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May 25th, 2017 at 6:52:16 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

Has anyone used "Coinbase" to buy and sell BC?

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/25/here-are-the-ways-to-buy-bitcoin.html


Yea, they stopped serving US customers For sales a while ago if I am remembering correctly.
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May 25th, 2017 at 7:06:57 PM permalink
I use coinbase. They charge 1.5% on bank account transactions, both buy and sell. I think maybe 3.9% on credit card purchases.

It took about a week to setup the account to work with my bank account, and there is still a 7 day delay on all purchases.

There is some option to open a trading account where you place your own buy and sell orders. I haven't done it because it would just take too much of my attention away from working.
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May 25th, 2017 at 7:14:05 PM permalink
I could be thinking of circle pay then.

I have an account on Kraken as well but haven't purchased any yet.
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May 25th, 2017 at 9:31:02 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

PM me. I'm open to selling you a WizCoin, which is pegged to the value of a BitCoin.

I WANT IN.

Can I buy and sell as long as it's documented?

I want at least 5k worth.

I also get a commission for suggesting Wizcoin.
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May 25th, 2017 at 10:05:18 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I WANT IN.

Can I buy and sell as long as it's documented?

I want at least 5k worth.

I also get a commission for suggesting Wizcoin.



Mike only sold me a quarter Wizcoins

But then again I didn't put up cash so who knows
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May 25th, 2017 at 10:07:36 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I WANT IN.

Can I buy and sell as long as it's documented?

I want at least 5k worth.

I also get a commission for suggesting Wizcoin.



PM and we'll negotiate. You can do whatever business you want with others all you wish.
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May 25th, 2017 at 10:19:34 PM permalink
Let the record show I just made the same deal with RS as I did with djatc, for the sale of 0.25 Wizcoin, in this post. With RS the current price, per https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin/ is $2427.62. RS is expected to confirm the deal here within 5 minutes.
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May 25th, 2017 at 10:21:09 PM permalink
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can I get some drink tickets for this bet?


If I had a Stanley Nickel for every time djatc said this, I'd have an entire Schrute Buck.
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May 25th, 2017 at 10:21:32 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Let the record show I just made the same deal with RS as I did with djatc, for the sale of 0.25 Wizcoin, in this post. With RS the current price, per https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin/ is $2427.62. RS is expected to confirm the deal here within 5 minutes.


Confirm
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May 25th, 2017 at 10:54:49 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Let the record show I just made the same deal with RS as I did with djatc, for the sale of 0.25 Wizcoin, in this post. With RS the current price, per https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin/ is $2427.62. RS is expected to confirm the deal here within 5 minutes.



Why would you naked short something in the middle of a hyperbolic move? At least wait for a confirmed break in the trend. Although you may have just got lucky.

Anyone want to make a bet that we see 2000 before 3000? I would like to get 2-1 odds on this, due to recent events.
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May 26th, 2017 at 4:39:15 AM permalink
Didn't the Wizard sell his precious metals near the top of the market to a forum member here? Maybe that was just a small amount of his inventory but still damn impressive.
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May 26th, 2017 at 12:05:15 PM permalink
Quote: RogerKint

Didn't the Wizard sell his precious metals near the top of the market to a forum member here? Maybe that was just a small amount of his inventory but still damn impressive.



Yes, just two ounces but I did time that well, thinking gold was overvalued. Speaking of precious metals, I just bought about $3,000 worth of bulk silver dimes and quarters.
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May 26th, 2017 at 12:15:21 PM permalink
Quote: MaxPen

Why would you naked short something in the middle of a hyperbolic move? At least wait for a confirmed break in the trend. Although you may have just got lucky.



I feel very strongly it is overvalued and all the buying is driven by hysteria and greed. I'm 52 and have seen plenty of bubbles in my time and they all pop sooner or later.

For what it is worth, my timing may have been perfect. Just a day later and the price has plunged to $2182 by the same source as the buy price. I've already made a 6.5% profit on one Wizcoin deal and 10.1% on the other.
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May 26th, 2017 at 1:48:31 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I feel very strongly it is overvalued and all the buying is driven by hysteria and greed. I'm 52 and have seen plenty of bubbles in my time and they all pop sooner or later.

For what it is worth, my timing may have been perfect. Just a day later and the price has plunged to $2182 by the same source as the buy price. I've already made a 6.5% profit on one Wizcoin deal and 10.1% on the other.



