blackhole
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November 11th, 2016 at 4:56:46 AM permalink
My following personal opinion is coming from a person that was banned twice under false and still unproven accusations just to shut me up, and asked to leave by the owner simply for telling the truth which he couldn’t deny.

For the people that actually follow this site, I know you see and read exactly what I do.

The owner Mike is willing to delete and change posts making certain the truth gets buried.

Regardless what you think about online gaming, it’s illegal to transfer money from banks in the USA to foreign unregulated crooked gambling sites. This place could care less about you and the laws, and is only concerned about filling their own pockets. What happened to Hillary with this attitude should only happen to this place.

This place even has moderators that obviously drink the same cool-aid and could also care less about your opinions and views if different from theirs.

Looks like BBB couldn’t take the Hillary thread any longer and locked it.

This is exactly how the drive by bias media works. They don’t report the news, they report their opinions / propaganda – def. (information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread widely to help or harm a person, group, movement, institution, nation, etc.) If it doesn’t go their way, and they do have the power, they will just shut it down, delete it, or ban everyone with an honest opinion not in line with their views.

There is some good gambling information across this site, but the money spent to reach this targeted group is mind boggling with only one goal intended –

$$$$$ DEPOSIT AND GAMBLE ON THEIR PROMOTED ILLEGAL GAMING SITES. $$$$$
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November 11th, 2016 at 5:40:13 AM permalink
Quote: blackhole

My following personal opinion is coming from a person that was banned twice under false and still unproven accusations just to shut me up, and asked to leave by the owner simply for telling the truth which he couldn’t deny.

For the people that actually follow this site, I know you see and read exactly what I do.

The owner Mike is willing to delete and change posts making certain the truth gets buried.

Regardless what you think about online gaming, it’s illegal to transfer money from banks in the USA to foreign unregulated crooked gambling sites. This place could care less about you and the laws, and is only concerned about filling their own pockets. What happened to Hillary with this attitude should only happen to this place.

This place even has moderators that obviously drink the same cool-aid and could also care less about your opinions and views if different from theirs.

Looks like BBB couldn’t take the Hillary thread any longer and locked it.

This is exactly how the drive by bias media works. They don’t report the news, they report their opinions / propaganda – def. (information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread widely to help or harm a person, group, movement, institution, nation, etc.) If it doesn’t go their way, and they do have the power, they will just shut it down, delete it, or ban everyone with an honest opinion not in line with their views.

There is some good gambling information across this site, but the money spent to reach this targeted group is mind boggling with only one goal intended –

$$$$$ DEPOSIT AND GAMBLE ON THEIR PROMOTED ILLEGAL GAMING SITES. $$$$$



There are a few things you're wrong about in your rant.

The owners of this site are in Australia and Eastern Europe. The readers and members are on 6 continents and, for all I know, Antarctica as well, but for sure many countries where online gaming is legal.

The site is free to you because of advertising. It's much less intrusive than just about any free site I've visited in the last few years, but there's a cost to hosting any site, and you're not funding it as a member. The advertised services are available to those who can access them legally; if people are accessing them from countries that don't allow the play for money, that's on the person who signs up for them.

I've been turned down for real money play, correctly, on one I tested to see if I could play. And the site explained that I was not able to sign up from my location. So, no, I don't see your point on this.

The thread I closed was not constructive to the site, not on topic (gambling), and was going into discussion and language that would result in multiple bannings. I closed it rather than making those bans. It's my job to see things like that and act appropriately, or else why have moderators? But the thread has not been removed.

My question to you is, why are you here? You don't like the site, you don't contribute except to complain and insult, you object to how it's moderated. You're wasting your time here when there are so many other sites that aren't moderated and probably more to your liking. I had hoped when you came back that you wanted to talk about blackjack, about which you seem to know something. But you don't seem interested in talking about gambling, so why not just move on?
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blackhole
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November 11th, 2016 at 5:56:37 AM permalink
Fair enough.

https://youtu.be/Q9xlPpsCzWw
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November 11th, 2016 at 7:20:02 AM permalink
Quote: blackhole

Fair enough.

https://youtu.be/Q9xlPpsCzWw



Great video! Thanks for the lift. My favorite of hers is "God Bless the Child", but any Billie is good Billie.
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November 11th, 2016 at 8:24:37 AM permalink
Just for the record, billions of dollars annually are being transferred from USA banks to gamble on off shore unregulated online casinos under misleading disguises to fool the banks.

