/10 NEVADA POWER PRO NPC PYMT $198.81
11/01/10 NEVADA POWER PRO NPC PYMT $268.42
10/01/10 NEVADA POWER PRO NPC PYMT $390.10
09/01/10 NEVADA POWER PRO NPC PYMT $417.69
08/03/10 NEVADA POWER PRO NPC PYMT $334.26
06/29/10 NEVADA POWER PRO NPC PYMT $83.47
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Totals $1,692.75



You must have central air. How much per KWH?
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aahigh
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January 1st, 2011 at 11:51:14 PM permalink
two units .. one for upstairs and one for downstairs. i also have a 1500 watt pool pump that runs for about 6 hours per day.
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January 1st, 2011 at 11:59:15 PM permalink
Quote: aahigh

two units .. one for upstairs and one for downstairs. i also have a 1500 watt pool pump that runs for about 6 hours per day.



That pool isn't helping, your meter must be trying to spin into orbit.
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January 2nd, 2011 at 12:30:36 AM permalink
My bill averages $800 during the summer and drops down to $300-$400 in the winter.
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January 2nd, 2011 at 12:32:14 AM permalink
Quote: JimMorrison

My bill averages $800 during the summer and drops down to $300-$400 in the winter.



Well since you have been dead for about 36 years I imagine you keep it rather cool in the house.
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January 2nd, 2011 at 12:54:23 AM permalink
Quote: Wavy70

Well since you have been dead for about 36 years I imagine you keep it rather cool in the house.



Wow a Doors joke, how original.
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January 2nd, 2011 at 1:27:20 AM permalink
Quote: JimMorrison

My bill averages $800 during the summer and drops down to $300-$400 in the winter.



Good god! Why? Do you have pot farm in your basement? $800????
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January 2nd, 2011 at 1:41:38 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Good god! Why? Do you have pot farm in your basement? $800????



Two air conditioning units (upstair/downstairs) and cathedral ceilings kill me in the summer. Plus a pool and 5 computers that run 24/7. I keep the house at 75 and shut off a few rooms that I don't use but the bill is still sky high.
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EvenBob
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January 2nd, 2011 at 2:10:47 AM permalink
Quote: JimMorrison

Two air conditioning units (upstair/downstairs) and cathedral ceilings kill me in the summer. Plus a pool and 5 computers that run 24/7. I keep the house at 75 and shut off a few rooms that I don't use but the bill is still sky high.



Do you live in the SW? I can't wrap my mind around $800, thats what I pay for an entire year.
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January 2nd, 2011 at 2:38:27 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Do you live in the SW? I can't wrap my mind around $800, thats what I pay for an entire year.



I live in Vegas, it gets pretty hot here in the summer.
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January 2nd, 2011 at 4:15:24 AM permalink
Quote: Mosca

LOL, electric heat here. All electric: hot water, stove, etc.

You don't even wanna guess what it is in the winter. At least we don't care about whole house a/c in the summer, just the bedrooms at night.



I've been there. As high as the bills were, I always tried to remind myself that I wasn't paying for oil or the furnace problems that come with it. Because the bills were so high in the winter, the electric company offered a budget option where the yearly bill would be estimated and then spread evenly over 12 months.
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January 2nd, 2011 at 7:41:18 AM permalink
Quote: benbakdoff

Quote: Mosca

LOL, electric heat here. All electric: hot water, stove, etc.

You don't even wanna guess what it is in the winter. At least we don't care about whole house a/c in the summer, just the bedrooms at night.



I've been there. As high as the bills were, I always tried to remind myself that I wasn't paying for oil or the furnace problems that come with it. Because the bills were so high in the winter, the electric company offered a budget option where the yearly bill would be estimated and then spread evenly over 12 months.



Yeah, but we have the money. We don't like the bills, but we like the house and the location, and moving is a pain in the ass. In the coldest months of the last 20 years it's hit $650, but most winter months it's around $425, and in the summer it's usually below $200. And, no gas bill, no furnace repairs, like JimMorrison said. Hell, if the bills were lower I'd probably just bet more.
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January 3rd, 2011 at 10:36:37 AM permalink
CPS Energy, mild climate, 3200sqft, gas heat and water, 2 ACs.

2010:
$247.42
$204.38
$140.62
$127.64
$133.93
$213.24
$266.25
$292.66
$268.35
$136.39
$101.55
$182.01


Avg $192.87 +/- fat fingered numbers.
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January 3rd, 2011 at 11:28:40 AM permalink
Somewhere between 11 and 13 cents per kWh I believe. My most recent bill was $154 for 36.63 kWh/day from the period from 11/11/2010 to 12/14/2010.

Quote: EvenBob

You must have central air. How much per KWH?

