DrawingDead
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June 9th, 2017 at 10:44:21 PM permalink
Quote: MaxPen

... Have a look around the Linq next time it rains a 1/4"

Yes! Known for years as "The IP (Imperial Palace) River/Rapids" and "Lake Audrie" and "The Koval Sea." Really quite impressive when it gets cranked up enough to carry away assorted luggage, furniture, bodies, whatever from whoknowswhere, and probably my favorite unofficial Strip sightseeing attraction! Provided I wasn't foolish enough to park in the garage in monsoon season with much of the population of California, where everyone will now be trapped (and hilariously demanding that "somebody do something!") for about a day and a half.

But I only peeked in here hoping for the restoration of vital infrastructure in the form of a < $6 footlong Spicy Italian on parmesan-oregano, after the death of same on the Strip came with the assassination of O'Sheas, so y'all just carry on playing with your magic choo-choo dreams.
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777
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June 10th, 2017 at 6:01:30 AM permalink
Quote: MrV

I understand that the cost of installing an underground transportation system now would probably be prohibitive, but why didn't they consider it "back in the day?"

One possible way the powers that control the Nevada purse strings could fund it would be via a quid pro quo: have the feds pick up the tab in exchange for dropping their objection to a permanent nuclear waster repository at Yucca mountain.

*not feasible, just a pipe dream*



Who would have known the rapid population growth, the rapid growth in gaming properties & revenues, and other rapid industrial, commercial & residential developments "back in the day?"

Perhaps the failure of city planners in forecasting city's growth, the poor planning in urban development, the lack of tax revenue, the citizens' lack of interest, the political gamesmanships, or technical obstacles can be reasons why underground transportation was not planned back then. Luckily, there are many alternate transportation solutions to underground subways, and Las Vegas was able adjusted and adapted to the congested highways and roads. Congestion is very common problem in many big cities, but it is a thing that people can get use to and is easily adaptable.

What if another issue like nuclear waste disposal in Yucca mountain that you pointed out, or climate change where the consequential impact can be catastrophic & result in lifelong lasting impact if not properly planned? Let's take the current controversial climate change topic as an example -- there are two sides to this topic: climate change is a hoax, and climate change is real. What is the potential impact of climate change, how should we (and all people on planet Earth also) tackle it and what would be consequence if we all ignore it? And if we tackle climate change now, and later in distance future we realized that there is no climate change, what harm was made due to our err in judgment?

Climate change or other planning can be about risk v. benefit, and risk management, but I am not going to address the climate change issue in details here because I don't want to hijack this Las Vegas urban's subway planning thread and turn it to the World's planning for climate change thread. I only bring up climate change here because it relates to future planning whether it is a local & small scale like Las Vegas' subway, or a much bigger scale like the planet Earth's climate change that can cause severe impact to the entire World's population; and because I also want everyone to think about the consequence of our action and in-action in planning for our future at local level and the future of planet Earth at a worldwide level.

As I briefly alluded to earlier, urban planning and development would require forecasting or projection. Although no one can predict the future with high degree of certainty, after all we are all human and can make mistake, but we all can still plan for the future using the available technical/scientific data and analysis to the best of our ability. It is important for city planners, leaders and citizens to work together in planning for the future, and when evaluating the consequential impact of action vs. no action, IMO, conservative decision should be made base on the "err on side of caution" principle if the potential adverse impact can be catastrophic or is lifelong lasting.
JohnnyQ
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June 10th, 2017 at 8:50:39 AM permalink
I do think an interesting side-topic here would be...

- What could/should be done to "cost effectively" ease the traffic congestion on the Strip ?

- And/or, is there any reason to try and do that ?
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billryan
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June 10th, 2017 at 10:25:35 AM permalink
I imagine that forty years ago, there discussion was what can we do about the traffic on Fremont Street.
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Ibeatyouraces
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June 10th, 2017 at 10:28:42 AM permalink
Get rid of the trucks advertising porn would help a tad.
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Calder
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June 10th, 2017 at 11:42:17 AM permalink
Quote: JohnnyQ

I do think an interesting side-topic here would be...

- What could/should be done to "cost effectively" ease the traffic congestion on the Strip ?

- And/or, is there any reason to try and do that ?



Possibly closing it to private vehicles. Allow only cabs, buses, and shuttles. I'd prohibit limos. This might also free up enough space for the Wiz's monorail idea within the current right-of-way.

But in the end, the strip congestion doesn't bother me, I know enough to just avoid it.
FleaStiff
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June 10th, 2017 at 11:46:33 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

One light rain sprinkle and a subway would probably flood.

That was my first thought. Despite the enormous cost of boring and the inevitable discrepancy between where pipes are indicated and where they actually are, rember why the land at the old IP was so cheap, it was built over a flood drain.

BEST would be a trackless train....one that follows pavement painted rectangles. No rails, no boring, no construction. Just paint four inch square dice on the strip and its 'instant light rail without any rails'.
SanchoPanza
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June 10th, 2017 at 12:00:58 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

BEST would be a trackless train....one that follows pavement painted rectangles. No rails, no boring, no construction. Just paint four inch square dice on the strip and its 'instant light rail without any rails'.


Updated June 9, 2017 - 9:47 pm
Gov. Brian Sandoval gave the green light this week for officials to seek funding to build a light-rail line that could cost up to $705 million and carry passengers from McCarran International Airport to downtown Las Vegas as soon as 2023. -lvrj.com
FleaStiff
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June 10th, 2017 at 12:01:17 PM permalink
Quote: 777

urban planning and development would require forecasting or projection.

Urban planners are fools with crystal balls that want to impose their visions on property that they do not own.
777
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June 10th, 2017 at 12:52:18 PM permalink
Quote: JohnnyQ

I do think an interesting side-topic here would be...

- What could/should be done to "cost effectively" ease the traffic congestion on the Strip ?

- And/or, is there any reason to try and do that ?



Can the strip be widened much further?

I donít think the underground subway or above ground rail system can alleviate traffic congestions on the strip because it does not result in great reduction of number of automobiles passing through the strip daily. The underground subway or above ground rail system provides convenience for tourist and local residents who donít drive or donít have cars. The buses traveling the strip daily are in very small number (perhaps 10 buses at most at any one given time???), so replacing these buses with an underground subway or above ground rail system does little to nothing to ease the congestion. I guess Las Vegas resident on the strip must adjust and adapt to the congestion just like any other big cities.

Also, a single mono rail solution like many people here had suggested will cause havoc in waiting time and therefore is not practical. Who would want to wait 30 minutes or more at each on/off stop? For the mono rail system to be effective in reducing riderís waiting time, I think there must be at least 2 to 4 mono rail lines running simultaneously (perhaps 2 express lines & 2 regular lines). Is the strip wide enough to accommodate 4 mono rail lines? And if it is feasible, what about cost of a single rail line vs. two or four rail lines?

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