Trump's Final 100 days
Quote: billryanDow is down near 4,000 points since its high, almost all of which can be traced to trumps policy or inactions.
Possibly intentional so him and his family can score huge profits from.
Quote: terapinedLooks like a delayed reaction
down over 700 points as of 3pm today
Wow
This sucks and its all due to Trump
Hey, at least his rich friends have probably profited somehow, and surely it will trickle down to us someday...
That's how a Trump economy works, right?
EDIT: And I see President Snowflake is once again skipping the White House Correspondent's dinner.
Some day people in rural communities are going to figure this out. Reminds me of this line from Orange Is the New Black, plane full of prisoners being transported flying over the midwest:
"Ain't no mountains in the Midwest, dumbass. There's plains and corn and a sh*t ton of white people who don't vote in their best interest."
Quote: SteverinosThere's a reason why Trump isn't bragging on the stock market anymore. His policies have stunted the bull run we were enjoying under President Obama.
#thankswhinylittleb**ch
Quote: The racist, sexist, rapist, incompetent, scam-artist, and egomaniac TrumpTrade wars are good and easy to win.
China as a nation has its own pride and will not be succumbed to the tit-for-tat tariff game of chicken initiated by the racist, sexist, rapist, incompetent, scam-artist, and egomaniac Trump. The racist, sexist, rapist, incompetent, scam-artist Trump on the other hand is a egomaniac who thinks all about himself.
Before us is a nation with pride and an egotistical individual who thinks all about himself in a tit-for-tat tariff game of chicken. Who will blink first? It would be very difficult to find a face saving solution, and my guess is nobody will blink, and there will be trade wars where American consumers are the biggest casualties.
Hold on now.Quote: billryanDow is down near 4,000 points since its high, almost all of which can be traced to trumps policy or inactions.
When the market was kicking ass many of the Trump supporters were all crowing about that. Many of the Trump haters (not sure if you were one of them) were claiming it had nothing to do with Trump, but now that the market is going the other way, suddenly it's because of Trump.
Personally, I do think He has a significant effect on the market.
If the market goes up and the economy does good, will you give him credit?
Then there's a zone of a couple months, during the transition where it's probably not fair to attribute much of anything.
Quote: AxelWolfHold on now.
When the market was kicking ass many of the Trump supporters were all crowing about that. Many of the Trump haters (not sure if you were one of them) were claiming it had nothing to do with Trump, but now that the market is going the other way, suddenly it's because of Trump.
Personally, I do think He has a significant effect on the market.
If the market goes up and the economy does good, will you give him credit?
Trump had not made any financial or trade policies prior to the tax bill that you could attribute the gains to. There was momentum when he entered office and that continued.
The market decline is most certainly due to the recent trade announcements, but it was also up something like 40% the first half of the year. Things were bound to go into correction mode at some point, and I think anything else could have triggered it just as easily.
The market rose because people were optimistic about opportunity under trump but they quickly caught on that it was mostly an illusion. Trump gave people money to get their cars washed while giving his friends new jets.
Why not praise them Trump? (even though they in fact pay taxes) For being "smart" like you? Why attack them?
Because you're a douche.
Quote: AxelWolfHold on now.
When the market was kicking ass many of the Trump supporters were all crowing about that. Many of the Trump haters (not sure if you were one of them) were claiming it had nothing to do with Trump, but now that the market is going the other way, suddenly it's because of Trump.
Personally, I do think He has a significant effect on the market.
If the market goes up and the economy does good, will you give him credit?
I would characterize it as: initially up after he was elected, on optimism, speculation, and expectations, down since then on the reality of his actual decisions.
The most recent down trend is fear of a trade war. That isn't quite reality yet since I do not think most recently announced tarriffs by China have been put into effect.
Quote: TigerWu
Man! Even Gerald Ford was more popular than him
Quote: darkozQuote: TigerWu
Man! Even Gerald Ford was more popular than him
If you change the options to look at 4 and 8 years, though, some of those presidents got REALLY unpopular, so Trump still has a chance to not be the least popular president in generations.
Quote: AxelWolfI'm not arguing what effect the president does or doesn't have on the market. I actully think what you and Gamefreak said was correct. I just want to know, if when all is said and done, will Bill and others who are now blaming Trump for the downturn if the market does well will they then give him credit? And will they do the same for all presidents going forward win lose or draw?
When trump was elected i had this distant hope that he would turn into a Henry the V and show the world he was just playing an idiot so the expectations of the world could be so easily lifted high
Unfortunately that wasn't the case
They’ve infiltrated our corporations and universities, where they steal intellectual property. IBM
They’re exploiting the very open research and development environment that we have, which we all revere. But they’re taking advantage of it.” Christopher Wray
WAPO
They counterfeit our products and pirate our software. USA Today
If they want trade war, Good.