To suggest this site is not interested in a piece of that pie is outrageous and untruthful. Many of the members here openly discuss their participation.
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November 11th, 2016 at 8:56:01 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs



The thread I closed was not constructive to the site, not on topic (gambling), and was going into discussion and language that would result in multiple bannings.

Now what you really meant to say.

The thread I closed was not constructive to the site, not on topic (gambling), and was going into discussion and language that would result in multiple bashings of my precious Hillary. ðŸ˜
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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November 11th, 2016 at 9:18:41 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Now what you really meant to say.

The thread I closed was not constructive to the site, not on topic (gambling), and was going into discussion and language that would result in multiple bashings of my precious Hillary. ðŸ˜



This. The Election thread (which is still active) had some of the most foul things said about people on both sides of the spectrum. However if it starts going into a direction that a mod with a bias doesn't like. BAM shut down.
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November 11th, 2016 at 9:21:29 AM permalink
Quote: blackhole

Just for the record, billions of dollars annually are being transferred from USA banks to gamble on off shore unregulated online casinos under misleading disguises to fool the banks.

To suggest this site is not interested in a piece of that pie is outrageous and untruthful. Many of the members here openly discuss their participation.



Lol WoO and his henchmen are pocketing the "feeble minded" people's money.

If I were in Mr. Shackleford's shoes I would make as much money as I could from this site. Why shouldn't he, it's a great site, yes? (evil laughter echoing.)
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November 11th, 2016 at 9:44:19 AM permalink
Quote: petro

If I were in Mr. Shackleford's shoes I would make as much money as I could from this site.



I thought he already had.



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November 11th, 2016 at 10:09:23 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Now what you really meant to say.

The thread I closed was not constructive to the site, not on topic (gambling), and was going into discussion and language that would result in multiple bashings of my precious Hillary. ðŸ˜



Setting a record for being wrong so many times in one week. Goodness!
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November 11th, 2016 at 10:15:19 AM permalink
Quote: blackhole

it’s illegal to transfer money from banks in the USA to foreign unregulated crooked gambling sites.

I think its also illegal to transfer money from banks in the USA to foreign regulated honest gambling sites.

This website and WOO fully explain the jurisdictional limits and generally encourage focusing on the reality of any gambling site you visit.

If you enjoy this site, fine. If not, see you around somewhere, sometime.
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November 11th, 2016 at 10:28:43 AM permalink
Quote: blackhole

Regardless what you think about online gaming, it’s illegal to transfer money from banks in the USA to foreign unregulated crooked gambling sites. This place could care less about you and the laws, and is only concerned about filling their own pockets.
...
There is some good gambling information across this site, but the money spent to reach this targeted group is mind boggling with only one goal intended –

$$$$$ DEPOSIT AND GAMBLE ON THEIR PROMOTED ILLEGAL GAMING SITES. $$$$$

Uh, I don't think there's a whole lot of money being spent here. Where do you get the idea that it's mind boggling?

Also, this site is on the Internet. It's not illegal in most countries to wager online, and US laws like UIGEA don't apply to anyone outside the US. Are you suggesting that the ownership of this site is breaking US law by advertising Internet casinos to US citizens?
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November 11th, 2016 at 10:51:03 AM permalink
Oh no! This can't be so; who knew? This is an outrage!

Mommy! Daddy!

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Quote: VoidOfDeficientLight

Gambling! Advertisements! Online! On an online forum on gambling! I had no idea.

*shock*

Political hackery on the web! By couple of sullen oblivious lefties I don't agree with!

*gasp*

Somebody is wrong on the interwebz! And maybe even gonna stay that way!