Well, with BitCoin being mostly popular with emerging markets and with the Fed increasing rates, the devaluation of the currency in these markets will be a big plus for bitcoin and its users in those countries. As their currency devalues and foreign investors take their money to higher yields in the U.S, the ones left with bitcoins in these emerging nations see more equity value in their bitcoins and more demand is created. The more a currency devalues, the more its going to take to mine or buy a bitcoin in that country. In a rising interest rate economy, this could only mean good things for bitcoin and its userbase and is probably why you're seeing an uptick in price, at least until yesterday.

I'm a big fan of cryptocurrency, I'm just worried about what our government and world governments will do to these small businesses if bitcoin really starts to build serious ground and more and more businesses domestically and internally start implementing it on a major scale. I can definitely see the U.S putting in regulations on businesses to not allow them to deal in bitcoin, due to fear of people steering away from their nations currency. And with the U.S. being the worlds reserve currency, this can alter bitcoins success more than not. If businesses begin to be prevented from offering bitcoin as a payment gateway, it will be hard for it to grow solely through individual transactions.
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May 26th, 2017 at 2:53:33 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I feel very strongly it is overvalued and all the buying is driven by hysteria and greed. I'm 52 and have seen plenty of bubbles in my time and they all pop sooner or later.

For what it is worth, my timing may have been perfect. Just a day later and the price has plunged to $2182 by the same source as the buy price. I've already made a 6.5% profit on one Wizcoin deal and 10.1% on the other.



the real big money is hoarding DJcoins and shorting RScoins
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May 27th, 2017 at 6:01:52 AM permalink
The slide continues. Price is back below $2000, around $1965.
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May 27th, 2017 at 9:26:56 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

The slide continues. Price is back below $2000, around $1965.


Don't worry, in a few days it'll go up like 3000% overnight. :)
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May 27th, 2017 at 9:41:13 AM permalink
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Don't worry, in a few days it'll go up like 3000% overnight. :)

Then you
should load up now.

I talked to Mike yesterday and I said I wanted to buy some wizcoin. He actually offered me a better price than I thought. But after our discussion and the downward trend I said I was gonna wait and see the "trend" is doing.


Previously I thought it would get to 3k and drop, but it didn't make it.

Is just under 2 a buy? I think so, but who knows?
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May 27th, 2017 at 11:27:08 AM permalink
My window is still open.
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May 27th, 2017 at 2:06:12 PM permalink
If It goes below 1500 again, I think i ll take a snag at it and hopefully flip it for 25%+ gain in the future.

XLP(safest ETF out there) and BitCoin FTW

Buying bitcoin is the problem, what's the safest and best way to go about it? Should I buy the physical bitcoin or get an 'wallet' or whatever they call it. There seems to be so many ways. What would be the preferred method if I want to buy it solely as an investment tool and then wanting to flip it for profit? I'm guessing wallet?
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May 27th, 2017 at 2:13:11 PM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Buying bitcoin is the problem, what's the safest and best way to go about it? Should I buy the physical bitcoin or get an 'wallet' or whatever they call it. There seems to be so many ways. What would be the preferred method if I want to buy it solely as an investment tool and then wanting to flip it for profit? I'm guessing wallet?


What physical bitcoin?

Best way is an exchange like coinbase or kraken, followed by Local Bitcoin.
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May 27th, 2017 at 2:21:41 PM permalink
I've made it hard fast rule never to invest in something I don't understand.
To me, bitcoin is a game of musical chairs. No one will want to be the last man standing.
I'll take silver over cryptocurrency. If nothing else, I can melt it into kool bullets.
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May 27th, 2017 at 2:30:59 PM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Buying bitcoin is the problem, what's the safest and best way to go about it? Should I buy the physical bitcoin or get an 'wallet' or whatever they call it. There seems to be so many ways. What would be the preferred method if I want to buy it solely as an investment tool and then wanting to flip it for profit? I'm guessing wallet?



I don't think there is such a thing as a physical Bitcoin. You have to get a wallet. That is the easy part. Then I would suggest going to a Bitcoin forum and searching for an agent who will sell you some. Absolutely do not go to an ATM machine that sells them as they will charge about 20% over fair value.

Keep in mind that I have never owned Bitcoin either but I at least got that far with my searching.
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May 27th, 2017 at 2:37:23 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I don't think there is such a thing as a physical Bitcoin. You have to get a wallet. That is the easy part. Then I would suggest going to a Bitcoin forum and searching for an agent who will sell you some. Absolutely do not go to an ATM machine that sells them as they will charge about 20% over fair value.

Keep in mind that I have never owned Bitcoin either but I at least got that far with my searching.



