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July 9th, 2016 at 10:01:25 AM permalink
I asked this on another forum and got mixed answers.

I was playing at a bar in a casino, deuces wild for five dimes.
Was dealt a pair of tens, a pair of deuces and a six. Meant to discard only the six but accidentally discarded a deuce as well. Instead of making $2, I got my fifty cents back. Guy next to me tells me to call the bartender, he can look at the last hand and it will be obvious a mistake was made.
It wasn't worth it for $1.50 but for future reference, can you have them look at the machine in the event of an error.
Answers on the other forum were mixed, with one person saying they did pay him in a similar circumstance.
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July 9th, 2016 at 11:02:00 AM permalink
No chance any casino will pay you for that.


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July 9th, 2016 at 11:20:18 AM permalink
Zcore13 - I have had it happen more then once and on a couple of big hands and was paid

One specifically was 4444a. And I missed holding a four- I was paid
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July 9th, 2016 at 11:25:44 AM permalink
Quote: Wizardofnothing

Zcore13 - I have had it happen more then once and on a couple of big hands and was paid

One specifically was 4444a. And I missed holding a four- I was paid



At what Casino?


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July 9th, 2016 at 11:28:26 AM permalink
From memory - four different ones-
Hard rock Fort Lauderdale
Sugarhouse
Arizona Charlie's Las Vegas
And sands bethlaham
I also recall and Atlantic city one but it was over 10 years ago and I cannot recall which
It also may be based on the player and his or her volume
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July 9th, 2016 at 11:29:53 AM permalink
As I side note I also saw this first hand besides myself at hard rock with a guy named Preston hinn (google him if you don't know)
He plays 100 denom vp and drinks heavily
I watched him misclick dealt quads and get paid
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July 9th, 2016 at 11:31:03 AM permalink
Quote: Wizardofnothing

From memory - four different ones-
Hard rock Fort Lauderdale
Sugarhouse
Arizona Charlie's Las Vegas
And sands bethlaham
I also recall and Atlantic city one but it was over 10 years ago and I cannot recall which
It also may be based on the player and his or her volume



Could be on player status. I amend my answer. If the player was something like a Diamond level or something like that, I could see it. Just the regular run of the mill player, I would be surprised.

I've seen video of casinos allowing a player to pee on the floor between machines, so I do know status makes a difference.


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July 9th, 2016 at 11:32:22 AM permalink
I think that has a lot to do with it- same as with pai gow I have seen hands reset on obvious hands where a flush was missed or something- clearly the larger the player the more likely they will fix
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July 9th, 2016 at 11:40:26 AM permalink
I saw someone ask at MSS once and was denied. There was no looking at the player's card. They did open the machine at look at the dealt hand and what was held, but they basically said, sorry it's your responsibility to make sure the correct cards are held.
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July 9th, 2016 at 11:45:52 AM permalink
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I saw someone ask at MSS once and was denied. There was no looking at the player's card. They did open the machine at look at the dealt hand and what was held, but they basically said, sorry it's your responsibility to make sure the correct cards are held.



As soon as you approach you can see a card in a machine. If it's a top tier player, you know.


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July 9th, 2016 at 11:47:33 AM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

As soon as you approach you can see a card in a machine. If it's a top tier player, you know.


ZCore13



This was before they color coded and had tiers. So all the cards were the same.
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July 9th, 2016 at 11:48:48 AM permalink
Just as a side note- I also have been denied a couple times as well over the years, mostly it's caused by sticky buttons , the machines are always broken it seems especially the multi line ones
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July 9th, 2016 at 11:59:38 AM permalink
Saw a woman ask a floor attendant once at El Cortez and they checked her machine and paid her, think she would have gotten a quad had it held properly. Seemed they knew her as a regular, not sure if I would have done the same they would have treated me similarly as I was a nobody to them
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July 9th, 2016 at 1:07:13 PM permalink
In Bally's in AC, I saw a guy dealt a hand, maybe a full house. He saved the hands but one hold didn't register. I suggested he call over an attendant to ask for a correction. He did, but the attendant just said that he didn't hold one of the cards and that he would not help.