*OMFG*


Troll better.
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November 11th, 2016 at 11:20:53 AM permalink
Quote: DrawingDead

Oh no! This can't be so; who knew? This is an outrage!

Mommy! Daddy!

Something must be done at once, or the Earth will stop spinning on its axis, and Santa Claus will surely die!

Quote: VoidOfDeficientLight

Gambling! Advertisements! Online! On an online forum on gambling! I had no idea.

*shock*

Political hackery on the web! By couple of sullen oblivious lefties I don't agree with!

*gasp*

Somebody is wrong on the interwebz! And maybe even gonna stay that way!

*OMFG*


Troll better.







I've even heard rumors that some of the gamblers using this site have lost money. I too was stunned. It didn't seem possible.
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November 11th, 2016 at 11:31:24 AM permalink
Quote: lilredrooster



I've even heard rumors that some of the gamblers using this site have lost money. I too was stunned. It didn't seem possible.



Only those who are still waiting for their kitchen cabinets to arrive.
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November 11th, 2016 at 11:41:02 AM permalink
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Only those who are still waiting for their kitchen cabinets to arrive.

Mine came yesterday. I ordered the invisible finish:
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blackhole
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November 11th, 2016 at 11:46:20 AM permalink
As the clever and witty responses pile on after taking selective parts out of context, you begin to understand why someone would pay over two million dollars to reach such an audience.

This site was bought for one reason and there is now only one concern and purpose for this site. To help capitalize and profit from the billion dollar USA online gambling market.

You could play dumb and pretend they care about your gambling trips and experiences as if what you have to say actually means anything. They need all the AP talk about how they take the casinos to the cleaners and the math conversations that got everything figured out all the way to retirement. This keeps the young new rookies clicking in.

They got monitors that could do what they want and the owners could care less. All the owners do is monitor daily traffic and who clicks on and joins a gambling site. If those numbers drop off enough, then you could expect changes.

Online gambling clicks and sign ups is all that matters here.
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November 11th, 2016 at 11:55:51 AM permalink
Quote: blackhole

This site was bought for one reason and there is now only one concern and purpose for this site. To help capitalize and profit from the billion dollar USA online gambling market.



FYP

"This site was bought for one reason and there is now only one concern and purpose for this site. To help capitalize and profit from the multi-billion dollar international online gambling market."

The owner(s) of WoO / WoV paid over two million dollars with the expectation of realizing a reasonable return on their investment.

Your view is a bit provincial: their target audience is the whole world, not just the USA.
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November 11th, 2016 at 12:00:44 PM permalink
Quote: VCUSkyhawk

Quote: AxelWolf

Now what you really meant to say.

The thread I closed was not constructive to the site, not on topic (gambling), and was going into discussion and language that would result in multiple bashings of my precious Hillary. ðŸ˜



This. The Election thread (which is still active) had some of the most foul things said about people on both sides of the spectrum. However if it starts going into a direction that a mod with a bias doesn't like. BAM shut down.

A well deserved perk of being a mod. You should apply.
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blackhole
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November 11th, 2016 at 12:04:16 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

Your view is a bit provincial: their target audience is the whole world, not just the USA.



They already own the biggest online gambling affiliate site in the world. These sites get them access to the USA market through the back door like BBB explained before.

Please stop acting so oblivious to the facts. Billion dollar USA market. Case closed.
DrawingDead
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November 11th, 2016 at 12:32:52 PM permalink
You mean, maybe websites and posts that appear on them don't truly deeply care about me? The avatars and screen names that appear on my monitor are not my real friends? I shall struggle to cope with this. Meantime, guess I'll have to struggle along with the brand new concept that some of what's on a gambling degen's forum is just occasionally a little bit interesting, once in a while there may be something that actually turns out to be a bit informative, and I shall usually view most of it as mostly bullspit most of the time. Hard to get my mind around that, but I shall try.