Yes you can get a physical bitcoin. They mail you it in a clear plastic bag. Well I guess I shouldn't be definitive about it since i never bought any, but I have seen pictures of the mailing and heard its possible. I believe its called Casascius Bitcoins
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May 27th, 2017 at 5:10:50 PM permalink
I wouldn't do it, ZK, I hear Bitcoin is rigged. Nobody in the Bitcoin Commission checks each one before it comes out, either.
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May 27th, 2017 at 5:30:17 PM permalink
Bitcoin ATMs have what look like a physical Bitcoin, like a Silver Strike, but I thought it was just for display. Maybe if you buy a whole Bitcoin they give you one. However, I would assume it is just for show and the real Bitcoin would go in your wallet somehow.
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May 27th, 2017 at 8:43:18 PM permalink
If you want a physical bitcoin just download it to a thumbdrive or print oit the code, you don't need a wallet I don't think.

Banana, rum, house, popcorn, jail, green, Jefferson, tomcat, ironman, fun, safe, kale.

anyone who's made a BC wallet should get that.

Not understanding exactly how to make sure I wouldn't /couldn't get scammed without using a wallet and arguing over $14 per coin cost me from buying 5k worth at $700.
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May 28th, 2017 at 12:18:14 AM permalink
How is this going to ever be accepted as a mainstream medium of exchange with all this volatility? After closely watching this I am becoming more convinced that this is just another mania. Price drops like 30 bucks when a thousand are sold.

LMAO......the stuff would go below a buck if 2% of the holders tried to liquidate. Want a low transactional cost? Be prepared to wait.

One thing that intrigues me is the energy expenditure to create a Bitcoin. 4X more energy is used to create a Bitcoin than a Troy ounce of gold.

Everyday transactions will need to be done in a completely different platform. Stratis anyone?
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May 29th, 2017 at 9:21:35 PM permalink
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May 30th, 2017 at 2:57:00 AM permalink
I first had heard of bitcoin when it crashed the first time and was $7. Never got into it. No matter what, I probably would have sold at $14 or $100. The flaw with bit coin is the unnecessary step to even convert to bit coin in the first place since you already have currency. The benefit is the currency is anonymous like cash but it really isnt is it. The US considers it a collectible, not a currency, as far as I understand it, which can be a pain and have very negative consequences. If the US tries hurting it, it won't go away because of foreign use, like mentioned. I'm wondering what happens if someone figures out how to counterfeit the lost coins we hear about or make others believe you have them.
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May 30th, 2017 at 3:29:18 AM permalink
WC is on the climb. It's at $2282.45 right now.
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May 30th, 2017 at 3:35:49 AM permalink
I dont think it will ever go mainstream or even close to it. The hysteria around bitcoin right now is the 'investment' attribute it has. People are only buying it to eventually flip it for 5-10x their original investment,etc. No one really cares about ever using it over their dollars in their pocket. For me it's the same thing. If it goes below 1500 or maybe even if i see some consolidation under 2k, i will try to buy, since that will likely signal the next leg up to 3k or so.

Is CoinBase the most reliable way to buy? What about bitStamp?
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May 30th, 2017 at 4:08:35 AM permalink
The funny thing about it, it's a currency, but people that buy into it mostly dont spend it, because why use an asset that is increasing in value. So they spend the money they have otherwise. So if people thought it was constantly declining, they would spend it as fast as they could. There will be other opportunities besides investing in the tooth fairy. Wonder if they use this in Macau to get Chinese money and not bad debts.
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May 30th, 2017 at 4:09:52 AM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

I dont think it will ever go mainstream or even close to it. The hysteria around bitcoin right now is the 'investment' attribute it has. People are only buying it to eventually flip it for 5-10x their original investment,etc. No one really cares about ever using it over their dollars in their pocket. For me it's the same thing. If it goes below 1500 or maybe even if i see some consolidation under 2k, i will try to buy, since that will likely signal the next leg up to 3k or so.

Is CoinBase the most reliable way to buy? What about bitStamp?

Did I not read 42 billion invested in this, that might be enough to be mainstream.
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May 30th, 2017 at 4:19:59 AM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

The funny thing about it, it's a currency, but people that buy into it mostly dont spend it, because why use an asset that is increasing in value. So they spend the money they have otherwise. So if people thought it was constantly declining, they would spend it as fast as they could. There will be other opportunities besides investing in the tooth fairy. Wonder if they use this in Macau to get Chinese money and not bad debts.



As of right now 1 BTC buys a beater car. I'm investing so I can spend some of it when it can buy a regular car. Eventually it will buy a luxury car, and so on and so forth. At least that's how I see it, with more and more people and places becoming accepting to bitcoin, and cyrptocurrency as a whole.

