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I cant say I am thrilled.
Spent the last 30 min just checking out the site.
What is casino whoring?
This site is all about online casinos which I have little interest in.
What facinates me is how many online casinos are out there.
Seems alot of the reviews revolve around online slots.
I'll barely play a live real one, no way I am playing an online slot machine for real money.
The site detected me in Tampa so in the "nearby casino box", The Hard Rock Seminole Tampa was listed.
So I clicked for the review, it was glowing. Sheesh. I almost thought the casino itself wrote the review. Comments were ridiculous.
Go to the American casino guide web site for honest responses to this terrible casino.
Not thrilled with the design of the forum. Also not thrilled with topics, much more diverse and lively here.
To be fair, there is alot there and I barely scratched the surface. But what I have seen, not real impressed.
Maybe we need to be educated on the advantages of the online casino scene. So far, I just dont get it. Much rather do Vegas.
Quote: terapinedWell I checked out the new owners web site.
I cant say I am thrilled.
Spent the last 30 min just checking out the site.
What is casino whoring?
This site is all about online casinos which I have little interest in.
What facinates me is how many online casinos are out there.
Seems alot of the reviews revolve around online slots.
I'll barely play a live real one, no way I am playing an online slot machine for real money.
The site detected me in Tampa so in the "nearby casino box", The Hard Rock Seminole Tampa was listed.
So I clicked for the review, it was glowing. Sheesh. I almost thought the casino itself wrote the review. Comments were ridiculous.
Go to the American casino guide web site for honest responses to this terrible casino.
Not thrilled with the design of the forum. Also not thrilled with topics, much more diverse and lively here.
To be fair, there is alot there and I barely scratched the surface. But what I have seen, not real impressed.
Maybe we need to be educated on the advantages of the online casino scene. So far, I just dont get it. Much rather do Vegas.
not sure what you mean about casino whoring but back in the day a lot of us bonus whored. We would get the match bonus, play the minimum and cash out. Move on to the next one. There were so many casinos out there that some of us made a decent living for a year or so doing it.
Quote: GWAEnot sure what you mean about casino whoring but back in the day a lot of us bonus whored. We would get the match bonus, play the minimum and cash out. Move on to the next one. There were so many casinos out there that some of us made a decent living for a year or so doing it.
Check out the forum over there, there is a subtoplc with a ton of posts on Casino whoring. Its big over there.
Mission also mentioned it in his welcome post to Zuga
Quote: WizardFor many years, bonus whoring was the most lucrative advantage play out there. I know people who made millions from it, and continue to. Personally, I think I've made from from online casinos bonuses than any other advantage play. It is a topic that has been very overlooked on this site.
A few years ago when I was down on my luck I tried to get back into it. Problem is they have all wised up to it and made the wager through to something like 50x on BJ and 30x on slots. I can remember when some sites were as low as 5x on slots and 10x on BJ.
I actually did pretty well even with these changes but I was screwed on at least 3 cash outs and never saw the money. I ended up doing a few chargebacks on my credit cards and bid the play a farewell.
I had expected a Facebook based orgainization to buy the Wizards site, but I guess it never happened.
I'm sure they buyer will be happy with the legitimate site that they've bought.
that particular casino. But neglects to tell you if that casino has been closed in excess of 10 years or not. But lovely maps and photos, just the same.
The casino sucks for gambling. This is how bad, some of the video poker jackpots 2500 instead of 4000.
Anyway I voted 1/2 star out of 5.
Due to my vote, its gone from a 4 1/2 star casino to a 4 star casino.
Sheesh, LCB considers Seminole Hard Rock Tampa casino a 4 star out of 5 place to gamble, Really sad. I did my part to warn those deluded people over there.
And lets keep it that way. Everything that gets touted by popular sites ends up gone.Quote: WizardFor many years, bonus whoring was the most lucrative advantage play out there. I know people who made millions from it, and continue to. Personally, I think I've made from from online casinos bonuses than any other advantage play. It is a topic that has been very overlooked on this site.
I love guys who have the attitude like Terapined's, people like staying in the box.
Even better, guys will say they don't like mindless slots( I hear craps is way better, people make millions in EV because its complicated and can be low HA, don't you know), when in fact slots can be very fun, complicated, intriguing.
People Think you just hit the button. If that's all you know, yes.
