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Quote: nodummy57Just ignore that info. Same site that falsely reported that Roller Derby was scripted.
I may indeed ignore cracked.com, but I have no doubt that NBA games are a farce. Subject to the whims of the officials.
1.) All-Star quarterbacks cannot be intercepted. At the discretion of the ref, a ball that is caught by a defensive player may be judged to be an incompletion.
2.) Any pass, thrown by an All-Star quarterback that at least hits one of his receivers, even if not caught (after all we don’t know what a catch is anyway) can, at the discretion of the ref, be called a reception.
3.) Similarly, any ball that hits an All-Star receiver, even if thrown by a 3rd. string quarterback may, and even if it hits him in the foot, at the discretion of the ref, be called a reception.
4.) An All-Star offensive lineman cannot be called for holding as long as it is not caught on camera.
5.) All-Star defensive backs may be deemed to have an interception if they at least get a pinkie on the ball.
6.) All-Star running backs can never be ruled to have fumbled.
Just a few thoughts to make football more basketball like……….
Quote: steeldcoI have for quite a while felt that the NBA was just a couple of steps away from being Wrestling. Which is why I found interesting the article entitled "3 Reasons People Think The NBA Is as Rigged as Wrestling" found at cracked.com. I don't necessarily believe all 3 of the reasons. However, I do, absolutely, believe that the officials completely control who wins. Completely. It's a farce. It would be a great game if we could somehow eliminate the officiating. Did they have all of this officiating when the game was first conceived?
Can we get a copy of the script prior to the game?
Quote: steeldcoI have for quite a while felt that the NBA was just a couple of steps away from being Wrestling. Which is why I found interesting the article entitled "3 Reasons People Think The NBA Is as Rigged as Wrestling" found at cracked.com. I don't necessarily believe all 3 of the reasons. However, I do, absolutely, believe that the officials completely control who wins. Completely. It's a farce. It would be a great game if we could somehow eliminate the officiating. Did they have all of this officiating when the game was first conceived?
You have obviously never played or officiated at any higher levels. Baseball, basketball, football are not scripted. Has there ever been a corrupt referee? Of course. There are corrupt players referees staff fans. But the games and the outcomes are not.
Quote: mcallister3200why the hell would anyone want San antonio or cleveland to ever be good, and New York always suck.
Did you forget Mark Cuban bought the San Antonio franchise ?
Quote: Zcore13You have obviously never played or officiated at any higher levels. Baseball, basketball, football are not scripted. Has there ever been a corrupt referee? Of course. There are corrupt players referees staff fans. But the games and the outcomes are not.
I don't need to officiate a game to know that in the NBA, the officials rule. They determine the outcomes of the vast majority of the games. What legitimate game would favor certain players when fouls are called, and do so openly. They admit it. You do know that NBA officials lean towards to giving the "stars" all the calls, when they feel like it, right?
The college game is a much cleaner, authentic, game when compared to the NBA. Not perfect, but vastly better.
Quote: RonCNo one who has seriously watched the NBA can ignore the reality that the "Stars" get away with much more than the average player. Their fouls and other violations (like traveling) are ignored to a large enough extent to make a difference. I won't go as far as to say it is "rigged" but the game is not called "right down the middle", either.
Thank you. You probably articulated my thoughts better than I had. Bottom line is that the NBA game is the worst of the professional games insofar as outcomes being decided by something other than in a fair and non-subjective manner. To me, it remains a farce. That subjectivity needs to be removed as much as possible if the NBA wants to become more popular. It may even lose popularity if they don't do something about it.
The difference in how normal quarterbacks vs stars are treated in regards to late hits/roughing penalties is comparable IMO. The difference in the way the strike zone is called for star pitchers vs. average joe's, or a star hitter passing on a pitch on the corner vs a normal pitcher is as bad or worse. All these sports officials have an outcome on the game for the worse, I don't feel like the NBA is really any worse.
Quote: steeldcoAlso, just to be clear. I didn't say that they were scripted.
The college game is a much cleaner, authentic, game when compared to the NBA. Not perfect, but vastly better.
Lol, just lol
Quote: mcallister3200Parity in the nfl is more a function of needing 30 quality players for a good team, basketball you need 2-3 very good players and another 5 competent players, very apples to oranges, fundamentally different games, 1-2 players cannot control the game nearly as much in football as basketball. The difference in how normal quarterbacks vs stars are treated in regards to late hits/roughing penalties is comparable IMO.
Your comment that you need 2-3 good players is the problem. Good players aren't necessarily good players when they are not favored on the calls. A solid 1 thru 5 should be able to win, even without "stars" if the game is called fairly.
Quote: steeldcoYour comment that you need 2-3 good players is the problem. Good players aren't necessarily good players when they are not favored on the calls. A solid 1 thru 5 should be able to win, even without "stars" if the game is called fairly.
Yeah, you don't understand basketball that well whether it's 4th grade or NBA then if you believe that to be true, no point in arguing further.
2-3 very good, not just good, and enough competent to fill a rotation.
Quote: mcallister3200Yeah, you don't understand basketball that well whether it's 4th grade or NBA then if you believe that to be true, no point in arguing further.
2-3 very good, not just good, and enough competent to fill a rotation.