And send their 330,000 students and 21,000 H1B visa’s packing while we’re at it.
A message from my Senator:
Quote: Dalex64I would characterize it as: initially up after he was elected, on optimism, speculation, and expectations, down since then on the reality of his actual decisions.
I'd agree with that, with the added note that he had already made an outline of the tax changes, including large drops for businesses, which gave Wall Street a lot to be optimistic about. I purchased quite a few stocks in part based on what they had overseas and the chance that would both be repatriated and a large portion would end up in share holders, which seems to have worked quite well so far.
Quote: Dalex64The most recent down trend is fear of a trade war. That isn't quite reality yet since I do not think most recently announced tarriffs by China have been put into effect.
As I recall most tariffs take 2 months before they are active. The question now is which Trump will come to the top? Will it be the Belligerent Trump that thinks he knows everything and ignores the masses of people who are saying you can't win this war, or Fallback Trump, who blusters to make himself look important but then realizes our best interest is to come to an agreement.
Quote: AxelWolfI'm not arguing what effect the president does or doesn't have on the market. I actully think what you and Gamefreak said was correct. I just want to know, if when all is said and done, will Bill and others who are now blaming Trump for the downturn if the market does well will they then give him credit? And will they do the same for all presidents going forward win lose or draw?
Let me try to explain this simply.
Lets say I had 1,000 shares of Amazon and they sell for $100. We agree my shares are worth $100,000.
Trump starts telling bold faced lies about the company and the stock goes down to $90. I just lost $10,000. Because the man lied.
Is he to blame for it going down? In a few weeks, when people realize this was just more blather and the stock goes back up, does he deserve credit for it rising?
He proposes a 50 Billion dollar increase in tariffs with China. China says okay, so we will raise our tariffs $50 Billion. Trump says do that and I'll raise another 100 Billion. Now we have gone, in a matter of days from sucking $50 Billion out of the economy to threatening to suck 300 Billion out of it. Taking 300 billion dollars out of the Consumer marketplace isn't conducive to thinking the market will rise.
Quote:America was turning inward with protectionist policies. The government was restricting trade with other countries. And in an effort to save U.S. factories, a couple of congressmen came up with a plan. It was formally called the Tariff Act of 1930, but it's more commonly known as the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act.
The plan faced a lot of opposition, but it ultimately became law. The act raised tariffs on American imports to nearly record levels. But instead of reviving the economy, it actually exacerbated the Great Depression.
Nations across the world were striking each other with tit-for-tit tariffs. European countries put a tax on American goods, which slowed trade between the U.S. and Europe. That made it harder for the U.S. to crawl out of its economic slump.
Nationalist rhetoric was heating up, with countries blaming others for their struggles. All of that eventually escalated, turning a trade war into a real war when World War II began.
That's why after the war ended, nations formed the World Trade Organization to regulate international trade, in the hopes that nothing like the global trade war of the 1930s would ever happen again.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/04/one-of-the-biggest-us-trade-wars-of-the-past-had-a-tragic-consequence--heres-what-happened.html
So that's a NO.Quote: billryanLet me try to explain this simply.
Lets say I had 1,000 shares of Amazon and they sell for $100. We agree my shares are worth $100,000.
Trump starts telling bold faced lies about the company and the stock goes down to $90. I just lost $10,000. Because the man lied.
Is he to blame for it going down? In a few weeks, when people realize this was just more blather and the stock goes back up, does he deserve credit for it rising?
He proposes a 50 Billion dollar increase in tariffs with China. China says okay, so we will raise our tariffs $50 Billion. Trump says do that and I'll raise another 100 Billion. Now we have gone, in a matter of days from sucking $50 Billion out of the economy to threatening to suck 300 Billion out of it. Taking 300 billion dollars out of the Consumer marketplace isn't conducive to thinking the market will rise.
No matter what happens with the market and the economy you will not give him credit. Trump could end world hunger, find the cure for cancer, end the drug problem, end-all war and you would still not give him credit.
Quote: FaceMight get ignored or whoosh right over heads, but nothing gets done without an attempt...
Quote: Hermann Goering
Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.
There are none so blind, and all that...
Da!n that was the best thing I read today.
Quote: 777China as a nation has its own pride and will not be succumbed to the tit-for-tat tariff game of chicken initiated by the racist, sexist, rapist, incompetent, scam-artist, and egomaniac Trump. The racist, sexist, rapist, incompetent, scam-artist Trump on the other hand is a egomaniac who thinks all about himself.
Who will blink first? It would be very difficult to find a face saving solution, and my guess is nobody will blink, and there will be trade wars where American consumers are the biggest casualties.