When it comes down to it with VP you just hit more buttons, it has an exact strategy that's the same. Sometimes VP is boring repetition, as is BJ. No real thinking because technically you should be playing a predetermined way. The only time that VP changes is when you are thinking differently and applying promotions. Slots can have some strategy and even guesswork involved.
Since It's pretty much gone now, and people now know about it. Here is an example of a slot that took a bit more thinking, but not complicated. Coming soon Vision machine bonuses. With some initial experimenting you got an exact number of spins that it took for the lucrative bonus to trigger. You could look inside the glass and see the coin in coin out meter . Then you could calculate exactly how many more spins it would take. This was worth a nice chunk of change, especially in obscure places with fair denominations and no competition. Slots are for idiots, this is a popular thought process(yes there are some idiot slot players, Tournamentking comes to mind). There are many more examples both past and current.
Their report at LCB highly recommends Resorts in New York without one mention of it being a VLT heaven for assholes that don't know any better or have a clue. Quote: "the absolute ideal place to play for those who love Slots. From penny Slots, to Video Poker, they have it all. - You’ll be so involved with the thousands of games offered at this casino, you won’t have time to sleep! "
I'm a video poker fool and never set a foot in that place, and it's only about 35 minutes from my house. If you're not gonna tell the people how it really is and not give them actual facts or turn a honest site into a Casinomeister on steroids, I'm not interested.
They also promote USA friendly online casinos which regardless how safe they think their research may be, the risks for USA players are endless and not smart.
Not one word about no regulation enforcement which would explain why they need a rogue list hundreds deep. Why not invest the money trying to make online gaming straight up? I could only believe that with the present online environment, this is the best way to go to fill pockets and take advantage of the present conditions and the billions of dollars being generated by un-educated gambling fools. (especially USA fools) I'm very interested who really is backing deals like this.
There has to be a bigger plan for this buy out that not of us vision. Two and a half million dollars for an honest site? I'm sure these people are not fools. Maybe they know something on the horizon about online gaming in the USA.
One thing I could guarantee based on what I saw at that site; I'm certain their not interested in my honest factual reviews. My banning is around the corner.
In fact if they view all my posts / threads already here now I'll be banned today.
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The two sites are under one ownership but may still remain separate in focus.
It is clear that Urban Gambling seems different than Destination Gambling.
Most casinos have an elderly clientele and new gamblers have to come from somewhere and will need information.
The "Blueies" are a vulnerable population. All those gray haired women who have tinted their hair blue to look better in smoke filled, florescent lit slot parlors are not only dying off but they appear to have been lesser in numbers than was thought. Sort of an overfished stock. Oh there are still elderly women playing slots and Bingo but they have less money than before.
Its often that a website in order to get "content" will let casinos write their own reviews for awhile. Seems to be a standard practice.
More gamblers are on the way... the WOO and WOV will educate them and guide them and will also learn from them.
LCB is online casinos directory and bonus comparison website, with one of the biggest gambling forums online.
All our casino reviews are open for commenting and rating. You will notice a star rating next to each casino, which is not
assigned by LCB but it is actually user rating.
We do not censor any ratings nor comments, unless it is an obvious abuse or spam. That is as transparent as it can get.
Same goes for the land based casino section. However this is a relatively new section and it is still undergoing update ( thousands of LB casinos from all over the world ). The reviews are written by our bloggers, content writers and some of our members who live in the area of the XYW land casino.
And probably some our land based reviews are not flawless and for that very reason we have the comment section where you can share your feedback which is highly appreciated, more than welcome and will help us improve our reviews.
We go by our users and their reports.
So any ratings at the LB section are again given by our visitors. Granted there are not that many user ratings at that section atm ( being newish and all ), so some ratings might seem too high, but that will get more even as more users do the rating.
The main goal of LCB is to provide the value for the players and our membership ( over 67,000 users ). Being that we are predominately directed at the online gambling, it is only natural that we have section like Casino Whoring ( being a former bonus hunter myself, although the golden age of blackjack bonus hunting is long over ).
This is why our forum sections are dedicated to a lot of bonus talk. We also provide exclusive deals ( bonuses/promos) for our membership in co-operation with online casinos.
However LCB is much more, as we act as the player guard-dog, working closely with over 150 Casino Representative as the forum and much more behind the scene.
