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June 18th, 2017 at 4:01:11 AM permalink
i don't like blackjack.
you follow a strategy sheet.
if dealer has this and you have this, then you do that.
I find it too mechanical. I Might as well be a robot.
I don't find any fun in it.

I like video poker.
but it's also follow a strategy sheet.
if you have these cards, you do this according to the strategy sheet.

so why do I like vp and not blackjack?
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June 18th, 2017 at 5:11:06 AM permalink
VP is non stop action. Also you can rush making 4000 x your bet... you can also have many other big hits. Visually stimulating with that one more turn psychological effect. Great benefits with VP compared to BJ. No interaction with people so your in your own world with more control for control freaks... or at least a feeling of control. Clearly less heat with VP. Just a few reasons IMO.
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June 18th, 2017 at 5:51:21 AM permalink
Maybe you are a flat bettor like me. It took me a long time to figure out that even though you might be playing a low HE game, the variance is very low too. So it does in fact tend to bore me and if you play long enough the chances of being a winner diminish steadily.

This can be quantified by checking EV/SD. You'll see that as you play long sessions flat-betting BJ, the EV starts to approach one standard deviation at a steady pace [in absolute value]. Personally, I think once EV is even 10% of one SD, it's time to figure you are pushing your luck to continue, if you expect to come out ahead .

I sometimes will play a short session.
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June 18th, 2017 at 8:35:54 AM permalink
I would guess it is because you have a chance to win a large amount relative to your bet. It is the same reason people like slots and carnival games. If Blackjack was a new game introduced today and nobody was familiar with it, the game would fail. the masses want big scores.
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June 18th, 2017 at 12:21:25 PM permalink
I think it's because strategy for blackjack is very simple:

Stand 12 vs 4-6, stand 13 vs 2-3, stand 17 vs 7-A, otherwise hit. That's like 90% of decisions or something.


Video poker is much more complicated, even the most basic of strategies. For a complicated game like 9/7/5 DB, it'd take a paragraph to explain how to play an Ace high hand and many different ways to play it -- Ace only, 3 card flush, A + K/Q/J.

So with video poker, it gives a lot more illusion of decision making when it's really just a more complicated strategy.
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June 18th, 2017 at 12:25:41 PM permalink
Quote: monet0412

VP is non stop action. Also you can rush making 4000 x your bet... you can also have many other big hits. Visually stimulating with that one more turn psychological effect. Great benefits with VP compared to BJ. No interaction with people so your in your own world with more control for control freaks... or at least a feeling of control. Clearly less heat with VP. Just a few reasons IMO.



You can make 4,000x your bet? That must be one heck of a progressive!!!
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June 18th, 2017 at 12:29:04 PM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

You can make 4,000x your bet? That must be one heck of a progressive!!!

UX? STP?
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June 18th, 2017 at 12:29:39 PM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

You can make 4,000x your bet? That must be one heck of a progressive!!!

UX? STP?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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June 18th, 2017 at 12:34:28 PM permalink
Multi strike
Double super times pay
Power house
Barnyard poker
Hot roll poker
Gud times pay
Maybe wheel poker
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June 18th, 2017 at 1:35:29 PM permalink
Multistrike I think is 8 x 800 = 6,400 but you bet 4 units so it's only x 1600 (you bet 20 units to win 32,000).

For the other six variations do we have any pictures of a 5x or more win?

Has anyone hit that? Are there VP junkies that play those variation games? Does the variance become too high with the extra credits bet?
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June 18th, 2017 at 1:45:18 PM permalink
you like Video Poker because:

(1) you are in control over the play.
(2) you are antisocial.
(3) You don't like the dealer.
(4) You want more hands per hour.
(5) You want larger pays and endure the different variance to have a chance at it.
(6) You want measurable comps or have a multiplier with slot play.
(7) You don't want to play with other jerks.
(8) The casino cheats at blackjack (see other thread)
(9) The casino cheats at VP
(10) You would rather stare at a CRT than the middle of a pit.
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June 18th, 2017 at 1:48:28 PM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

Multistrike I think is 8 x 800 = 6,400 but you bet 4 units so it's only x 1600 (you bet 20 units to win 32,000).

