Ted Cruz: My HERO
That's what Trump gets for disrespecting Cruz's wife during the primaries.
Could it be political suicide for Cruz? No way, a vast majority of the Republicans still want no part of Trump.
BTW I despise Hillary & Trump. Not sure what I'll do come November.
Bottom line is, Cruz is a man of his principal and now he's my hero for giving Trump the middle finger last night
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BTW I despise Hillary & Trump. Not sure what I'll do come November.
There's always plenty of local issues and races to vote on. And all appropriations bills must originate in the House of Representatives. Local issues, especially congress, is extremely important and I never miss voting. But there have been several times where I have just left "president" blank.
Quote: bobbartopThere's always plenty of local issues and races to vote on. And all appropriations bills must originate in the House of Representatives. Local issues, especially congress, is extremely important and I never miss voting. But there have been several times where I have just left "president" blank.
Quote: LoneStarHorseI will definetly vote & will most likely leave President blank.
Is Pat Paulsen still alive?
As usual, I'll vote Libertarian.
Some may call it a throw away vote, but their platform best reflects my own views.
Donald may be a bit of a nut job, but I give him props for inviting all the candidates to speak at the convention.
Cruz's petulant performance underscores the disarray of the Republican party.
Agreed. Not a fan of him nor the convention, but always interested in someone giving Trump the middle finger. Perhaps I might find a shred of respect for him after hearing =P.Quote: GWAEI missed what Cruz did. Can yout give cliffs?
Quote: MrVThere was some speculation that this might finally be the year the Libertarian candidate does reasonably well.
As usual, I'll vote Libertarian.
Some may call it a throw away vote, but their platform best reflects my own views.
Donald may be a bit of a nut job, but I give him props for inviting all the candidates to speak at the convention.
Cruz's petulant performance underscores the disarray of the Republican party.
I've voted for Ron Paul before even knowing he couldn't win and his effort was more of an educational campaign. I've followed his career and voting record since the 80s, maybe the late 70s. That was a long time ago. Back when Sting was still a Police.
Quote: MrV
As usual, I'll vote Libertarian.
Some may call it a throw away vote, but their platform best reflects my own views.
I've voted 3rd party in the past many times
I vote for who I want to be President
I don't view it as a throw away vote
When people tell me I am throwing away my vote, my comeback is "I am not going to vote for somebody I don't want to be President"
Quote: MrVThere was some speculation that this might finally be the year the Libertarian candidate does reasonably well.
As usual, I'll vote Libertarian.
Some may call it a throw away vote, but their platform best reflects my own views.
It's only a "throwaway vote" if you're interested at all in voting for one of the two major party candidates.
If you think, "I'd like to see Clinton elected instead of Trump, but I think the best choice is someone else, and I'm voting that way," then it could be considered a throwaway, and, in fact, some people would call it a vote for Trump since it's one fewer vote that Clinton would have received.
On the other hand, if you think, "I'm not about to vote for either Clinton or Trump," then your vote is not only not a throwaway, but it helps express a preference as to which of the "other" parties has significant widespread support.
speech: "Longest career ending suicide
note I've ever read."
What a petulant sore loser baby Lying
Ted is, he'll be lucky if he's elected
again for his senate seat.
Michael Moore is saying Trump will
win, what's up with that.
Quote: ThatDonGuyIt's only a "throwaway vote" if you're interested at all in voting for one of the two major party candidates.
Hey, it gives historians a metric about that election. Otherwise, they just record "unknown" for all those potential voters.
After all, people will be studying the results of elections years later. (assuming we don't blow the Earth all to hell before then)
If this is what it takes for political suicide, why not just go for the throat and say "trump is a moron, bigot, racist, blah blah blah..."
He my be right, but I don't think so. I predict that republicans who distance themselves from Trump will benefit in the long run whether he wins or loses in November.Quote: EvenBobCharles Krauthammer said of the Cruz
speech: "Longest career ending suicide
note I've ever read."
Because the convention is about the nominee period. It's like going to a wedding and toasting some unnamed deserving couple which may or may not be the bride and groom.Quote: RomesSo I watched the Ted Cruz speech... and through some terrible lies and typical idiocy I made it to the end. While it was clear that he said "vote up and down the ticket for the candidate that you think will uphold our values" I don't get why this is political suicide. I mean, he might have told trump he would endorse him then didn't, so I guess that's breaking your promise, but he never at any point said anything directly negative to or about trump. To me, he was simply discussing republican values and urged everyone to vote for whom they thought would uphold those best... He just never said he thought trump would.
Quote: JimRockfordHe my be right, but I don't think so.