First step is now I'm gonna shower & stuff as I'm about to do something astounding: leave home to meet with somebody who is a not online person. Zounds! Outside, in the flesh, and even in a different town, over by the sea, the actual wet one, which still exists in the actual Isaac Newton physical non-virtual meaning of space, no less. Incredibly, this non-virtual friend is a Ms. Somebody who doesn't even go online. At all. I didn't think that was even still legal among her kinda people who are about half my age, but I'm not gonna go spill her secrets & get her shipped off to an internet refusenik re-education camp.

Actual opinion of this site? The forum side of it, as opposed to the real part? A lot of those who take it most seriously are either batsheet wacko, permanently stuck on age fourteen 'the world is a bunch of meanies unfairly conspiring to pick on me', or borderline mentally disabled, and various combinations of the foregoing. So? What? Duh. Ya know what's even more wacko-drooler-childlike? Someone who is so far gone they actually manage to get kicked off this almost totally un-moderated site catering to wackos & degens (even to the extent that a moderator may not grasp that there's almost no such thing here and trolls are mostly free to do their thing for months on end). And then, to remain obsessed with stalking this extremely obscure very low traffic nut-orchard for months? Now that's absolute proof beyond certainty that someone is completely barking at the moon desperately batsheet bonkers. But, have a nice day. I am.
Last edited by: DrawingDead on Nov 11, 2016
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ck1313
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November 11th, 2016 at 12:39:49 PM permalink
So what? Somebody started a website, it was a big success, then sold it for 2 million. It sounds like the American dream to me. And for the guy who bought it , why in the hell wouldn't he want to tap into the billion dollar online casino market. When and why did it become so bad to try and make it rich. Nobody likes rich people but everyone what's to be one. I don't get it.
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November 11th, 2016 at 12:44:28 PM permalink
Sonoma bought a website for a bunch of money so they could turn a profit? Big Shocker.

I think the over all opinion of this site is that no one cares either way.

People use the site's for many different reasons and for the most part it's enjoyable.

The new owner's seem to stay out of the forum BS unless absolutely necessary(once?). They don't push anything on us, they have a few casino banners(BIG DEAL!) , for the most part everything is the same. I didn't like the design change at first, however given the choice I would stick to this one.

I have meet many good people from this site who I know I'll be friends with for many years to come. That has value to me more than anything else.

If you have a moral issue with online gambling or don't like how things are run start your own site and do it how you think it should be done.
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November 11th, 2016 at 12:48:19 PM permalink
Quote: blackhole





They need all the AP talk about how they take the casinos to the cleaners and the math conversations that got everything figured out all the way to retirement. This keeps the young new rookies clicking in.


He found me out. How did he know. I might as well confess now before the mainstream media gets ahold of the story. It's true. I love to find a tender rookie and lure him in. Tell him how easy it is to make big bucks as an AP.

Last edited by: lilredrooster on Nov 11, 2016
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November 11th, 2016 at 1:08:47 PM permalink
Quote: blackhole

Please stop acting so oblivious to the facts. Billion dollar USA market. Case closed.



Please stop with the insults.

The sites appeal to a world-wide audience, not just to people living in the USA.
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November 11th, 2016 at 1:28:01 PM permalink
Quote: blackhole

As the clever and witty responses pile on ...

This site was bought ...

You've got things confused.

WOO was bought for $2mil.
Wov was merely part of the package.
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blackhole
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November 11th, 2016 at 1:53:22 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

Please stop with the insults.



Uh oh, here's where the insult claims start piling on.
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November 11th, 2016 at 2:06:05 PM permalink
Quote: blackhole

Uh oh, here's where the insult claims start piling on.



Actually, it's all up to you.

If you continue along the same vein, then yes, the claims may well start piling on.

I could and would easily insult you, but I choose not to.

Exercise a bit of self restraint if you want to stay here for awhile.
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blackhole
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November 11th, 2016 at 2:10:42 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

Actually, it's all up to you.

If you continue along the same vein, then yes, the claims may well start piling on.

I could and would easily insult you, but I choose not to.

Exercise a bit of self restraint if you want to stay here for awhile.