Most people agree that doing business in China is unfair to Americans because of the rules that Americans have to have to do business in China where all of their intellectual property is stolen.
But trade inbalances have alot more to do with currency fixing than anything else. In any case the solution is not tariffs. China has seasoned politicians and scenarios to deal with any situation where as the Americans are flying by the seat of Foxnews' pants. Almost literally.
Quote: AxelWolfHold on now.
When the market was kicking ass many of the Trump supporters were all crowing about that. Many of the Trump haters (not sure if you were one of them) were claiming it had nothing to do with Trump, but now that the market is going the other way, suddenly it's because of Trump.
Personally, I do think He has a significant effect on the market.
If the market goes up and the economy does good, will you give him credit?
Yes. If he caused it. What did TRUMP actually do in his first 11 months in office to make the stock market and economy him? Answer: nothing. We would have been able to credit him with stock market gains after he signed the tax bill, but now with the tariff crap we can only blame the major drop on him alone
Quote: AxelWolfSo that's a NO.
No matter what happens with the market and the economy you will not give him credit. Trump could end world hunger, find the cure for cancer, end the drug problem, end-all war and you would still not give him credit.
If he actually found a cure for cancer i would give him credit
But more likely he would claim cancer was a fake news story... that there is no such thing and install a health and human services advisor that tries to defund cancer research while raising cancer related drug prices
Quote: AxelWolfHold on now.
When the market was kicking ass many of the Trump supporters were all crowing about that. Many of the Trump haters (not sure if you were one of them) were claiming it had nothing to do with Trump, but now that the market is going the other way, suddenly it's because of Trump.
You are certainly free to view Trump with as much objectivity as possible. Did any Trump supporter actually have any objective criteria for which to measure Trump when he won the election? Did anyone ever come up with something that could actually qualify as Making America Great Again?
On economic issues I like to use changes in the stock market (current state of the economy) and National Debt (what barriers did he put up or take down for us in the future). We'll see how Trump did in those areas compared to Obama, Bush, and Clinton a year or so after he leaves office (2022 or 2026). My prediction is Trump will not look good. I hope I'm wrong
Quote: AxelWolfSo that's a NO.
No matter what happens with the market and the economy you will not give him credit. Trump could end world hunger, find the cure for cancer, end the drug problem, end-all war and you would still not give him credit.
It is hard to think clearly on dollar store ribeyes.😃
Quote: AxelWolfSo that's a NO.
No matter what happens with the market and the economy you will not give him credit. Trump could end world hunger, find the cure for cancer, end the drug problem, end-all war and you would still not give him credit.
I don't give any President credit for a good market. They can hurt it, but not really help it. I'd love to see trump cure cancer or hunger. I'm just not expecting it. Luckily, he might get a head start on his private research.
Quote: darkozIf he actually found a cure for cancer i would give him credit
But more likely he would claim cancer was a fake news story... that there is no such thing and install a health and human services advisor that tries to defund cancer research while raising cancer related drug prices
In that case by he's already resolved climate change.
Quote: rxwineFBI just raided Trump's lawyer's office, Michael Cohen.
So this means we're gonna have airstrikes on Syria in 3.... 2....
So the end of lawyer-client privilege has no importance. Next: end of spousal privilege.Quote: ams288So this means we're gonna have airstrikes on Syria in 3.... 2....
It's not nice when they hit farmers specifically because they think it hits me. That being said we're doing very well on trade and trade deals.
DT
Quote: rxwineFBI just raided Trump's lawyer's office, Michael Cohen.
Pandora's Box about to be opened.... stay tuned!
Quote: SanchoPanzaSo the end of lawyer-client privilege has no importance.
Multiple news outlets are reporting this raid was focused on documents relating to the Stormy Daniels payment.
Can there be privilege if the client knows nothing about it, as Donald claimed last Thursday aboard AF1?
"The ethical duty of client-lawyer confidentiality is quite extensive in terms of what information is protected. It applies not only to matters communicated in confidence by the client but also to all information relating to the representation regardless of whether it came from the client herself, or from another source. It applies in all situations, though a lawyer may be required to testify regarding client communications under compulsion of law.Quote: ams288Can there be privilege if the client knows nothing about it, as Donald claimed last Thursday aboard AF1?
"So, if a court determines that particular information is not covered by the attorney-client privilege, it still may be covered by the lawyer’s ethical duty of confidentiality. However, under the exception to confidentiality related to compliance with a court order, the lawyer may be compelled to reveal the information nonetheless. Material not shielded by the lawyer work-product doctrine may likewise still be encompassed under the ethical duty of confidentiality.