On a related note, does anyone know whether if you receive a royal flush on the deal, do the machine's buttons freeze up, or do you have to hold the five royal flush cards? If the buttons do not freeze, then the player could be very disappointed if the player pushed draw without saving the royal.
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July 9th, 2016 at 1:31:51 PM permalink
Quote: Wizardofnothing


Arizona Charlie's Las Vegas



Wait, what? Don't let fff see this.
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July 9th, 2016 at 1:36:30 PM permalink
Why???


As a side note the machine locks up on a dealt royal so no misclick there
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July 9th, 2016 at 3:11:36 PM permalink
Quote: ChesterDog

On a related note, does anyone know whether if you receive a royal flush on the deal, do the machine's buttons freeze up, or do you have to hold the five royal flush cards? If the buttons do not freeze, then the player could be very disappointed if the player pushed draw without saving the royal.



Machine auto-holds
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July 9th, 2016 at 3:56:33 PM permalink
I missed a proper hold when playing VP at Caesars. I don't remember the hand specifically, but it was something like QQ669. I held QQ69. On 5 play, 3 turned into 2 pair, 1 into 3 of a kind, and another into a high pair. I was stunned as to how a 2 pair can turn into high pair or three of a kind. Called a slot person over, they called a manager over, and I ended up getting paid. It was pretty confusing. I got paid my $300 or $500 or whatever it was, and all was good. Having a couple K in the machine and being 7 star definitely helped...manager was pretty reluctant to pay me anyway.
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July 9th, 2016 at 4:41:14 PM permalink
I gather it doesn't hurt to ask, in any event. I never would have even thought of trying.
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July 9th, 2016 at 11:30:48 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

I gather it doesn't hurt to ask, in any event. I never would have even thought of trying.



Exactly, it never hurts to ask. I too have seen it go both ways, with many factors probably influencing different decisions. In any case, don't waste your "one time shot" on a small hand. And don't say it was your fault, somehow try to blame the machine.
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July 10th, 2016 at 9:56:42 AM permalink
Quote: bobbartop

Exactly, it never hurts to ask. . . . In any case, don't waste your "one time shot" on a small hand. . . .



I've borrowed two of the sentences in your post --- I don't think I've messed up the context. The second sentence (which I strongly agree with and have written about) directly contradicts the first.

It CAN hurt to ask. Some casinos will correct these things some of the time --- depending. But being a frequent requester will signify to a casino (probably correctly) that you're just sloppy. After a while, it's obvious to everybody that it's not the machine, it's you.

A single line hand at the lowest stakes you play where you end up holding 554 from 55442 should be quietly ignored and absorbed. Yes you either screwed up or were "robbed" by the machine, but it's better to save your requests for when it's a bigger hand --- possibly for higher stakes and/or multi-hand. You don't want to be the guy who calls wolf too often. Save your requests for when it's a "major" amount.

Who gets the benefit of the doubt on these kinds of hands? Well, it's different everywhere but I would imagine regular customers, losing players, pleasant players, and/or big tippers will tend to have better results those who aren't so "desirable" to the casino. Win/loss is one factor of desirability, but it's hardly the only one. The guy who shows up only on days with big promotions, never tips, plays on the loosest machines, is rude to the staff and/or other players isn't going to find he gets many breaks.
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July 10th, 2016 at 10:43:09 AM permalink
Thanks. This is definitely something to keep in the vault and wisely choose the time it is deployed.
I guess it should be looked at as a one time Get out of Jail free card. You don't want to use it on a common error.
As a a Royal locks up, in JOB game, would you say it should be used on 4oak or better at a decent bet?
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July 10th, 2016 at 12:28:47 PM permalink
Why would you try and create it? Thought we were talking about mistakes
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July 10th, 2016 at 1:21:27 PM permalink
I am talking about a mistake. It's a matter of how big the mistake should be before you bring it to the casinos attention.
As someone said, you don't want to cry wolf very often.
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July 10th, 2016 at 7:14:33 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

I am talking about a mistake. It's a matter of how big the mistake should be before you bring it to the casinos attention.
As someone said, you don't want to cry wolf very often.

hopefully this isn't happening often.
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July 10th, 2016 at 7:18:08 PM permalink
Kentrys mom cries wolf often am I right
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July 10th, 2016 at 10:29:28 PM permalink
Quote: BobDancer

I've borrowed two of the sentences in your post --- I don't think I've messed up the context.




