billryan
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May 9th, 2017 at 12:36:01 AM permalink
I saw a short video about how normal people were able to do amazing things using a routine that you visualize what you need to remember as common items you pass on your daily routine.
This is the website for the free trainer.
I just started but it's pretty interesting.

www.memocamp.com
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May 9th, 2017 at 6:06:14 AM permalink
Have you read the book Moonwalk With Einstien? It is an interesting story and explains lots of memory tricks.
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May 9th, 2017 at 7:20:00 AM permalink
One of the most notable memory tricks (I've seen/learned) is to put the key points to specific detail. For example... let's say you wanted to remember the number 98901848. You create a story around it:

My character lives on 989 Blackajck Avenue, always starts at TC 0, and the biggest count he's ever seen is TC +18... he's been winning in the game for 48 years.

Say that over and over and the "story" is vastly easier to remember than the number itself.
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May 9th, 2017 at 7:39:55 AM permalink
Quote: DRich

Have you read the book Moonwalk With Einstien? It is an interesting story and explains lots of memory tricks.


I really enjoyed that book, and with very little practice was able to memorize a deck of cards.
However applying that in the casino is not so easy.
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May 9th, 2017 at 7:42:16 AM permalink
Quote: Romes

One of the most notable memory tricks (I've seen/learned) is to put the key points to specific detail. For example... let's say you wanted to remember the number 98901848. You create a story around it:


I used to do quiz bowl in high school, and bar trivia in college. The "team" I played with was way ahead of me in knowledge. One of the guys did exactly what Romes was talking about to memorize dates. His mnemonic device was to sometimes convert numbers to letters either by looks or sound. For example, 1 = I, 2 = T, 3 = E, 4 = F... etc... Then make a story with the last two digits of the year.

Michael Jackson was born in 1958. Keep the 5. Change the 8 to "B" because they look similar.... = "5B"

Maybe, "5 Born"? As in, born into the Jackson 5? Sounds stupid, but I'll never forget it now.
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May 9th, 2017 at 8:32:51 AM permalink
One method is applying stuff to your daily routine. Don't remember the name of the book now, but it explained how to do this well. For instance, you make a map of your house.

Start in your bathroom, then go to your bedroom, then the hallway, then living room, then kitchen, then the other bathroom, then go up the stairs, go into bedroom 1......etc.

Works well with lists, like if you're grocery shopping. First you imagine mayonnaise coming out of your shower, getting all over the place, etc. don't just think of a jar of mayonnaise on the sink because you'll forget that.

Then when you're in your bedroom you don't imagine a single tomato on your bed, you imagine your entire bed as having a planters box, filled with soil, tomatoes growing out of it.

In the hallway, don't just imagine a can or box of Pepsi. Imagine a big display of boxes of Pepsi (like you would at the store).


You should also add other things that will help you remember it more. Smell, texture, visual, etc. (Not just a patch of tomatoes on your bed, but they're rotting, smelly, flies or other bugs are flying around, some of them have gotten smashed and you can see the disgusting insides of the tomato and their seeds.)



A single tomato on your bed is easily forgotten. But describing it better in your mind (like what I did above) is easily remembered.



And/or you can just remember something that'll trigger the memory of something else. IE: Instead of the ingredients for something, just remember that one thing you want to make or something that uses those ingredients.
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May 9th, 2017 at 8:53:19 AM permalink
Quote: Melco

I used to do quiz bowl in high school, and bar trivia in college. The "team" I played with was way ahead of me in knowledge. One of the guys did exactly what Romes was talking about to memorize dates. His mnemonic device was to sometimes convert numbers to letters either by looks or sound. For example, 1 = I, 2 = T, 3 = E, 4 = F... etc...

Quote: RS

One method is applying stuff to your daily routine. Don't remember the name of the book now, but it explained how to do this well. For instance, you make a map of your house.

Start in your bathroom, then go to your bedroom, then the hallway, then living room, then kitchen, then the other bathroom, then go up the stairs, go into bedroom 1......etc.