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June 18th, 2011 at 10:21:19 PM permalink
I have central air & gas heat. I average about $75/month for electric, except during the summer when it jumps to $150-200. The gas bill averages about $40/month, except in the winter months, when it jumps to $150-175. Between the two, I averaged $190/month last year.
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July 27th, 2011 at 4:47:55 PM permalink
I know it's been a while since anyone has posted on this.... but, I have an issue and thought that maybe someone could help. I noticed that in a couple replies where your monthly payments were listed it said "Nevada Power Pro"..... I have suddenly been charged by this same company directly from my checking account. I have not signed up for anything like this. I called Nevada Power and they said that they have not charged me and they never heard of Nevada Power Pro, that there recurring charges are done through BillMatrix, which I also called, and they said that they are not charging me... so I'm real confused as to why your entries show this company yet know one knows who they are. I'm concerned that someone is billing their electric to my account. I guess I was hoping that if you have that on your bill, or bank account or whatever if you have any information on this company I would greatly appreciate it.... the bank is trying to find out, but it will take a while. Also, I googled them and this forum is the only place that name pops up in. Even if you just have a phone number or something I can call.... thank you for your help.
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July 27th, 2011 at 5:01:50 PM permalink
Quote: racerartist

I know it's been a while since anyone has posted on this.... but, I have an issue and thought that maybe someone could help. I noticed that in a couple replies where your monthly payments were listed it said "Nevada Power Pro"..... I have suddenly been charged by this same company directly from my checking account. I have not signed up for anything like this. I called Nevada Power and they said that they have not charged me and they never heard of Nevada Power Pro, that there recurring charges are done through BillMatrix, which I also called, and they said that they are not charging me... so I'm real confused as to why your entries show this company yet know one knows who they are. I'm concerned that someone is billing their electric to my account. I guess I was hoping that if you have that on your bill, or bank account or whatever if you have any information on this company I would greatly appreciate it.... the bank is trying to find out, but it will take a while. Also, I googled them and this forum is the only place that name pops up in. Even if you just have a phone number or something I can call.... thank you for your help.



Are they billing you instead of, or in addition to, your bills from Nevada Power?
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July 27th, 2011 at 5:05:38 PM permalink
My average over last 51 months about $152/month.
About half (~$80/month) of this is spent on my pool pump (I run it 24/7) in the summer, and a jacuzzi in winter. I also run six computers that are up all the time, and have kids running around the house, and leaving the light on everywhere they enter, even during the day.
I think, if I really wanted to, I could, probably cut the bill by half, and if I absolutely had to, I could completely shut down my pool and jacuzzi, turn off the PCs, lock the kids in the basement, and bring the thing down to, I guess, maybe $40/month or so.

The heat (oil) is a separate story. I pay insane amounts for it during winter time nowadays - like 400-500 per month easily.
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July 27th, 2011 at 6:05:51 PM permalink
5.3 per/kwh....last one was $139(~2800kwh/used)...house is 2420sq. ft(one story)...outboard building is 400sq. ft.(w/window unit-marginally used)..above ground pool pump ~6-8 hours a day(small though-15'x48")..Houston!!
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July 28th, 2011 at 7:32:55 AM permalink
I was paying around US$20/month in Mexico and suspected that my landlady was ripping me off by also charging me for her own power usage. In the US, I've had everywhere from less than ten dollars a month to over two hundred, depending on part of the country, time of year, and overall condition of the house.

Currently, I think I'm paying around the same as you. Hard to tell, though, because I dramatically overpaid a few months back and got a massive credit.
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July 28th, 2011 at 12:44:32 PM permalink
Looking at some of the amounts that others pay gives me another reason to be glad I live in California (and not the part in the mountains where it snows). My electric bills range from about $20/month in "normal weather" months to about $60 when I have to crank up the (electric) A/C most of the time, although it's never "really" hot enough to leave my A/C on when I am at work (I had a programmable thermostat once, but when it fried, I replaced it with a non-programmable; it's never cold enough to leave the (gas) heater on all day when I'm away either).

Then again, living alone gives me some advantages - there's never more than one TV on at a time, I run the dishwasher once a week or so, and I average about 2 1/2 loads of laundry a week (one for towels, one for unmentionables, and I do my colored shirts every two weeks).
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July 28th, 2011 at 1:43:33 PM permalink
Be nice if Califronia could pay it's electricity bills to BC once in a while :)
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July 28th, 2011 at 4:57:45 PM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus

Are they billing you instead of, or in addition to, your bills from Nevada Power?[/q

I do not live in Nevada, I live in California.... I used to live there 5 months ago, and I checked with Nevada power to see if they were billing me still and they said no, since I shut off the power there have been no charges. Plus, I never had it automatic, I always paid by check. Also, the account that is being charged was not in existence when I lived in Vegas.... I'm really concerned someone is using my account to pay their power, but I still can't find anyone that knows what Nevada power "pro" is..... do you know?