Nope, you didn't mess up the context, you improved it. Thanks.
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December 7th, 2016 at 11:13:54 PM permalink
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December 8th, 2016 at 5:44:04 AM permalink
When I first started playing video poker, I learned the game from my copy of American Casino Guide in 2002. So there I am at the Laughlin Nugget playing .25 9/6 JoB. I get dealt a full house and I'm so excited and I hit draw. Ended up with nothing. Had no idea at the time I could have put myself at the mercy of the casino and asked if they could correct my error.
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December 8th, 2016 at 1:33:19 PM permalink
I believe I have done it twice and they paid both times. I remember specifically playing at the main bar at NYNY and a ten not holding on $5 JOB. I was dealt three tens and the fourth one came came up as the first card out. They checked the buttons and hand paid me $610.
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December 8th, 2016 at 2:34:15 PM permalink
How would you phrase such a mistake?

A) I meant to hold a card, didn't, and I want to my money.

B) I pressed hold, it didn't hold, I didn't wait to verify it was held before drawing, and I want my money.

C)I pressed hold, it held, I hit draw and it unheld itself by itself and I want money.

Seems even if you have one chance at mercy, you might not get it for A and B, even if A and B are true. C might happen without knowing it happened. Is it possible for a button to be pressed once and work twice.
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December 8th, 2016 at 3:03:31 PM permalink
Quote: Greasyjohn

When I first started playing video poker, I learned the game from my copy of American Casino Guide in 2002. So there I am at the Laughlin Nugget playing .25 9/6 JoB. I get dealt a full house and I'm so excited and I hit draw. Ended up with nothing. Had no idea at the time I could have put myself at the mercy of the casino and asked if they could correct my error.

Some friends of mine decided to bring a friend to pay UX video poker. She was dealt a full house on 10x.05.
They were so excited...

...that they forgot to tell her to hold the cards. :-(
She hit draw & the full house was redrawn.
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December 8th, 2016 at 5:44:59 PM permalink
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How would you phrase such a mistake?

A) I meant to hold a card, didn't, and I want to my money.

B) I pressed hold, it didn't hold, I didn't wait to verify it was held before drawing, and I want my money.

C)I pressed hold, it held, I hit draw and it unheld itself by itself and I want money.

Seems even if you have one chance at mercy, you might not get it for A and B, even if A and B are true. C might happen without knowing it happened. Is it possible for a button to be pressed once and work twice.



Very politely and humbly. Explain what happened and ask for their help. One reason I go out of my way to be nice to workers is that you never know when you might need them for something.
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December 8th, 2016 at 7:45:21 PM permalink
Yes... Save these for larger mistakes. Something that costs you a small amount isn't worth it. Slow down and try not to make mistakes.

I have seen this used as an old trick on 5 way progressives too. Say you are dealt aces for 900 on the progressive that starts at 800. Drop one ace, hit draw, call em over in a joint you know will pay you, collect the money and they don't reset the progressive, play till you make them again. Doesn't work everywhere but I've seen it done and done my share... Tip better for this too!

I've had things like this happen so many times I can't even explain all of them. It depends on where your playing and who you have make the decision but I'd say almost always, always I get paid and asked to slow down next time. I was playing 50 cent full pay Jokers at the Western years ago and made a mistake with a 4 oak and got no joy but usually I get paid... Well in the high 90% tile.

I had a friend blow past a dime Royal on a Double Royal promo and call them over... Rolled back and got paid the bonus.