Both techniques (encoding numbers as letter-sounds in words, & Roman "visit the house") can be combined for fast random-access.
(1) The letters that go with each number...have a logic (e.g. 3 looks like E).
(2) Attach a number #1-20+ to each room in your house...using the letter-sound system.
(3) Make a trip through the house with the list you want to remember, and attach the numbers to the items on the list.

I forget which memory book discussed advanced memory tricks. The author got a job on Wall Street by memorizing all the company symbols. He also could meet 500-1000 people at a gathering & remember all their names.

Check out
https://books.google.com/books?id=Fg64AwAAQBAJ&pg=PT15&lpg=PT15&dq=memorize+all+of+the+ticker+symbols+on+the+NYSE&source=bl&ots=WiSKRyC_8T&sig=uXkQr0u9-LOnt8j0vZtOUiIzkxA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwif0bizmOPTAhWoxFQKHQDKA4QQ6AEILjAB#v=onepage&q=memorize%20all%20of%20the%20ticker%20symbols%20on%20the%20NYSE&f=false

http://tim.blog/2007/09/05/savant-school-how-to-memorize-10000-numbers-and-more
http://artofmemory.com/wiki/How_to_Build_a_Memory_Palace
http://artofmemory.com/wiki/Artificial_Memory_Palaces
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Method_of_loci
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_Memory

The technical names are "Method Loci", "Memory Palaces", and "Phonetic Encoding of Numbers"

I don't bother with mnemonics anymore. I use my iPod to take notes (and a spreadsheet on my MacBook Air).
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May 9th, 2017 at 8:58:57 AM permalink
Quote: RS

One method is applying stuff to your daily routine. Don't remember the name of the book now, but it explained how to do this well.



Not the best endorsement for a book on memory :)
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May 9th, 2017 at 9:02:01 AM permalink
Quote: TumblingBones

Not the best endorsement for a book on memory :)

Personally, I find "forgetting" more useful than "remembering".

I can use Google & my notes to rediscover stuff.

I want to use my mind bandwidth to
(1) not-think & just enjoy life (ala meditate & be in the moment)
(2) Learn & experience new stuff

I tried the memory tricks for a few months about 30 years ago, and decided "not my cup of tea".

P.S. If you learn to read braille, you can use a braille printer to print stuff on little sheets of paper, and put them in your pockets.
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May 9th, 2017 at 11:18:45 AM permalink
Ah found it. It's called How to develop the perfect memory by Dominic O'Brien.
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May 9th, 2017 at 11:24:47 AM permalink
Quote: RS

Ah found it. It's called How to develop the perfect memory by Dominic O'Brien.

What, you forgot the name/author? Must not be too efficient then ;-).
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May 9th, 2017 at 1:27:50 PM permalink
Quote: mamat

Both techniques (encoding numbers as letter-sounds in words, & Roman "visit the house") can be combined for fast random-access.
(1) The letters that go with each number...have a logic (e.g. 3 looks like E).
(2) Attach a number #1-20+ to each room in your house...using the letter-sound system.
(3) Make a trip through the house with the list you want to remember, and attach the numbers to the items on the list.

I forget which memory book discussed advanced memory tricks. The author got a job on Wall Street by memorizing all the company symbols. He also could meet 500-1000 people at a gathering & remember all their names.

Check out
https://books.google.com/books?id=Fg64AwAAQBAJ&pg=PT15&lpg=PT15&dq=memorize+all+of+the+ticker+symbols+on+the+NYSE&source=bl&ots=WiSKRyC_8T&sig=uXkQr0u9-LOnt8j0vZtOUiIzkxA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwif0bizmOPTAhWoxFQKHQDKA4QQ6AEILjAB#v=onepage&q=memorize%20all%20of%20the%20ticker%20symbols%20on%20the%20NYSE&f=false

http://tim.blog/2007/09/05/savant-school-how-to-memorize-10000-numbers-and-more
http://artofmemory.com/wiki/How_to_Build_a_Memory_Palace
http://artofmemory.com/wiki/Artificial_Memory_Palaces
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Method_of_loci
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_Memory

The technical names are "Method Loci", "Memory Palaces", and "Phonetic Encoding of Numbers"

I don't bother with mnemonics anymore. I use my iPod to take notes (and a spreadsheet on my MacBook Air).




The site I linked is for Loci.
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