darkoz
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March 14th, 2017 at 6:34:19 AM permalink
http://www.northjersey.com/story/news/business/meadowlands-matters/2017/02/28/phil-ivey-granted-appeal-british-court-baccarat-case/98522192/

Crockfords case now going to English supreme court. Highest court in the land

Phils last stand there

This time it seems the challenge is about gambling rules clarity. In essence if ivey didnt cheat as judges ruled how can he be denied winnings
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March 14th, 2017 at 8:02:40 AM permalink
Will anyone give me even money that he loses again?
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
darkoz
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March 14th, 2017 at 9:27:42 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Will anyone give me even money that he loses again?



Before taking bets research what the gambling law being questioned in england is

Im not sure completely but from what i recall there is some statute that wagers must be honored unless cheating is involved hence the confusion being taken up by their supreme court

If ivey did not cheat as stated clearly by lower court judges and no charges being pressed well then the statute says he should be paid
darkoz
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March 14th, 2017 at 9:30:43 AM permalink
I could certainly see the concern for the English courts. Imagine if something like the don johnson blackjack win occured and crockfords said even though they agreed to his terms the rules were changed as such they dont have to honor paying and use the ivey case as precedent
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March 14th, 2017 at 9:36:14 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Will anyone give me even money that he loses again?

If an NFL team lost 3 times in a row to another team, would you ask for even money on if they lost again? I'd think the "NO" here would most certainly have to give odds away.
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March 14th, 2017 at 12:21:32 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

If ivey did not cheat as stated clearly by lower court judges and no charges being pressed well then the statute says he should be paid



My window is open. Prove me wrong.
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Thanks for this post from:
LuckyPhow
March 14th, 2017 at 12:43:48 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

My window is open. Prove me wrong.



Here is an article on the Basic issues concerning cheat definitions

I dont know how this will go but i hope he wins. Not willing to wager on it. I do believe he has some chance

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.gamblinginsider.com/news/mobile/2600/uk-laws-on-cheating-in-casinos-require-clarification-as-ivey-loses-appeal
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March 14th, 2017 at 1:13:08 PM permalink
The UK Supreme Court's acceptance of the case is interesting. That's a discretionary appeal, meaning they don't have to take a case if they don't want to. If the lower appellate court's ruling is correct there is little reason to take an appeal.

That's why the US Supreme Court reverses or vacates about 2/3 of the cases it hears. It takes cases that it is more likely to change the outcome in.

I don't really know the UK practice but I imagine its inherent to a discretionary appeal. Ivy has better odds than you might think, but its still 50/50 on his best day.
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March 14th, 2017 at 1:21:11 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Before taking bets research what the gambling law being questioned in england is...



Exactly so, darkoz!

Now, where are all our WoV members from UK hiding? Is this story getting any press -- I mean, serious press, don'cher know? -- on the East side of the Pond? Seems some publications -- law journals? gaming newsletters? national magazines? etc. -- would have kicked this story around some. Who knows the star-dot-co-dot-UK internet links that present an "informed" perspective of this matter? C'mon, c'mon. We can hear all of you UK members in there keeping quiet.
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March 14th, 2017 at 6:05:23 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Will anyone give me even money that he loses again?



I'll go 20 that he wins vs. your 30 that he doesn't. Betting on the SCOTUK decision, not on whether he ever sees a dime from it.
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