Not all flopped royals lock up. Seen one at 50 cent aces and eights on my partners machine and was surprised he had to hold hold hold. Guess cause it's not the top Royal payout since that game has a sequential royal.
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December 8th, 2016 at 9:19:45 PM permalink
Quote: monet0412

I have seen this used as an old trick on 5 way progressives too. Say you are dealt aces for 900 on the progressive that starts at 800. Drop one ace, hit draw, call em over in a joint you know will pay you, collect the money and they don't reset the progressive, play till you make them again. Doesn't work everywhere but I've seen it done and done my share... Tip better for this too!

Wow. Learn something new every day...
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December 8th, 2016 at 9:43:28 PM permalink
Many more easy shots like this to pull with no risk and seen many get the payment but I better stfu and not give too much away for free😃
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December 9th, 2016 at 4:37:54 AM permalink
I know someone whose wife hit I think four aces with a kicker on double double bonus for $10,000 on the deal. In her excitement she hit the draw button and threw it away, getting trash on the draw. She and her husband called the slot manager and pleaded with them for mercy but he only gave them a comped dinner. I tend to think the husband was a known player there, but perhaps not in a good way.

I must say that I morally disapprove of deliberately throwing away hands and lying about it for shot-taking purposes. Such tactics give advantage players a bad name.
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December 9th, 2016 at 6:00:54 AM permalink
Quote: monet0412

Yes... Save these for larger mistakes. Something that costs you a small amount isn't worth it. Slow down and try not to make mistakes.

I have seen this used as an old trick on 5 way progressives too. Say you are dealt aces for 900 on the progressive that starts at 800. Drop one ace, hit draw, call em over in a joint you know will pay you, collect the money and they don't reset the progressive, play till you make them again. Doesn't work everywhere but I've seen it done and done my share... Tip better for this too!

I've had things like this happen so many times I can't even explain all of them. It depends on where your playing and who you have make the decision but I'd say almost always, always I get paid and asked to slow down next time. I was playing 50 cent full pay Jokers at the Western years ago and made a mistake with a 4 oak and got no joy but usually I get paid... Well in the high 90% tile.

I had a friend blow past a dime Royal on a Double Royal promo and call them over... Rolled back and got paid the bonus.

Not all flopped royals lock up. Seen one at 50 cent aces and eights on my partners machine and was surprised he had to hold hold hold. Guess cause it's not the top Royal payout since that game has a sequential royal.

Someone isn't doing their job in most cases I have seen where there is an issue with a progressive and a player is paid they reset it manually.
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December 9th, 2016 at 6:02:57 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I know someone whose wife hit I think four aces with a kicker on double double bonus for $10,000 on the deal. In her excitement she hit the draw button and threw it away, getting trash on the draw. She and her husband called the slot manager and pleaded with them for mercy but he only gave them a comped dinner. I tend to think the husband was a known player there, but perhaps not in a good way.

I must say that I morally disapprove of deliberately throwing away hands and lying about it for shot-taking purposes. Such tactics give advantage players a bad name.

Would that also apply to what Phil Ivey did?
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December 9th, 2016 at 6:14:38 AM permalink
I would expect being laughed at if a machine isn't working right and I don't win because of it. I asked about this at a local casino and was told, they will not pay you if you make a mistake. I was told they'll work on fixing buttons that stick if you ask. I would never intentionally scam a casino like mentioned, but it's probably a bigger scam casinos dont maintain their machines in working order. The casinos are financially motivated and rewarded ignoring machines not in the best condition. That's sad.

Then they keep a list of those affected and tell them one mulligan per patron. It's like a coke machine doesn't give cokes and you're to blame it doesn't work right. They need to keep a list of machines that aren't working and fix them.
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December 9th, 2016 at 9:37:45 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I know someone whose wife hit I think four aces with a kicker on double double bonus for $10,000 on the deal. In her excitement she hit the draw button and threw it away, getting trash on the draw. She and her husband called the slot manager and pleaded with them for mercy but he only gave them a comped dinner. I tend to think the husband was a known player there, but perhaps not in a good way.

I must say that I morally disapprove of deliberately throwing away hands and lying about it for shot-taking purposes. Such tactics give advantage players a bad name.