Having this close relationship with casino Reps is instrumental in helping our visitors with their issues and/or complaints and in educating them where and how to gamble online with their hard earned money.
Over the past 7-8 years we have had hundreds of player complaints in regards to various casino issues ( vast majority was indeed concerning non payments unfortunately ), and thanks to our mediation we have collected hundreds of thousands of dollars on behalf of our users.
This service we provide is absolutely free of charge as we consider that as part of our responsibility to help the fellow players. And not because we depend on them, but because it is right thing to do.
And given the blacklist we have and service we provide and the influence we have in the online world, I do believe we do make a difference ( at least to those that we helped and especially to those that we educated ).
Now I can understand some of you have concerns regarding us taking over the site. And I would be too.
However and like i said, we have every intention to stick to the mission of the site, and for that very purpose we wanted to keep the current staff on board and have Mike remain as the content writer and consultant.
cheers
Zuga
Quote: 4ofaKindI'm getting the feeling this site WOV etc. is now going to make Casinomeister look like an Angel. (imagine that)
Their report at LCB highly recommends Resorts in New York without one mention of it being a VLT heaven for assholes that don't know any better or have a clue. Quote: "the absolute ideal place to play for those who love Slots. From penny Slots, to Video Poker, they have it all. - You’ll be so involved with the thousands of games offered at this casino, you won’t have time to sleep! "
I'm a video poker fool and never set a foot in that place, and it's only about 35 minutes from my house. If you're not gonna tell the people how it really is and not give them actual facts or turn a honest site into a Casinomeister on steroids, I'm not interested.
They also promote USA friendly online casinos which regardless how safe they think their research may be, the risks for USA players are endless and not smart.
Not one word about no regulation enforcement which would explain why they need a rogue list hundreds deep. Why not invest the money trying to make online gaming straight up? I could only believe that with the present online environment, this is the best way to go to fill pockets and take advantage of the present conditions and the billions of dollars being generated by un-educated gambling fools. (especially USA fools) I'm very interested who really is backing deals like this.
There has to be a bigger plan for this buy out that not of us vision. Two and a half million dollars for an honest site? I'm sure these people are not fools. Maybe they know something on the horizon about online gaming in the USA.
One thing I could guarantee based on what I saw at that site; I'm certain their not interested in my honest factual reviews. My banning is around the corner.
In fact if they view all my posts / threads already here now I'll be banned today.
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I've got to agree with you, 4ofaKind. I doubt that this site was purchased to continue discussing weight loss challenges, gay bars, swallowing chicken nuggets or hand jobs. We shall see.
Quote: WizardFor many years, bonus whoring was the most lucrative advantage play out there. I know people who made millions from it, and continue to. Personally, I think I've made from from online casinos bonuses than any other advantage play. It is a topic that has been very overlooked on this site.
For 2.5 million I'd drink the cool-aid also. I know you can't truly believe beating bonuses today is a good investment. Bonuses today are designed for the casinos, and if you do beat one then getting past the T&C's and actually getting paid are a couple more things you have to beat.
Look what's going on at the once popular beating bonuses web-site. The only thing good today about getting people to risk their money on bonuses is the affiliates cut who got you to sign up and the casinos. Obviously where this site is heading.
Quote: AxelWolfI'm slightly concerned about some casinos on the site. Correct me if i'm wrong but I think Win a day casino used or uses software or something that is on WoO Blacklist.
The blacklist should be interesting moving forward. No sane person could ever question Mike's honesty and non-biased postings about online casinos.
I'm not saying the new owners WILL be biased and take advertising from less than honest online casinos, but they have 2.3 Million reasons to be a little less concerned about upholding the high standards Mike set.
Odds the current BL stays as is?Quote: BozThe blacklist should be interesting moving forward. No sane person could ever question Mike's honesty and non-biased postings about online casinos.
I'm not saying the new owners WILL be biased and take advertising from less than honest online casinos, but they have 2.3 Million reasons to be a little less concerned about upholding the high standards Mike set.
Quote: AxelWolfOdds the current BL stays as is?
Depends on how you define "stays as is".
Will there be a review of those on the blacklist to see if they deserve de-listing for the right reasons? I would think it would be mandatory.
Is it possible that some of the blacklist is stale, simply for lack of information and updates, and some casinos/software/groups have improved their performance to where they deserve to be taken off the list. I would guess that's easily true, and I would hope that valid on-line casinos would work to improve their services and practices to deserve it.
