Law & Order: Cilvil Forfeiture Unit
October 24th, 2014 at 2:07:51 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kEpZWGgJks
We are not guilty of anything but our cash are. About couple years ago, my brother had a road trip driving from California to New York.
And he got pull over in Philly when he was driving within the freeway speed limit. The cops asked about the cash and he luckily did not carry much.
Then the cop asked for permission to search the car. My brother was thinking that he had nothing to hide. So that, he allowed it. It is very easy to get robbed on the highway. The cops are working very hard to protect us from the criminals (Our own cash).
We are not guilty of anything but our cash are. About couple years ago, my brother had a road trip driving from California to New York.
And he got pull over in Philly when he was driving within the freeway speed limit. The cops asked about the cash and he luckily did not carry much.
Then the cop asked for permission to search the car. My brother was thinking that he had nothing to hide. So that, he allowed it. It is very easy to get robbed on the highway. The cops are working very hard to protect us from the criminals (Our own cash).
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October 24th, 2014 at 2:17:33 PM
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Turning the police into Bounty Hunters is always a mistake. Those training sessions and new toys come from seized money and its our money they are seizing.
Some people avoid certain states but its happening all over the place. Some people now try to avoid freeways entirely. Most of the cases that make "the news" are from people who can afford a lawyer or whose story in some how entertaining enough to merit some local coverage. Thousands of people can't afford lawyers or have waived the right to appeal the forfeiture to stay out of jail or to keep their kids from being seized until the parent's "criminal charges" are settled.
Some people avoid certain states but its happening all over the place. Some people now try to avoid freeways entirely. Most of the cases that make "the news" are from people who can afford a lawyer or whose story in some how entertaining enough to merit some local coverage. Thousands of people can't afford lawyers or have waived the right to appeal the forfeiture to stay out of jail or to keep their kids from being seized until the parent's "criminal charges" are settled.
October 24th, 2014 at 3:16:05 PM
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I saw that bit. Knowing that midterms are upon you guys in the U.S. and that most legislators are gonna be re-elected, I have another stupid foreigner question:
Are Americans cool with the police being able to just take their stuff?
If yes, wtf? I woud generally expect the police to pull me over and take my money in China or Vietnam or North Korea, but not the US.
Maybe you guys are saying "It *mostly* affects actual criminals so I am down with maybe losing a few thousand for a good cause."
If no, why aren't people using the democratic process (e.g. mid-terms) to get rid of it?
Are Americans cool with the police being able to just take their stuff?
If yes, wtf? I woud generally expect the police to pull me over and take my money in China or Vietnam or North Korea, but not the US.
Maybe you guys are saying "It *mostly* affects actual criminals so I am down with maybe losing a few thousand for a good cause."
If no, why aren't people using the democratic process (e.g. mid-terms) to get rid of it?
October 24th, 2014 at 3:29:36 PM
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Quote: Canyonero
Are Americans cool with the police being able to just take their stuff?
People are cool with the cops taking *someone else's* stuff. It all started in the 1980s and having the cops supposedly take the toys the high-level dope dealers had. With not enough of that group to go around, more and more people get robbed.
You will still get many people agree that "if you get pulled over for DUI you should lose your car on the spot!"
It is no longer the USA is now just considered "mostly free" and behind Estonia in freedom rankings.
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others
October 24th, 2014 at 3:39:15 PM
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As for police in this country being different, depends on your point of reference. Josie was in a CNA class with several Russian girls. Two of them were under 21 and had been drinking in the mountains and driving home intoxicated. Josie said they would have been in real trouble if a policeman stopped them. But the girls said it would not have been a problem because they had lots of money on them. And both girls believed that !
Only thing I have never been pulled over for is DWB. But old habits die hard. Cop car coming from behind me, right turn ASAP.. Never a left, can get hung up too long.
Wait till states get a real green light on scanning plates into a data base ! Let's check where Buzzard's car had driven the last 2 weeks.
Any burglaries in that neighborhood ?
Only thing I have never been pulled over for is DWB. But old habits die hard. Cop car coming from behind me, right turn ASAP.. Never a left, can get hung up too long.
Wait till states get a real green light on scanning plates into a data base ! Let's check where Buzzard's car had driven the last 2 weeks.
Any burglaries in that neighborhood ?
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The gem that filled it
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October 24th, 2014 at 4:32:23 PM
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Because when you come right down to it, Americans pretty much don't care about anything anymore and few bother to vote anyway.Quote: CanyoneroIf no, why aren't people using the democratic process (e.g. mid-terms) to get rid of it?
October 24th, 2014 at 4:39:48 PM
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As long as voters act on feelings, rather than logic, we will continue losing civil rights under presidents like Obama.