Just to clarify, I was asking only about honest mistakes, not shot taking although I understand intent is difficult to prove.
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December 9th, 2016 at 9:40:56 AM permalink
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Someone isn't doing their job in most cases I have seen where there is an issue with a progressive and a player is paid they reset it manually.



Oh no doubt some places are sharper than others and reset progressives accordingly. I just love how all you AP Gambling honest injuns are on this site. "I'd never take a shot deliberately" or "That's beneath me" ! My point is if your playing BJ and the dealer is sloppy with the hole card are you telling them to stop showing it to me? Isn't card counting against the ethical rules... Why am I at +7 and betting more compared to when I'm at -2 ... Stop that immediately and let the floor man know I've been counting cards... Ya im counting cards! Hey Slots Manager... Im paying people an hourly wage to play your 5x Royal Progressives... Im sorry! You get over paid at the dice table or cashier and your saying I can't take that extra hundred! This machine is overpaying me five dollars when I cash out the coins... Please fix it! Your paying me too much in cash back with this point multiplier on Wednesday... Please don't give me 30x points! Call the slot manager... This one video poker machine is giving me 6x points instead of the 3x I'm supposed to get! You need to fix this immediately or I'm leaving! I am using my wife's players card by mistake ... My bad! Please take her points away for the last 8 hours! Your roulette wheel is warped... Please fix it today! Hey drunk tourists I see your two Holdem cards ever time you look at them in this poker game ... I'm leaving this table! These vision machines are way too easy to beat... Please fix them! I spent 300 in comp at the steak house and after swiping it didn't come off of my account... I'm not using my comp till you fix your system and please adjust my comp dollars now! Nothing but the honest AP gambers on this website... I'm the only dishonest shot taking thief on here 😉 !!
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December 10th, 2016 at 7:10:12 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I must say that I morally disapprove of deliberately throwing away hands and lying about it for shot-taking purposes. Such tactics give advantage players a bad name.



Well I morally disapprove of this self righteous attitude but to each his/her own. I have had a current play at a Casino for over 3 years now. It is a small glitch that yields a profit of $750 per month in cash per player. Now if a player is going to take advantage of this immoral or unethical advantage it is no different than throwing away a winning hand on purpose and asking to be paid for it. Either way... I could care less... I have been making $2200 per month on this one play alone for years and I hope it continues another 3 years!! However, what I really would disapprove of is some self righteous SOB figuring this glitch out and telling the Casino what is going on so they can shut it down! Oh and why on Earth would any AP care if they have a bad name or not. This is a war against Evil Empires. Do you think the Station Casinos have a good name because of what they did when they sold and re-bought the same properties for pennies on the dollars?? I guess it is good for Large Corporations to take advantage of glitches or taking shots for Billions or Dollars but for some little guy to take advantage of a small play... that is some serious Evil Doing!

I don't feel like getting into it but if anyone feels like writing up what the Stations Casinos actually did and can tell me that what they did is Ethical Behavior... I'd like to read it? For the record this is just one of many Unethical examples of Casinos Behavior.
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December 10th, 2016 at 11:59:49 AM permalink
I have made this request a handful of times - typically it occured because the button actually stuck or did not register so I typically asked to have the machine tested. Typically, It has been my experience that if they discovered that the buttons aren't working quite properly they will pay it but these have typically been for somewhere between $50 and $250 errors.

I just assuned most folks get the same consideration but I do play a pretty decent amount of video poker and at most places I am behind a fair amount and I guess I'm a reasonably nice guy and a fairly good tipper. I have only been denied getting paid one time and they tested the buttons and said they were working fine, I think I just missed hitting the button that time.
RS
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December 10th, 2016 at 12:10:36 PM permalink
This sure took a sudden twist...


Ultimately I think it comes down to whether you're taking advantage of a machine or error type of thing or glitch or if you're taking advantage of a person like if you get overpaid at the cage, it comes out of their paycheck or they get in trouble.