Or it could crash and I can buy a pizza with 10k BTC, as some guys did year ago.
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May 30th, 2017 at 5:55:25 AM permalink
Buy Gift Cards with BC https://www.gyft.com/buy-gift-cards/


Overstock.com takes BC

Dish takes BC

Expedia takes BC

PayPal?

Bitcoin now accepted by 100,000 merchants worldwide
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/bitcoin-now-accepted-by-100000-merchants-worldwide-1486613

BC 2289.99 US Dollar
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June 1st, 2017 at 2:06:40 AM permalink
Lookie here the sell price is at $2,337.10 at June 1 2:05am PST.

I'm up $1 (2332.93-2337.10)*-0.25)! Told ya BTC was the future
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June 1st, 2017 at 2:14:26 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Buy Gift Cards with BC https://www.gyft.com/buy-gift-cards/


Overstock.com takes BC

Dish takes BC

Expedia takes BC

PayPal?

Bitcoin now accepted by 100,000 merchants worldwide
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/bitcoin-now-accepted-by-100000-merchants-worldwide-1486613

BC 2289.99 US Dollar

I can see how companies like it, no fees and no recourse laws like credit card rules,plus paid instantly, not waiting for a check.
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June 6th, 2017 at 12:42:52 AM permalink
Bitcoin at 2850. This is depressing being on the sidelines. People been saying it's a bubble since it was 400. Sad times. This is going to 10k by 2020 halving. Next pullback im buying.
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June 7th, 2017 at 8:47:14 PM permalink
Let the record show that djatc has made a quick profit by holding his 1/4 WizCoin for about a week. Here are the details, as he quoted them to me:

Quote: djatc


I would like to make a record of the sale of 0.25 WizCoin on credit to djatc. We agreed to use https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin/ as the source for the price, which is currently at $2332.93 per Bitcoin. Either party may force a sale at any time. Both parties should agree on a date and time the sale should close.

Both parties agree that a WizCoin is pegged exactly to the value of a Bitcoin, per the stated source of the value in USD.

Djatc, please confirm."

Purchase Price: $2332.93*0.25=
Sell Price: $2777*0.25

Total Profit: $111

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June 11th, 2017 at 6:41:12 PM permalink
Bitcoin now over $3,000
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June 11th, 2017 at 7:46:48 PM permalink
All of this is pretty amazing to watch. There is literally 95% less volume than before the move started from 1000. I believe most of this to be manipulation of early miners that have significant amounts of the coin. Not sure if this is going to hurt the crypto currencies longterm. Are the China regulatory problems resolved yet?
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June 12th, 2017 at 11:39:52 AM permalink
BTC $2612.

Wtf
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June 12th, 2017 at 12:08:57 PM permalink
BubbleCoin
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June 12th, 2017 at 12:21:52 PM permalink
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BTC $2612.



It is truly ridiculous that the value is going up and down by up to 15% per day. As far as I know, these movements are based on nothing but greed and fear.

I'm not saying Bitcoins are worthless, but I'll take them a lot more seriously when all the gambling on this is over and we see the price stabilize.

Hopefully it will go down more so I can profit on my 1/4 Wizcoin still outstanding.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
djatc
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June 12th, 2017 at 12:54:01 PM permalink
Time to buy some more BTC, it's a sale
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June 12th, 2017 at 1:03:14 PM permalink
Quote: djatc

Time to buy some more BTC, it's a sale



Famous last words. What's your sell target?
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June 12th, 2017 at 1:55:05 PM permalink
It's hard to explain this intuitively, and to be honest there's a lot about it I don't understand completely.

However, on August 1st, there's going to be a user-activated fork of the blockchain in an attempt to introduce an improved mining protocol. Since bitcoin is decentralized, a majority of the market needs to adopt the new fork in order for it to work. I would imagine this will introduce some panic and uncertainty in the market, leading to even more volatility as we approach August.

It's called BIP148 - do a search and you'll find a ton of info.

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/bitcoin-beginners-guide-surviving-bip-148-uasf/
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June 12th, 2017 at 2:00:53 PM permalink
If you think that's confusing, what until one or both of those forks then fork and fork again. There can be an unlimited amount of cryptocurrencies.

Blockchain tech is useful but there's going to be a huge smoking crater left when this mania ends.
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June 12th, 2017 at 2:06:41 PM permalink
Quote: Skeptic

If you think that's confusing, what until one or both of those forks then fork and fork again. There can be an unlimited amount of cryptocurrencies.

Blockchain tech is useful but there's going to be a huge smoking crater left when this mania ends.


I predict the dust will settle pretty quickly and the market will move forward with the 148 fork. But you're right, with it being somewhat of a democratic currency, anything is possible.
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