Please make a list of my insults thus far?
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November 11th, 2016 at 5:23:38 PM permalink
Quote: blackhole

Please make a list of my insults thus far?


Quote: blackhole

As the clever and witty responses pile on after taking selective parts out of context, you begin to understand why someone would pay over two million dollars to reach such an audience.

You could play dumb and pretend they care about your gambling trips and experiences as if what you have to say actually means anything.


Why are you spreading your pearls of wisdom before people whose words don't mean anything?

You should complain instead to the authorities who have the ability to actually do something about it. Here:
james.comey@illegalinternetgamblingadvertisinginvestigations.fbi.gov
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November 11th, 2016 at 8:11:58 PM permalink
Now that he is the President elect, Donald trump will no longer post under the name EvenBob.
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November 12th, 2016 at 12:09:55 AM permalink
Quote: MathExtremist

Why are you spreading your pearls of wisdom before people whose words don't mean anything?



If what you quoted me saying in your last post you find insulting, you make my point even clearer.

My posts were just pointing out why this forum even exists today. Nothing to do with pearls of wisdom, just pearls of fact.

Just because all the responses want to deny the facts and go on pretending this forum and its members serve such a great purpose for gamblers is beyond ridiculous.

This site is only a shadow of what it once was. Most of the more serious members who once visited this place daily are long gone since the takeover.

It obvious most here can’t have a discussion about a person’s honest opinion. Instead, you want to jump on the insulting wagon and try to silence it.

The only reason all the WOO forums were bought was to help find USA online gambling customers. Since affiliating online gambling casinos is the new owner’s specialty, not sure why anyone would consider any other reason for the purchase other than to find ways to tap into the billion dollar USA market.

That’s why this forum the only one I’m familiar with of the group, became what it is today and still exists.

If it wasn’t for that multibillion dollar USA online gambling market, this site and Mike S. would have vanished long ago, around the time he was begging for donations to support his family.
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November 12th, 2016 at 4:30:30 AM permalink
Quote: FDEAD3709

Now that he is the President elect, Donald trump will no longer post under the name EvenBob.



This is why I keep reading. Sooner or later someone hits one out of the park!
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November 12th, 2016 at 4:32:44 AM permalink
Quote: blackhole



If it wasn’t for that multibillion dollar USA online gambling market, this site and Mike S. would have vanished long ago, around the time he was begging for donations to support his family.



Put a sock in it. Please.
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November 12th, 2016 at 8:32:10 AM permalink
Quote: blackhole

The only reason all the WOO forums were bought was to help find USA online gambling customers.


Interesting.... I didn't even know that WOO had any forums. That's why I've always used this one at WoV.

Why don't you just take your rant over to the "forums" that you are complaining about at WOO?

BTW, I am in the USA and have no interest at all in on-line gambling. Been a member here since February 2010, and I take the place rather seriously -- 6,000+ posts thus far, and I generally try to make them on-point and helpful to the valuable members here.
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November 12th, 2016 at 9:56:17 AM permalink
If the site was illegal, or in illegal activity, none of the owners would step foot in America, which is not the case.
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November 12th, 2016 at 10:32:27 AM permalink
Quote: blackhole

If what you quoted me saying in your last post you find insulting, you make my point even clearer.

My posts were just pointing out why this forum even exists today. Nothing to do with pearls of wisdom, just pearls of fact.

Just because all the responses want to deny the facts and go on pretending this forum and its members serve such a great purpose for gamblers is beyond ridiculous.

This site is only a shadow of what it once was. Most of the more serious members who once visited this place daily are long gone since the takeover.

It obvious most here can’t have a discussion about a person’s honest opinion. Instead, you want to jump on the insulting wagon and try to silence it.

The only reason all the WOO forums were bought was to help find USA online gambling customers. Since affiliating online gambling casinos is the new owner’s specialty, not sure why anyone would consider any other reason for the purchase other than to find ways to tap into the billion dollar USA market.

That’s why this forum the only one I’m familiar with of the group, became what it is today and still exists.