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July 28th, 2011 at 5:12:17 PM permalink
Does it have anything to do with this company?

http://www.manta.com/c/mtmk8kz/powerpro-component-technology-ltd

says it's located in Henderson.
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July 28th, 2011 at 5:24:07 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

Does it have anything to do with this company?


says it's located in Henderson.




Nope, have nothing to do with them..... I just thought it odd that people posted their electric bills for the month and it says exactly what is on my bank statement.... yet the power company says they don't know anything about Nevada Power Pro.... arrrggggg. Well, I have my bank looking into it, but this is crazy....
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July 28th, 2011 at 6:22:07 PM permalink
Quote: racerartist

the bank is trying to find out, but it will take a while.



You should instruct the bank not to process any automatic charges from that company from now on. And also to check on the phone with you any time an automatic charge is made, assuming you don't regularly set thign s up like that (I don't, because I lose flexibility in my payments). If they won't, then switch to a bank that will.
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July 28th, 2011 at 8:06:25 PM permalink
Quote: racerartist

Nope, have nothing to do with them..... I just thought it odd that people posted their electric bills for the month and it says exactly what is on my bank statement.... yet the power company says they don't know anything about Nevada Power Pro.... arrrggggg. Well, I have my bank looking into it, but this is crazy....



12/02/10 NEVADA POWER PRO NPC PYMT $198.81

I don't think the PRO is part of the company name. I think it's just part of the crap that the bank puts on the line item for the automatic payment.

Intentional or not, it looks like someone else is trying to pay for their power using your account. You said the account didn't exist when you lived in NV. Did you open it in NV or in CA? Bank routing numbers are location specfic, so if the routing number is from a CA branch it's highly unilkely that the situation is an innocent mistake. If it's a routing number from an NV bank, the odds are low but higher that someone may have just innocently fat-fingered the account number when they set up their autobilling.
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July 29th, 2011 at 7:54:30 AM permalink
I have my bank on it, unfortunately I don't think it's a fat finger mistake.... I did open it in CA, not NV...sooooooo. It's just pretty creepy that something like this could happen. Thanks for all the help everyone!
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July 29th, 2011 at 9:22:46 AM permalink
I had the same problem. After I moved out of my house, I got a charge from the cable company for more than 5 times what my regular bill was. Absolutely baffling that they can keep dipping into your bank account after you've closed the service. I called them and they knew about the mistake, but their response was "we can't reverse the charges, so we'll send you a check," which I know is bullshit because they've reversed charges before. They can't just take out; they can put in as well. So now I have to set up a point person in my old town to receive the check, which they probably won't send anyway. I hate it ...
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July 29th, 2011 at 10:39:43 AM permalink
Quote: teddys

I had the same problem. After I moved out of my house, I got a charge from the cable company for more than 5 times what my regular bill was. Absolutely baffling that they can keep dipping into your bank account after you've closed the service. I called them and they knew about the mistake, but their response was "we can't reverse the charges, so we'll send you a check," which I know is bullshit because they've reversed charges before. They can't just take out; they can put in as well. So now I have to set up a point person in my old town to receive the check, which they probably won't send anyway. I hate it ...





Why are people so evil??? I hope you get your check.... !
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July 29th, 2011 at 1:54:07 PM permalink
Monthly bills with average lows

$116 (June)
$115 (May)
$92 (April)
$92 (March)
$163 (Feb)
$164 (Jan)
$174 (Dec)
$175 (Nov)
$96 (Oct)
$97 (Sept)

Average: $128 per month

Cost per kWh: 5.39 cents for first 1,800 kWh, then 7.51 cents thereafter

Everything is electric, heating and a/c! 2 bedroom penthouse condo.
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November 19th, 2013 at 6:27:03 PM permalink
Our power was out for 48 hours from the storm
that shut down the Bears game on Sunday.

Ever lose power when the temp is 40 in the daytime?
It was 45 in the house today. It came back on at
5pm today and it hits you in the forehead how totally
dependent on electric we are. It's frightening.

My dad's parents farm didn't get it till 1945. They lived
in the 19th century in the house till 1945. They had
a tractor and a truck, but no power. I would hate it.
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November 19th, 2013 at 7:22:24 PM permalink
Southern California, approximately 10 miles from the beach = $6.00/month utility bill includes evetything except laundry which is maybe another $12.00/month.
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November 19th, 2013 at 8:50:29 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I just want to know who (besides Al Gore who's bill is $3000 a month) pays that much for electric that they could save $2500? I don't anybody who does and I know a lot of people.



Residential Electricity varies widely by cost inside the USA. In NYC, Honolulu, and other places costs can go over 30 cents per kWh. In Tennessee (where Al Gore) is located the electric bills are some of the highest in the nation.

But the simple matter is in Tennessee it is hot so that you need Air Conditioning, but it isn't bitter cold in winter so that most people heat their homes with electric heat pumps.