Cruz's biggest problem is, his own side
hates his guts. Senators say things like
'To know Ted Cruz is to hate Ted Cruz.'
One of them said: "Why do most people
hate Ted Cruz almost immediately? It
saves them a lot of time."
His college roommate had dreams about
killing Cruz in his sleep. Others were always
buying him free drinks because they felt
bad that he had to put up with Ted every
day.
Cruz apparently is a classic narcissist who
tries to make you feel like an idiot every
chance he gets. He's argues about everything
because he's always right. And on top of
all that, he's a Bible thumper.
Although people didn't like his speech
Republicans are a fractured party and Teddy proved it
Rowdy New York delegates tried to make things worse
Yet the kind people from Texas made Teddy feel welcome
Is Ted going to have a say in 2020? Could be
Sure the people will forget soon enough
Although many Trump supporters will be glad he lost the election
Around this time next year when Hillary has made our country worse
Several people who supported her will begin to say they made a big mistake
So at the end of the day this election was just a farce
Quote: LoneStarHorse
Is Ted going to have a say in 2020? Could be
Sure the people will forget soon enough
Sigh. Screw the people, his own PARTY hates
him, and now they hate him even more. He
has 4 more years in the senate to get them
to pig pile on, which I'm sure they will. Cruz
is not a team player.
I live in Washington. Pretty much any vote that isn't blue is a "wasted vote". The last time Washington went red was when Reagan was running against Walter Freakin' Mondale. But I wouldn't say that Washington state Republicans are wasting their votes by trying.
More than half of the state's population live in Seattle, Tacoma, Olympia and its environs, are pretty liberal and vote Democrat.
The rest of the state, especially east of the Cascade mountain range are mostly farmers and ranchers and are staunch conservatives and vote Republican.
This schism was apparent when looking at how the marijuana legalization referendum passed: the city folk, with their large numbers, out-voted the nay-sayers east of the mountains.
Quote: MrVWashingtion state is basically two different states, politically.
More than half of the state's population live in Seattle, Tacoma, Olympia and its environs, are pretty liberal and vote Democrat.
The rest of the state, especially east of the Cascade mountain range are mostly farmers and ranchers and are staunch conservatives and vote Republican.
This schism was apparent when looking at how the marijuana legalization referendum passed: the city folk, with their large numbers, out-voted the nay-sayers east of the mountains.
Absolutely right. Western Washington has got Eastern Washington in a headlock, and that's not going to change any time soon. It's no wonder some folks in the east advocate splitting off as their own state or joining Idaho.
Quote: LoneStarHorseI was never a Ted Cruz fan until last night, he stood up & didn't cave into what the establishment wanted him to do.
That's what Trump gets for disrespecting Cruz's wife during the primaries.
Could it be political suicide for Cruz? No way, a vast majority of the Republicans still want no part of Trump.
BTW I despise Hillary & Trump. Not sure what I'll do come November.
Bottom line is, Cruz is a man of his principal and now he's my hero for giving Trump the middle finger last night
Why am I the only one bothered by the fact that Cruz (and Jeb! for that matter) broke his pledge? At the early debates they made a big deal about the fact that Trump was the only candidate who did not pledge to support the eventual nominee. They did this because they thought it was an effective way to smear Trump.
How come it is bad when Trump does not pledge to support the nominee, but heroic when Cruz pledges to support the nominee and then breaks that pledge?
I am not trying to argue, I am really just having a lot of trouble understanding this way of thinking.
For the record my hero Ron Paul would never have made a silly pledge like this and did not endorse the evil McCain, Romney, etc.
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For the record my hero Ron Paul would never have made a silly pledge like this and did not endorse the evil McCain, Romney, etc.
Right friggin ON!
Quote: bigfoot66Why am I the only one bothered by the fact that Cruz (and Jeb! for that matter) broke his pledge? At the early debates they made a big deal about the fact that Trump was the only candidate who did not pledge to support the eventual nominee. They did this because they thought it was an effective way to smear Trump.
How come it is bad when Trump does not pledge to support the nominee, but heroic when Cruz pledges to support the nominee and then breaks that pledge?
I am not trying to argue, I am really just having a lot of trouble understanding this way of thinking.
For the record my hero Ron Paul would never have made a silly pledge like this and did not endorse the evil McCain, Romney, etc.
I think it's because Republican party values are relatively well defined, and have almost no intersection with Trump goals and values. He might be the nominee, but he doesn't stand for Republican policy. So how is it wrong for others to stand for their own values instead of the ultimate RINO?
At least Cruz was the most honest, among all those who simply stayed away from their own convention out of distaste for Trump. I would have preferred more Republicans speak out in order to bring Trump closer to values in the platform. Not up to me, though.
