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September 13th, 2010 at 5:00:36 PM permalink
SOOPOO
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Relatively new to this site- love it. Anyway- I have been casino gambling for 30 years and never had the guts to ask someone- including tips, what would an average dealer at a 'regular' casino like Harrahs make? How much is in 'salary', and how much is from tips? Also- will craps dealers and, say, paigow dealers be paid the same? Are dealers in the high limit rooms paid more?
September 13th, 2010 at 5:18:57 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: SOOPOO
Relatively new to this site- love it. Anyway- I have been casino gambling for 30 years and never had the guts to ask someone- including tips, what would an average dealer at a 'regular' casino like Harrahs make? How much is in 'salary', and how much is from tips? Also- will craps dealers and, say, paigow dealers be paid the same? Are dealers in the high limit rooms paid more?


Dealers get paid minimum wage or close to it as a base, the rest is tips. In most locals casinos tips will be $12-22 per hour from what I have seen. At a fancy strip property they will range from $100-250/day in tips depending on time of day or year.

Sometimes dealers of some games like craps will get paid a little more in base. By a little more I mean $1/hr more, which at tipped minimum means about $5.50 instead of $4.50.

Most places seem to pool tips on a 24 hour basis. Meaning all tips are divided by all hours worked and dealers get the hourly rate. Poker dealers are virtually always "go for your own" and keep all of their own tips. Some houses let all dealers on all games "go for their own" which means any tips that dealer gets they keep, except craps which will be split crew for crew since working a craps game is a team job and going for their own per person would be difficut at best and cause major problems no matter what.
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September 13th, 2010 at 5:32:54 PM permalink
mkl654321
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There is a newsletter called "The Dealer's News", which publishes reported tokes for the month/week; however, they've gone to a subscription-based website, so all you can see is a blurred version of the report.

The last time I saw the print version was last summer (2009), where the reported tokes/shift were as low as $32 in a couple of downtown grind joints, and $450+ at Caesars. The basic numbers seemed to be mostly in these ranges: Downtown, $40-65, Local's joints, $45-90, Low-end Strip, $70-190, High-end Strip, $110-500.

These numbers are added to a base wage that is almost always minimum federal, with perhaps $1/hr more for some positions. Many dealers have told me that all of the base wage goes to pay the taxes on the tokes.
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September 13th, 2010 at 5:40:01 PM permalink
Paigowdan
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Some local casinos in the LV area are about $25 to $75 a day in tips on top of minimum wage, or $3.12 to $9.37 an hour.

There are "break-in" local joints like Joker's wild, the Western, El Cortez, the Longhorn, etc at about $30 a day.

Then there are "comfortable" local places like Green Valley, Texas Station, Boulder Station, Sam's Town, Fiesta Henderson, Cannery properties, Golden Nugget, Main Street Station, Sunset Station, etc. Tips = $50 to $110 a day there.

Strip casinos are $90 to $200 a day tips.
There are a lot of nickel grinders out there!! 90% of our tips copme from 10% of the players.

I DO get good health benefits, along with six "floater" days and two weeks vacation, for three weeks paid time off.
After a few heart attacks, I would NOT be able to get either health insurance or life insurance on my own.

I will keep this job until I am REALLY independently wealthy, if that happens, because I would have to "self-insure."
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September 13th, 2010 at 6:47:23 PM permalink
ruascott
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Quote: Paigowdan
Some local casinos in the LV area are about $25 to $75 a day in tips on top of minimum wage, or $3.12 to $9.37 an hour.

There are "break-in" local joints like Joker's wild, the Western, El Cortez, the Longhorn, etc at about $30 a day.

Then there are "comfortable" local places like Green Valley, Texas Station, Boulder Station, Sam's Town, Fiesta Henderson, Cannery properties, Golden Nugget, Main Street Station, Sunset Station, etc. Tips = $50 to $110 a day there.

Strip casinos are $90 to $200 a day tips.
There are a lot of nickel grinders out there!! 90% of our tips copme from 10% of the players.

I DO get good health benefits, along with six "floater" days and two weeks vacation, for three weeks paid time off.
After a few heart attacks, I would NOT be able to get either health insurance or life insurance on my own.

I will keep this job until I am REALLY independently wealthy, if that happens, because I would have to "self-insure."


You mean until 2014 when obamacare goes into full effect. There will be no more individual rating in health insurance after that. Age will be the only factor that can impact insurance rates. Life insurance is another story
September 13th, 2010 at 7:05:20 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: ruascott


You mean until 2014 when obamacare goes into full effect. There will be no more individual rating in health insurance after that. Age will be the only factor that can impact insurance rates. Life insurance is another story


And at that point no one will be able to afford what the government calls "acceptable" care and we will all be laid off since employers will not be able to keep employees on with all the mandates anyways :-)
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September 13th, 2010 at 8:24:01 PM permalink
FleaStiff
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Poker room dealers traditionally keep their own tips and wear shirts that have pockets, a rarity in most casinos.

Other dealers rarely Keep Their Own, pooling is usually mandatory and some casinos force tip sharing with first line supervisors. The Wynn takes dealers tips and shares them with Floormen. Not an admired move for Wynn to have taken but a dealer at the Wynn usually makes good money anyway. Tips vary.

Dealer oriented newsletters do exist but often have various conflicts of interest on revealing toke rates. Often such information is not entirely reliable if its released.

A Venetian dealer will make far, far more than a break in joint such as the El Cortez. A place with a one dollar craps table such as Jokers Wild in the outer regions of Hendertucky will not make much money so how could its dealers ever do very well there?

All dealers seem to be hurting right now, some far more than others.
September 13th, 2010 at 8:33:55 PM permalink
rdw4potus
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Quote: FleaStiff
The Wynn takes dealers tips and shares them with Floormen. Not an admired move for Wynn to have taken but a dealer at the Wynn usually makes good money anyway. Tips vary.


Do you know if that's a necessity to retain the floor supervisors at the Wynn? I could see that staff continuity would be important at a high-end place like that.

The folks at Canterbury Park here in MN have complained to me more than once that they make more as dealers than they do as floor supervisors. So they have a hard time deciding whether to take the "promotion" to a salary-only management position with a lower average total cash payment. I think sharing tips with those people on a non-parity basis (maybe 80% dealers, 20% floor supervisors) helps keep the floor supervisors happy. It's not exactly the same thing, but I think this is also the reason that restaurant servers kick back tips to the host. If they didn't, nobody would want to be the host - there's more money to be made as a server.
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September 13th, 2010 at 10:20:31 PM permalink
appistappis
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I won't comment on steve wynn stealing the dealers tips but I will tell you that i make about 24 bucks an hour (varies with toke rate).

I can deal bj, switch, double attack, sp21, 3 and 4 card poker, war, caribbean stud, let it ride, pai gow, roulette, tiles and craps.....I spend most of my time in high limit craps and tiles.....if i could only deal bj then i would make about $1 less.
September 14th, 2010 at 2:53:06 AM permalink
odiousgambit
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Quote: ruascott


You mean until 2014 when obamacare goes into full effect. There will be no more individual rating in health insurance after that. Age will be the only factor that can impact insurance rates. Life insurance is another story


assuming obamacare survives, or that these dates don't keep getting pushed into the future
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