October 24th, 2014 at 6:48:14 PM
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Quote: CanyoneroQuote:I have another stupid foreigner question:
Where do you live that the cops don't take your stuff? That sounds pretty cool, cops not taking your stuff hehe,hehehe [Beavis]. I can't imagine how much loot has gone missing from evidence lockers in just coke and cash alone. They have been taking our stuff since at least the roaring twenties, many just consider it the "vig".It's just that they are becoming greedier and more blatant about it.
No, but busy watching "Honey BooBoo" re-runs and eating government cheese.Quote:Are Americans cool with the police being able to just take their stuff?
Over 50% are too heavily invested in the status quo to complain loud enough for anyone to hear. That is democracy.Quote:If no, why aren't people using the democratic process
October 24th, 2014 at 7:55:07 PM
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When I was an underaged drinker in a small town the cops new all the cars and who would be in them and if they likely had any booze. Close to the end of their shift on a Saturday night we would get pulled over and the booze confiscated. Once they had enough for their own party they would stop. We all knew the system, we wouldn't face any charges they got free booze for their party.
A few years later when I was of age I got to join their parties and got most of my lost booze back a drink or two at a time. The town was small and remote enough that it was a first posting for the RCMP so the majority of the cops were quite young.
A few years later when I was of age I got to join their parties and got most of my lost booze back a drink or two at a time. The town was small and remote enough that it was a first posting for the RCMP so the majority of the cops were quite young.
Be careful when you follow the masses, the M is sometimes silent.
October 24th, 2014 at 9:34:52 PM
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Legal tax paying mmj shops are an easy hit for the cops who need some extra cash and smoke. They don't even have to draw their guns, they just like to. Busting state documented mmj dispensaries don't put up much of a threat to the swat, dea, dod, ddd, or bfd, they didn't even know they were breaking the law of having money that needed confiscating.
Fourty thousand laws enacted in 2012, we are each bound to be breaking at least one of them. We can't even find out what some of the laws are with the freedom of information act requests.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/24/dea-raid-medical-marijuana-los-angeles_n_6038926.html
Fourty thousand laws enacted in 2012, we are each bound to be breaking at least one of them. We can't even find out what some of the laws are with the freedom of information act requests.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/24/dea-raid-medical-marijuana-los-angeles_n_6038926.html
August 13th, 2015 at 7:34:22 PM
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Quote:Feds will fight to keep $167,000 taken from driver in Northern Nevada
http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/nevada/feds-will-fight-keep-167000-taken-driver-northern-nevada
Quote:According to court documents, a Nevada Highway Patrol trooper first stopped Gorman for driving too slow in the fast lane, but after Gorman refused to let him search the motor home, he was allowed to go on his way.
The trooper then arranged for an Elko County sheriff's deputy with a drug-sniffing dog to stop Gorman again, and the dog alerted the deputy to something suspicious in the motor home, documents show.
The search turned up no drugs, but the $167,000 was found hidden in various places.
I don't blame dogs for being dogs, but sure seems like they can be used to unscrupulously cross any fuzzy lines needed to get someone they want to get. You know, if you just had some marijuana in there at one time or even someone smoked in the trailer maybe.
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August 13th, 2015 at 8:32:25 PM
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Quote: rxwineI don't blame dogs for being dogs, but sure seems like they can be used to unscrupulously cross any fuzzy lines needed to get someone they want to get. You know, if you just had some marijuana in there at one time or even someone smoked in the trailer maybe.
I hear you can train a dog to find the scent of money, just like the scent of marijuana, cocaine, or explosives.
May the cards fall in your favor.
August 13th, 2015 at 9:32:39 PM
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Yes, you can but it much easier to train a cop to merely say his dog alerted. faster. More efficient.Quote: DieterI hear you can train a dog to find the scent of money, just like the scent of marijuana, cocaine, or explosives.
ain't no way the defense lawyer can ever cross examine the poor mutt, you know.
August 15th, 2015 at 5:04:43 PM
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+1
Wide established fact that cops can get dogs to false positive on demand.
I always carry my cash on my person when I go to the casino for this reason.
Also I don't speed anyway, so I never ran into this issue.
Just don't speed.
Wide established fact that cops can get dogs to false positive on demand.
I always carry my cash on my person when I go to the casino for this reason.
Also I don't speed anyway, so I never ran into this issue.
Just don't speed.
August 15th, 2015 at 5:34:45 PM
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Civil forfeiture is definitely out of control and something should be done. But love when John Oliver analyzes things. Hilarious.
August 15th, 2015 at 8:38:13 PM
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They will pull you over for going too slow.Quote: Neutrino
Also I don't speed anyway, so I never ran into this issue.
Just don't speed.
You can't win.
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