"Confidential information is to remain confidential throughout the representation, and thereafter, even after the death of the client. Along with the basic principle of maintaining the privacy of client information, a key precept of ethically maintaining confidentiality is that the information not be used to the detriment of the client, but rather only to advance the client’s interests. Even information gained about the client after the representation has concluded is to be kept confidential." --American Bar Association
I'd rather listen to the talking heads on cable news!
Quote: SanchoPanza"The ethical duty of client-lawyer confidentiality is quite extensive in terms of what information is protected. It applies not only to matters communicated in confidence by the client but also to all information relating to the representation regardless of whether it came from the client herself, or from another source. It applies in all situations, though a lawyer may be required to testify regarding client communications under compulsion of law.
"So, if a court determines that particular information is not covered by the attorney-client privilege, it still may be covered by the lawyer’s ethical duty of confidentiality. However, under the exception to confidentiality related to compliance with a court order, the lawyer may be compelled to reveal the information nonetheless. Material not shielded by the lawyer work-product doctrine may likewise still be encompassed under the ethical duty of confidentiality.
"Confidential information is to remain confidential throughout the representation, and thereafter, even after the death of the client. Along with the basic principle of maintaining the privacy of client information, a key precept of ethically maintaining confidentiality is that the information not be used to the detriment of the client, but rather only to advance the client’s interests. Even information gained about the client after the representation has concluded is to be kept confidential." --American Bar Association
If only the lawyers who prepared the warrant or the judge who signed off had access to that information.
Quote: SanchoPanza"The ethical duty of client-lawyer confidentiality is quite extensive in terms of what information is protected. It applies not only to matters communicated in confidence by the client but also to all information relating to the representation regardless of whether it came from the client herself, or from another source. It applies in all situations, though a lawyer may be required to testify regarding client communications under compulsion of law.
"So, if a court determines that particular information is not covered by the attorney-client privilege, it still may be covered by the lawyer’s ethical duty of confidentiality. However, under the exception to confidentiality related to compliance with a court order, the lawyer may be compelled to reveal the information nonetheless. Material not shielded by the lawyer work-product doctrine may likewise still be encompassed under the ethical duty of confidentiality.
"Confidential information is to remain confidential throughout the representation, and thereafter, even after the death of the client. Along with the basic principle of maintaining the privacy of client information, a key precept of ethically maintaining confidentiality is that the information not be used to the detriment of the client, but rather only to advance the client’s interests. Even information gained about the client after the representation has concluded is to be kept confidential." --American Bar Association
Apparently that doesnt apply if there is criminality conducted between client and attorney.
Source is news outlets so call it fake i guess. Not gonna help it looks like lol
Lock em up
Quote: SanchoPanzaSo the end of lawyer-client privilege has no importance. Next: end of spousal privilege.
Privilege does not apply if the investigation is about whether the lawyer committed a crime. Apparently that normally is a pretty high bar to pass. This can't be good for Mr. Cohen. His legal fees will probably eclipse 7 figures when this is all said and done.
Quote: SOOPOOPrivilege does not apply if the investigation is about whether the lawyer committed a crime. Apparently that normally is a pretty high bar to pass. This can't be good for Mr. Cohen. His legal fees will probably eclipse 7 figures when this is all said and done.
Maybe he can get stormy to return the money
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Jamie Allman, a conservative commentator at a Sinclair-owned television station, resigned after tweeting that he planned to sexually assault Parkland shooting survivor David Hogg with “a hot poker.”
Allman hosted a show on KDNL, a Sinclair Broadcast Group-owned ABC affiliate in St. Louis, as well as a morning FM radio show. He lost advertisers after the threat.
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There is a moment where he says he is greatly disappointed in sessions and his recusal and if sessions had informed him he was going to recuse himself he(trump) would have picked someone else
In other words he basically admits he would have obstructed justice. Picking an AG for the express purpose of him not investigating you is classic obstruction and abuse of power
This president is his own worst enemy lol
Quote: darkozWatched trumps speech criticising the raid on his attorneys home
There is a moment where he says he is greatly disappointed in sessions and his recusal and if sessions had informed him he was going to recuse himself he(trump) would have picked someone else
In other words he basically admits he would have obstructed justice. Picking an AG for the express purpose of him not investigating you is classic obstruction and abuse of power
This president is his own worst enemy lol
Donald looked like a cornered rat during that weird rant about the raid on Cohen. He should be scared...
But NO, it's real. Tucker really did report on sex crazed pandas last night...
Quote: ams288I saw this screen grab on Twitter this morning and thought it was an Anchorman-inspired joke highlighting the lengths Fox goes to to ignore Donald's scandals.
But NO, it's real. Tucker really did report on sex crazed pandas last night...
Those poor republicans with their eyes closed!
Meanwhile, our righties are kind of :crickets: today.