Will there be a comparison of datasets and past encounters between WoO and LC? Again, I would hope so; the integrity of the blacklist depends on the most accurate ratings and warnings, and it sounds like the new owners have an active grievance dispute process that should inform the WoO database.
So, I would almost certainly wager on the NO.
Except, all the above should already have been happening prior to the sale. And the question should be something like, "Will the standards required for a casino or software platform to stay OFF the blacklist be upheld, or will consideration for advertisers or other corruptive influence degrade the blacklist?" And here, I would wager on the YES, it will be upheld.
WoO is the gold standard of game analysis; it didn't become that by whoring. That standard is, hopefully, what led to the sale at a premium, and why the terms of the sale leave the Wizard in charge of content for years. Mike sold his site; he didn't sell his integrity.
Quote: AxelWolfOdds the current BL stays as is?
Just my opinion without knowing the new owners, but knowing the power of the dollar and human nature, very slim. Again, you dont find people like Mike often.
So hypothetically someone could use this list in many ways, assuming all the goodwill Mike built up with it is thought to still be there by the majority of visitors to the WOO site. You could use it to blacklist your competitors or you could charge people to get off the list. And many other creative ways to generate revenue, as many investors do.
I am NOT saying this will happen, but the options are there for someone with a creative business mind and less ethics than Mike. And we all know the online casino industry isnt filled with good samaritians. But maybe these guys are part of the "good guys" that are out there.
There is absolutely no way the standards could stay the same.Quote: beachbumbabsDepends on how you define "stays as is".
Will there be a review of those on the blacklist to see if they deserve de-listing for the right reasons? I would think it would be mandatory.
Is it possible that some of the blacklist is stale, simply for lack of information and updates, and some casinos/software/groups have improved their performance to where they deserve to be taken off the list. I would guess that's easily true, and I would hope that valid on-line casinos would work to improve their services and practices to deserve it.
Will there be a comparison of datasets and past encounters between WoO and LC? Again, I would hope so; the integrity of the blacklist depends on the most accurate ratings and warnings, and it sounds like the new owners have an active grievance dispute process that should inform the WoO database.
So, I would almost certainly wager on the NO.
Except, all the above should already have been happening prior to the sale. And the question should be something like, "Will the standards required for a casino or software platform to stay OFF the blacklist be upheld, or will consideration for advertisers or other corruptive influence degrade the blacklist?" And here, I would wager on the YES, it will be upheld.
WoO is the gold standard of game analysis; it didn't become that by whoring. That standard is, hopefully, what led to the sale at a premium, and why the terms of the sale leave the Wizard in charge of content for years. Mike sold his site; he didn't sell his integrity.
Im not saying they should remain the same, I believe there are many reputable online casinos but few with the standards Mike set.
Lowering the standards is not necessarily a bad thing. It could open up more opportunity's for some good bets. Sometimes Walmart has a good deal on quality products however, Walmart's standards are almost always sub-par. Sometimes downtown is a better bet than the strip.
Quote: AxelWolfThere is absolutely no way the standards could stay the same.
Im not saying they should remain the same, I believe there are many reputable online casinos but few with the standards Mike set.
Lowering the standards is not necessarily a bad thing. It could open up more opportunity's for some good bets. Sometimes Walmart has a good deal on quality products however, Walmart's standards are almost always sub-par. Sometimes downtown is a better bet than the strip.
I'm being an optimist, though not without reason or precedent. The new owners are an unknown quantity. A worst-case scenario is that they purchased the site precisely for the abuse of the reputation and/or to get someone off the blacklist. But I'm betting on Mike's retaining content control to mean that they intend to conform to his standards and, if necessary, raise their own, though I think they and Mike deserve some initial belief about their reputation as a fair and honorable group.
As Mosca says, You start with Respect, then earn disrespect. How about we all start there, giving both parties the opportunity to live up to Mike's standards.
I myself can't wait to hook up with some great bonuses and make a few million AP'ing online out of the USA. If I get bored doing that I could always head out to the LCB highly recommended VLT terminals at Resorts in Queens, N.Y.
Happy days are here again...
But I don't have purchase debt to cover, so who knows how I would handle it if the need for revenue is strong. We all justify decisions every day.