Shot takers end up getting cheated.
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December 10th, 2016 at 5:50:59 PM permalink
How about when I get invited all the time to casinos for some 10x multiplier days and the points never and I mean never multiply. This has been going on for over 5 years. Don't worry I get every point coming to me but I have to fight for weeks to get them all. Now do you think everyone takes the time to bother?? Heck no and the casino knows that they sucker all these chumps in for 10x points and don't pay them because they don't ask for point adjustments. Definitely immoral and unethical behavior over and over and marketing just keeps laughing and laughing! I don't want to hear this BS about how cheaters never win or if you cheat your only cheating yourself! Save that garbage for the marks that keep getting suckered and don't know it and don't care to know it! Show me a millionaire that doesn't take shots or exploit something or someone in life. I live in the real world... Not fantasy Internet island, where it seems the average AP is making a cool 100k a year!
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December 10th, 2016 at 6:09:29 PM permalink
Let's look at another immoral or unethical situation that most players come across. Your walking through the Casino and you see 10 dollars inside of a machine with the cash out light flashing. You look around and nobody is even close by. You cash out and leave to the next Casino 10 dollars richer. (Don't be this stupid though. Stick a 20 in at least and it might even be better to spin the reels once.) Now you have just stolen the Casinos money and that is how they see it. They say that money is in their machines and that means it is owned by them. They will 86 you if they feel like it if they catch you. My biggest Credit Hustle was 856 dollars. Pretty sweet in the desert for us Shot Taking... Immoral... Unethical Players!

Anyone ever paid for a lap dance or a half hour with a hooker or a massage with all sorts of endings? Pretty Immoral, Unethical Behavior that I disapprove of!! Not to mention downright illegal... well maybe not just the lap dance part! You get the drift with this BS and Self Righteous Attitude throwing down judgment down on your fellow man. Rocks and Glass or Houses or something like that I think.
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December 10th, 2016 at 6:53:44 PM permalink
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Oh no doubt some places are sharper than others and reset progressives accordingly. I just love how all you AP Gambling honest injuns are on this site. "I'd never take a shot deliberately" or "That's beneath me" ! My point is if your playing BJ and the dealer is sloppy with the hole card are you telling them to stop showing it to me? Isn't card counting against the ethical rules... Why am I at +7 and betting more compared to when I'm at -2 ... Stop that immediately and let the floor man know I've been counting cards... Ya im counting cards! Hey Slots Manager... Im paying people an hourly wage to play your 5x Royal Progressives... Im sorry! You get over paid at the dice table or cashier and your saying I can't take that extra hundred! This machine is overpaying me five dollars when I cash out the coins... Please fix it! Your paying me too much in cash back with this point multiplier on Wednesday... Please don't give me 30x points! Call the slot manager... This one video poker machine is giving me 6x points instead of the 3x I'm supposed to get! You need to fix this immediately or I'm leaving! I am using my wife's players card by mistake ... My bad! Please take her points away for the last 8 hours! Your roulette wheel is warped... Please fix it today! Hey drunk tourists I see your two Holdem cards ever time you look at them in this poker game ... I'm leaving this table! These vision machines are way too easy to beat... Please fix them! I spent 300 in comp at the steak house and after swiping it didn't come off of my account... I'm not using my comp till you fix your system and please adjust my comp dollars now! Nothing but the honest AP gambers on this website... I'm the only dishonest shot taking thief on here 😉 !!

Fyi since you quoted me and then included your rant, or whatever you call it.

To be clear I was not judging at all. I only said someone isn't doing their job. I never said ANYTHING regarding the morality of this or anything gray moves involving the casinos.
Everyone has their own personal line and that's their business.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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December 10th, 2016 at 7:27:20 PM permalink
Actually AxelWolf if you read my words I was agreeing with you 100%. If you read my so called rant you'll see that I was objecting to that comment made by the all powerful and mighty person behind the curtain. I can't think that out of all your posts the only thing I could refute is that you never seen anyone open carry in town cause not only have I done it many times... I've seen others as well. As far as APing goes your way ahead of me and your information is solid!

Another unethical behavior for APs is card pulling... Anyone here ever done that?
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December 11th, 2016 at 7:54:44 AM permalink
You're actually stealing from another player when you cash money or of a machine that isn't yours. It's theft, and in my opinion, you should go to jail for doing it.
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