For the other six variations do we have any pictures of a 5x or more win?

Has anyone hit that? Are there VP junkies that play those variation games? Does the variance become too high with the extra credits bet?


Some people do, yes.

Variance is higher but that doesn't mean it's unplayable. Either need a bigger edge, bigger bankroll, or lower denom.
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June 18th, 2017 at 1:51:31 PM permalink
No I understand. I just wonder if there are videopoker folk are AP that play these games.
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June 18th, 2017 at 2:02:23 PM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

No I understand. I just wonder if there are videopoker folk are AP that play these games.


im not AP but if there was a multiplier day that puts the vp game over 100%, i'd play it even if there is nose bleed high variance.

ie:
multistrike (9/6 JoB) = 99.79%
variance = 300

this is the highest variance vp game I've ever seen
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June 18th, 2017 at 4:00:30 PM permalink
In black jack it can appear knowing nothing you might be better off at times. Hit/bust, stand/lose, at a few moments you might wish you hunch bet.
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June 18th, 2017 at 4:26:14 PM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

In black jack it can appear knowing nothing you might be better off at times. Hit/bust, stand/lose, at a few moments you might wish you hunch bet.



You could also be batsh*t lucky in VP too by doing something stupid like keeping wrong cards and getting a Royal anyway:

I submit exhibit A:



This strategy is wrong.

This strategy is right.



You can tell what kind of gambler I am - these pay tables are crap.
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June 18th, 2017 at 4:48:13 PM permalink
I'm still waiting for the A,10 suited hold in NSUD where the other three cards are 9, 7, 5 offsuit.
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June 18th, 2017 at 4:51:24 PM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

I'm still waiting for the A,10 suited hold in NSUD where the other three cards are 9, 7, 5 offsuit.



I know someone who claims if they have 2,4,6,8 rainbow with any 10 on single line and redraw a Royal they will quit VP for life.
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June 18th, 2017 at 6:19:17 PM permalink
I'm still waiting to hold 3,4 suited on TDB and redraw three more 3's or 4's.



Semi-recently playing DDB, I held an Ace only and redraw four 2/3/4's. Or maybe it was TDB I don't remember (it was on 5c UX).
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June 18th, 2017 at 8:05:25 PM permalink
Quote: RS

I'm still waiting to hold 3,4 suited on TDB and redraw three more 3's or 4's.


Im still waiting for:
18 yo's in a row and no one bet it once.
To lose 30 hands of BJ in a row. I'm up to 7 as of now, or was it 5? F it, let's round up to 8 and disregard pushes.
Hit 5 single lines Royals in one day, AND STILL LOSE.
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June 18th, 2017 at 8:09:35 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Im still waiting for:
18 yo's in a row and no one bet it once.
To lose 30 hands of BJ in a row. I'm up to 7 as of now, or was it 5? F it, let's round up to 8 and disregard pushes.
Hit 5 single lines Royals in one day, AND STILL LOSE.


I was just playing ten play TDB DSTP. Had one 3,4 suited opportunity and whiffed. Had two royals on separate deals though. I think videopoker.com is rigged.
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June 18th, 2017 at 8:48:15 PM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

I was just playing ten play TDB DSTP. Had one 3,4 suited opportunity and whiffed. Had two royals on separate deals though. I think videopoker.com is rigged.



When you buy the Gold membership it gives you a 2% advantage.

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June 19th, 2017 at 10:14:28 AM permalink
Quote: RS

I'm still waiting to hold 3,4 suited on TDB and redraw three more 3's or 4's.



Semi-recently playing DDB, I held an Ace only and redraw four 2/3/4's. Or maybe it was TDB I don't remember (it was on 5c UX).


Not 3,4 suited but it'll do with suited connectors.
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June 19th, 2017 at 11:16:25 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Im still waiting for:
18 yo's in a row and no one bet it once.
To lose 30 hands of BJ in a row. I'm up to 7 as of now, or was it 5? F it, let's round up to 8 and disregard pushes.
Hit 5 single lines Royals in one day, AND STILL LOSE.



I want three Royals on a Triple Play while holding four cards.
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June 19th, 2017 at 11:21:18 AM permalink
Quote: DRich

I want three Royals on a Triple Play while holding four cards.



