onenickelmiracle
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April 17th, 2017 at 5:29:24 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Not really able to get smarter family. Most were prepackaged when i was born

if that's true, you owe them for not knowing and letting your own brain develop.

Whether something is illegal depends on the ignorance and foolishness of the accused. Some people will just agree to any allegation, true or not, against their best interest. Some people know more, lie, deceive, but they cannot be caught because they're shifty. What they're doing can be illegal if they would allow themselves to be railroaded, or just admit to the version of reality others see. I think most crimes can't be prosecuted without a confession.
Looks like sh!t just got imaginary!
EvenBob
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Chuckleberry
April 17th, 2017 at 7:04:32 PM permalink
I feel more like a criminal being an AP then
I did the few times in my life when I actually
stole something. It's doing it right in front
of them, with them watching, it makes me
feel like I'm doing something immoral. Even
when I know I'm not. It's lot like lying to
your wife. You just know she see's the lie,
even though she doesn't.
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal
RS
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April 17th, 2017 at 7:37:07 PM permalink
I think it depends on what kind of AP stuff you do, what kinda people are your friends and family, and how you explain it.

If you're a poker player, your friends & whatnot are not likely to see you as a cheater or doing something illegal.

If you're a card counter, it's probably a bit more 50/50, closer to them thinking you're up to no good. But if your friends and family have all been around gambling all their lives and/or someone plays poker for a living, I'd say less likely they see CC'ing as necessarily bad.

Even if your family included professional CC's, poker players, promo hunters, etc. and your main game was targeting gaffed slot machines (perhaps it overpays when you cash out) or possibly hole-carding table games, there's a decent chance your friends & family would consider that cheating or illegal.

And there's also probably several things that all around APs might think is illegal or cheating (not gonna name plays), for example -- the double up bug.



For whatever reason, every now and then my mom will get the feeling or urge that I'm involved in some Las Vegas mafia gang or something and is worried that I owe some loan sharks some money. When talking about my gambling / AP and a trip I went on, sometimes I'll absent-mindedly say something like I'm still owed $X or I owe $Y and she'll start thinking I'm dealing with loan sharks and criminals or something.


Easiest way is to just tell people you play poker. Nobody thinks playing poker for a living is illegal or cheating.

Quote: EvenBob

I feel more like a criminal being an AP...


Don't you play roulette....?
"should of played 'Go Fish' today ya peasant" -typoontrav
EvenBob
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April 17th, 2017 at 7:58:43 PM permalink
Quote: RS

Don't you play roulette....?



Or bac, they're interchangable.
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal
AxelWolf
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April 17th, 2017 at 8:22:47 PM permalink
Quote: RS



Easiest way is to just tell people you play poker. Nobody thinks playing poker for a living is illegal or cheating.


I'm 99.45% sure that should have been a quote from AxelWolf?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
Ibeatyouraces
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April 17th, 2017 at 8:37:01 PM permalink
Quote: RS

Easiest way is to just tell people you play poker. Nobody thinks playing poker for a living is illegal or cheating.


Yeah, nobody cheats at poker. Just ask Russ Hamilton.
RS
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April 17th, 2017 at 8:58:13 PM permalink
I didn't say you can't cheat at poker. I said people (at least them common folk) don't view playing poker professionally as cheating (or illegal).
"should of played 'Go Fish' today ya peasant" -typoontrav
lilredrooster
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April 18th, 2017 at 1:46:27 AM permalink
On another forum a BJ AP posted that he'd been trespassed at a few large casinos in Vegas where he lives, and when his family comes to visit they want to go to those casinos. Of course, he can't go there and it's awkward for him to try to explain why he can't go. There is a mentality out there that reckons that if an individual has a dispute with a large business, the individual must be at fault. If cops are ever called to a retail store to investigate a dispute between a customer and any store personnel they will immediately side with the store.
genius has its limitations. but stupidity is boundless.
AxelWolf
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April 18th, 2017 at 2:11:33 AM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Yeah, nobody cheats at poker. Just ask Russ Hamilton.

Since poker became more popular and mainstream. It became an accepted form of entertainment and also thought of as a legitimate, fun, well paying career.

People may not understand how one could beat most games in the casinos, but they could somewhat understand how one could beat poker. Their first thoughts were not skepticism, cheating, addicted gambler or whatever.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
darkoz
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April 18th, 2017 at 5:40:41 AM permalink
Quote: RS

I didn't say you can't cheat at poker. I said people (at least them common folk) don't view playing poker professionally as cheating (or illegal).



I agree. When my profession comes up with new acquaintances and i say i gamble professionally the first guess is almost always oh you play poker.

Then their second guess is oh you count cards at blackjack with the wizened council "better be careful. They lock you up for that"

Its like every ploppies gambling education comes from watching rain man

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