If it wasn’t for that multibillion dollar USA online gambling market, this site and Mike S. would have vanished long ago, around the time he was begging for donations to support his family.

You believe that a web forum with a few dozen regular contributors was sold for millions of dollars. The traffic to this forum pales in comparison to the traffic to WoO. WoO has an Alexa rank of 66315. This forum has a rank of 203457.

You believe that everything posted here is meaningless, yet you believe that the sum of those meaningless posts is somehow a suitable gateway to a billion dollar market. That doesn't make sense.

You believe that "serious members" are gone. But you're here, and you don't seem particularly jovial.

I'm having a hard time understanding the point of your screed. You're upset about something. What is it? Is it the fact of the sale of the WoO assets to a third party? If so, why are you complaining about it here? That's like going into a bar that recently changed ownership, standing on a table and yelling "this bar sucks, it used to be so much better!" You're entitled to your opinion, but voicing it inside the bar seems the wrong place to do it, especially if you're expecting a positive reaction from the other bar patrons. Normal people vote with their feet when they don't like a bar or a web forum. They go somewhere else.

Which begs the question: why are you here?
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice." -- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
blackhole
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November 12th, 2016 at 12:04:28 PM permalink
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Which begs the question: why are you here?



I’m old and retired now, and to explain my past would require a boring book.

I joined to dispute the AP claims and it somehow from research here and other places evolved to this.
FDEAD3709
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November 12th, 2016 at 12:09:18 PM permalink
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I’m old and retired now, and to explain my past would require a boring book.

I joined to dispute the AP claims and it somehow from research here and other places evolved to this.



Being old is not an excuse. As for disputing AP claims. your second career has been a failure. Find a new hobby.
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November 12th, 2016 at 12:16:57 PM permalink
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Being old is not an excuse. As for disputing AP claims. your second career has been a failure. Find a new hobby.



Coming from you Buzzard, I'll take that advice.
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November 12th, 2016 at 12:23:36 PM permalink
If only that were true SIGH
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November 12th, 2016 at 12:30:04 PM permalink
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If only that were true SIGH



Let's keep that our personal secret. (wink)
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November 12th, 2016 at 12:31:49 PM permalink
Dispute away. Isn't going to change anyone's lives.
DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
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November 12th, 2016 at 2:01:51 PM permalink
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I’m old and retired now, and to explain my past would require a boring book.

I joined to dispute the AP claims and it somehow from research here and other places evolved to this.

What AP claims? Do you dispute that AP exists? As someone who has developed and sold AP-able slot games into regulated casinos, I can assure you that it does. I won't go so far as to say that people can control the dice or consistently clock a roulette wheel, but the fact that card counting can improve a player's EV is not in dispute. So what claims are you referring to?
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November 12th, 2016 at 5:18:43 PM permalink
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Uh, I don't think there's a whole lot of money being spent here. Where do you get the idea that it's mind boggling?

Also, this site is on the Internet. It's not illegal in most countries to wager online, and US laws like UIGEA don't apply to anyone outside the US. Are you suggesting that the ownership of this site is breaking US law by advertising Internet casinos to US citizens?



I don't think so. That's fishing for points that aren't being suggested. If you are an American citizen with a bank account in another off shore country with legal online betting, by all means, lose everything one has over there as that isn't illegal. I'm fairly confident that where your account is established sets the legality. However, try to claim winnings or anything else from that off shore income. Not going to happen. What's won over there stays over there. And to bring it back to US would be called money laundering. This is what the US gov is trying to establish and control.

Let's be honest about online gambling anything in the U.S. It's only illegal because our country (US) hasn't figured out how to track and control gambling for TAXES. Simple as that. US wants that piece of our pie.
The US government isn't worried about your gambling addictions, just pay us our taxes. The Gov don't care about people when it comes to taxes.

Sites like this ARE treading a fine line when advertising online casinos from off shores. This kind of conduct is closer to being busted than it is being totally straight up. It's a huge grey area right now.
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November 12th, 2016 at 5:23:15 PM permalink
I need Kitchen stuff, how come I never see the specials?
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