Maine has high electric rates, but very low electric bills. There is no need for air conditioning, and you would be insane to heat with electricity in Maine. So they pay a high rate, but it is only for appliances and electronics.

In Washington State thanks to nuclear power the people are bought off with some of the cheapest electric rates in the country. But they use more because there is little incentive to conserve.

But, yes the average household in the USA spends $2000 on energy from all sources (heating oil, electricity, coal, wood pellets, natural gas) XCLUDING transportation. So it is difficult to save $2500 in electricity for a household.

In terms of kWh the average use is 26,259 kWh per year. Much of this i s spent on lower priced electricity (national average is 12 cents per kWh), or for cheaper kerosense, coal, heating oil, etc. But even presuming you spent your whole average energy budget on expensive 15 cents per kWh electricity that would be $3939 per year.
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November 19th, 2013 at 9:07:41 PM permalink
I pay 7.5 cents per KWH and have for years in MI. A $100 bill for a
hot August is rare. We get out power from a nuke about 80 miles
from here.
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November 20th, 2013 at 3:42:51 PM permalink
EIA average prices residential electricity in cents per kWh
East North Central 12.08
Illinois 9.74
Indiana 11.10
Michigan 14.99
Ohio 12.21
Wisconsin 14.23

Most people who get their power from nuclear pay very little. But even within a state there is wide variation.

The price of 7.5 cents per kWh is usually what people pay in PA to GENERATE electricity. They pay an additional 3+ cents per kWh to have it distributed.

A 275 gallon tank of heating oil (i.e. one ton of oil) at 13.1% boiler efficiency (state of the art boiler) will generate 10,000 kWh of energy.
If you are paying only 7.5 cents per kWh, that much energy in electricity would cost you $750. Most people would end up paying $900 to $1000 for one ton of heating oil, and there are additional costs to clean and maintain the boiler. In your case it is cheaper to heat your house with electricity.

Now natural gas is probably still cheaper than electricity.
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November 20th, 2013 at 4:04:42 PM permalink
The NE USA traditionally has the highest cost/kWhr electricity and a high per Capita income. Living in new England, the electric costs 50-75 a month year-round. Oil heat, as previously mentioned is expensive, and costs $4000 for the six months needed. Unfortunately, I'm living in an area where NO Nat Gas is piped into the neighborhood. If you consider the oil + electric, its about $400/month. That would be cheap by NE-USA standards.
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November 20th, 2013 at 6:19:28 PM permalink
Quote: 98Clubs

I'm living in an area where NO Nat Gas is piped into the neighborhood. If you consider the oil + electric, its about $400/month. That would be cheap by NE-USA standards.



Technically heating oil costing $4.185 per gallon would be equivalent to electric at 10 cents per kWh. But oil boilers have an efficiency loss associated with running the boiler. While oil may actually cost more per unit of energy, electricity can be used in a more focused manner in just heating the parts of the house that you are occupying.

The lack of natural gas in Maine is considered a crisis by the governor. Localized heat sources like wood pellets or even coal burners are making a comeback.
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November 20th, 2013 at 6:24:51 PM permalink
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Localized heat sources like wood pellets or even coal burners are making a comeback.



I had a coal furnace until the mid 80's and the
house was never so warm. I can't even buy
coal here anymore, there's no demand.

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November 20th, 2013 at 6:43:05 PM permalink
Wood pellets are infinitely easier to work with than raw lumber. You wonder if their will ever be a commercial demand for coal pellets. The operation in this video looks like a backyard operation.




I see images of space heaters using coal that are getting some attention.


But with electricity at 7.5 cents per kWh, it hardly seems worth the trouble.
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November 20th, 2013 at 6:49:22 PM permalink
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But with electricity at 7.5 cents per kWh, it hardly seems worth the trouble.



We have lots of natural gas in MI. I just put in a new
furnace last year, it's half the physical size of the new
one I installed in 1988. Puts out more heat and cost $200
less.
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November 20th, 2013 at 7:07:34 PM permalink
We're supposed to get new furnaces installed by
a contractor in MI. Screw that, they charge a
fortune. A child could hook up one these new
ones. What saved me this time was insulated
flexible ducts. They didn't have these in 1988.
What a wonder they are, took a job that would
have taken all day and turned it into a couple
hours.

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November 26th, 2013 at 4:07:13 PM permalink
All electric where I live, Tampa.
Just got my bill, 60.52 for the last month here.
Perfect weather this time of the year, not using heat and very little AC.
Got a 3 bedroom 2 floor townhouse.
Its just a forum. Nothing here to get obsessed about.
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November 26th, 2013 at 4:18:38 PM permalink
I cant believe you topped it out at 150 and over.
235 and over would have been more appropriate, I don't think I had a electric bill under 200
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