I will gladly admit that I don't understand everything about the game. I would also suggest that you look warily upon those who say they do. :-)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_DonaghyQuote: Zcore13There are corrupt players referees staff fans. But the games and the outcomes are not.
Donaghy's book -- Personal FoulQuote: WikiOn July 20, 2007, columnist Murray Weiss of the New York Post reported an investigation by the FBI into allegations of an NBA referee betting on games to control the point spread. It was revealed that Donaghy, who has a gambling problem, placed tens of thousands of dollars in bets on games during the 2005–06 and 2006–07 season and had been approached by low-level mob associates to work on a gambling scheme. Mike Missanelli of The Stephen A. Smith Show suggested that Donaghy had gotten himself into debt and tried to make it up by betting on games.
Note the plural "referees".Quote: AmazonPersonal Foul takes an in-depth look at former NBA referee Tim Donaghy and the betting scandal that rocked professional basketball. This is the decisive book that reveals exactly what was done and how it all happened. Which games were affected and how? Did referees target particular players or teams? Just how much did the NBA know and when? How did the mafia get involved? The book answers all of these questions and more. Thrilling and poignant, Personal Foul takes readers on the journey of one man wrestling his own demons and shines a light on a culture of gambling and "directive" officiating in the NBA that promises to change the way sports fans view the game forever. The book also includes a foreword by Phil Scala, the FBI Special Agent who worked the Gambino case.
Quote: nodummy57Did you forget Mark Cuban bought the San Antonio franchise ?
The San Antonio franchise of what? Baskin Robbins?
Quote: DRichThe San Antonio franchise of what? Baskin Robbins?
I think it was the Squatty Potty franchise.
Quote: SOOPOOWhere to begin.... Have there been basketball referees that helped fix games? Yes. Most famous is recent Tim Donaghy. Do NBA referees favor 'star' players over others? Sure, somewhat. But there are more fouls called on Lebron's defenders because Lebron is so fast, athletic, strong.... that he puts those defenders in bad positions that result in him being fouled more. Do referees INTENTIONALLY call more fouls on a certain player, or ignore travelling on certain players? I would say no, except in the truly rare instance of a rogue on the take referee. Does bad officiating affect the outcome of NBA games? Of course! But help me here, when Lebron is playing Steph, who is the star they are fixing the game for? And why again?
I would suggest that for the years 2010 thru 2012, Curry didn't get the calls.
I absolutely KNOW that calls are ignored on certain players. LeBron doesn't get called for traveling even though he can take 5 steps. I've seen it. This type of stuff isn't new. I remember Michael Jordan getting the same treatment. Hell, even the announcers allude to calls going against rookies. Again, nothing new. It needs to be cleaned up. The NBA is not quite legitimate. The rules aren't applied even handedly.
I agree that a ref (yes, just one) can control the outcome of a game, and even the spread by calling fouls or swallowing their whistle. However, I remember the game prior to the shot clock. A four-corner stall for 10 minutes was unwatchable, so the evolution of rules that favored the offense had to happen, for the survival of the game. The number of players with career free throw percentages 80% or higher is a good measure of how the game has changed. Television ratings, and the corresponding ad revenue, drive the packaging of sports. It is inevitable that they become more media friendly, as epitomized by "Professional" Wrestling Entertainment.
I'm going to find my "Rollerball" DVD (the original with James Caan) and watch it again. Jon-a-than.... Jon-a-than...
Quote: AyecarumbaIf NBA games were called 'by the book", it would quickly become a bore of free throws and marquee players sitting on the bench after fouling out halfway through the third quarter.
I agree with you. So change the "book". Reduce the type of fouls that can be called. You know how many times a defender is called for a foul on a block even though he got all ball. Change that. Maybe allow a defender to hit the guy's hand or arm in the process of a block? As long as he's not putting the shooter on the foor, let it go. I'd be all for fewer fouls. That would help reduce the impact that an official could have on a game. Sorry I didn't mean to imply that there should be more fouls.
Most importantly though, discipline the refs if they don't apply the rules evenly.
Misogynistic comment. Definitely not funny.Quote: HowManyIf you watch the WNBA and The Kentucky Derby simultaneously, it's IMPOSSIBLE to tell which one is basketball and which one is horse racing. They look identical. I can't explain it.
OOOPS, my bad!
Quote: teliotMisogynistic comment. Definitely not funny.
Do you use big words like that to make yourself feel smart?
I love women, and they love me.
It's just that some women look like horses. Just an observation, man.
P.S.- your book is fantastic.
Quote: RonCCalling it "down the middle" is what is important. We can argue whether or not every foul should be called, the rule book should be changed, etc. but referees applying the same standard to all calls they make or referees having different standards based on the players involved makes a difference. The way the games are called now, the "Stars" are playing by a different set of rules. That is what makes it unfair, not the exact enforcement of every rule. If you give LeBron more steps than an average player, you are giving him a competitive advantage. There are many great players. They don't need favoritism to be great.
I wouldn't even say "now". I think the NBA went downhill in the 90's, when the Pistons were allowed to be thugs, and Michael Jordan (yes, I'm a fan) was allowed an extra step-and-a-half in the lane. Once those precedents were set, you got the Portland coach throttled, extra elbows everywhere, a fair amount of flagrant fouls not called any more, slammah jammah garbage ball. Ugh. I stopped paying attention for the most part after about 1996, when the team play and elegant basketball had departed the fix.