Two of three. Third picture down.

http://forum.videopoker.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9067
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June 19th, 2017 at 11:48:59 AM permalink
Quote: DRich

I want three Royals on a Triple Play while holding four cards.

I'm still waiting for the 5th 4 of a kind card to show up.

What suit is it usually, a star? (-;
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June 19th, 2017 at 1:31:53 PM permalink
Nope. You could always play the wrong game. You don't want to know how much I spent to get that hand.

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June 19th, 2017 at 8:09:27 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

I want three Royals on a Triple Play while holding four cards.


Not royals, but check out the first three hands.
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June 19th, 2017 at 8:10:17 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I'm still waiting for the 5th 4 of a kind card to show up.

What suit is it usually, a star? (-;


I'm working on this...

There's a thought, a new 65 card deck. Spades, Hearts, Diamonds, Clubs, Stars.
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June 19th, 2017 at 8:33:27 PM permalink
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I'm working on this...

There's a thought, a new 65 card deck. Spades, Hearts, Diamonds, Clubs, Stars.

That would probably make it worse.
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June 20th, 2017 at 5:58:04 AM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

I'm working on this...

There's a thought, a new 65 card deck. Spades, Hearts, Diamonds, Clubs, Stars.



Not new. It's already out there. I'll try and find it at the house; the name might be 5 Crowns.
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June 20th, 2017 at 6:15:16 AM permalink
I recently threw away all five cards and got As with a kicker! I will upload if I can figure out how.
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June 20th, 2017 at 8:00:08 AM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

I was just playing ten play TDB DSTP. Had one 3,4 suited opportunity and whiffed. Had two royals on separate deals though. I think videopoker.com is rigged.



That's incorrect on 9/6 TDB though. :P

Quote: rsactuary

I recently threw away all five cards and got As with a kicker! I will upload if I can figure out how.



Have to host on a third party site and put it here.

Quote: boymimbo

You could also be batsh*t lucky in VP too by doing something stupid like keeping wrong cards and getting a Royal anyway:

I submit exhibit A:



This strategy is wrong.

This strategy is right.



You can tell what kind of gambler I am - these pay tables are crap.



Another one? But maybe you already posted this in the past and it was in my count. I have seen at least ten examples of Ace Ten royals I think; they all have mathematically incorrect. It really tilts me.
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June 20th, 2017 at 8:07:52 AM permalink
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That's incorrect on 9/6 TDB though. :P


Another one? But maybe you already posted this in the past and it was in my count. I have seen at least ten examples of Ace Ten royals I think; they all have mathematically incorrect. It really tilts me.


Who cares, it's free and I was goofing around :-)

One was mine on that crappy 6/5 BP Spin Poker.
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June 20th, 2017 at 9:02:06 AM permalink
The A-10 Royal is from August 2012 and I am guessing I would have posted this in the big wins thread back when. I think this was at Casino Windsor.
The J-Q Royal was from the Bellagio in March 2010.

I've hit a few playing Multi-Strike (4) - none on level 4 (8x), a few paying pick-em (2-3), many playing multi-hand VP (5/10/50), and three or four playing single hand - three of them I've posted here -- one at Windsor, one at the airport (a month ago), 1 at Bellagio.
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June 20th, 2017 at 11:17:08 PM permalink
Quote: tringlomane


Another one? But maybe you already posted this in the past and it was in my count. I have seen at least ten examples of Ace Ten royals I think; they all have mathematically incorrect. It really tilts me.



ATs is actually a strong play. Not many people do it, therefore the machine is more likely to give you a royal since most people hold QJs or some stupid junk like that. The machine is due to pay out on ATs at many casinos.
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June 20th, 2017 at 11:27:16 PM permalink
Quote: djatc

ATs is actually a strong play. Not many people do it, therefore the machine is more likely to give you a royal since most people hold QJs or some stupid junk like that. The machine is due to pay out on ATs at many casinos.


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June 20th, 2017 at 11:58:09 PM permalink
The casino gaffes the machines with the good paytables so I only play the bad ones. However, I refuse to play another hand of VP til I see the full, unshuffled deck spread before me every hand. Laugh at me and I swear I'll f**KING call gaming on all y'all!
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