Quote: Zuga
This service we provide is absolutely free of charge as we consider that as part of our responsibility to help the fellow players. And not because we depend on them, but because it is right thing to do.
cheers
Zuga
If online gaming was straight up, I'm not sure why players would need help in the first place. When I go to seriously regulated land based casinos, I certainly don't need anyone to tell me where to play so if I win I have a good chance of getting paid.
The world needs many more people with this attitude who are prepared to invest 2.5 million dollars and not depend on anyone to get the investment back, but simply because it is the righteous thing to do.
Bless your soul...
Quote: 4ofaKindIf online gaming was straight up, I'm not sure why players would need help in the first place. When I go to seriously regulated land based casinos, I certainly don't need anyone to tell me where to play so if I win I have a good chance of getting paid.
The world needs many more people with this attitude who are prepared to invest 2.5 million dollars and not depend on anyone to get the investment back, but simply because it is the righteous thing to do.
Bless your soul...
When you go to seriously regulated land based casinos, you don't need anyone to tell you how likely they are to actually stand by their promotions? How'd you fare at Revel's You Can't Lose shindig?
What about less than seriously regulated land based casinos? Feel comfortable going to all the native american sheds in rural OK? Don't want anyone advising about which ones may have the most fair games?
You've never read anything here about how Vegas casinos treat APs and used that to plan where to count or holecard or...?
Quote: 4ofaKindIf online gaming was straight up, I'm not sure why players would need help in the first place. When I go to seriously regulated land based casinos, I certainly don't need anyone to tell me where to play so if I win I have a good chance of getting paid.
I tend to agree with your statement to an extent. There are operations that are shady/rogue. But that is just one side/part of the industry, coz there are bunch of great casinos out there as well. And a lot of newbie players do not know where to play and who they can trust. And this is why affiliate websites like ours are instrumental in providing all that info all at one place.
Also this is exactly why players go to us when they need help, coz they do know things get done when we mediate.
Now We provide a service, and value to our visitors. They recognize that and it is why we have huge forum community and why turn to us in case of any issues.
And the way we run our site and community is by mutually sharing the feedback and experience, where our members give their casino ratings and provide comments under our online casino reviews and the forums.
Quote: 4ofaKindThe world needs many more people with this attitude who are prepared to invest 2.5 million dollars and not depend on anyone to get the investment back, but simply because it is the righteous thing to do. Bless your soul...
I am not going to apologize for the success of LCB. I said we do not charge for solving the complaints, but we are an affiliate website.
If you have a problem with online gambling then by all means dont gamble online. No one is forcing you to play, like no one is forcing our members to register through our website.
cheers
Zuga
Quote: ZugaI tend to agree with your statement to an extent. There are operations that are shady/rogue. But that is just one side/part of the industry, coz there are bunch of great casinos out there as well. And a lot of newbie players do not know where to play and who they can trust. And this is why affiliate websites like ours are instrumental in providing all that info all at one place.
Also this is exactly why players go to us when they need help, coz they do know things get done when we mediate.
Now We provide a service, and value to our visitors.
L I am not going to apologize for the success of LCB. I said we do not charge for solving the complaints, but we are an affiliate website.
If you have a problem with online gambling then by all means dont gamble online. No one is forcing you to play, like no one is forcing our members to register through our website.
cheers
Zuga
I noticed you are listed as having joined in May. Is that how long you have been debating this purchase, if you can say?
clicked, downloaded, no deposit and got my 10.00 freeplay due to LCB :-)
started playing.
Played Video poker, craps, pai gow poker, slots, keno.
Got some mild enjoyment.
Video poker was JOB 99.54 which is nice. Pai gow was a little difficult because I like to rearrange my hand low to high before setting and cant do that.
Craps was craps. slots I will never get, especially playing all the different lines, just mindless. Keno is keno.
Actually turned my 10 into 20 due to keno but I don't think its eligible for a cashout.
On the positive, bet a dollar at Pai gow and the comm was a nickel, Bovada min comm is a quarter, even on a 1 buck bet.
Not interested in casino whoring, just too much work and my understanding the golden days of that are pretty much over.
Anyway it was mildly entertaining playing at an online casino but really not for me.
If I am going to play a -EV game, its gonna be at a live land based casino just adds to the fun factor and that's why I gamble, for fun.
I already have a bovada account for poker and sports and that's all I need from the online casino scene.
Don't think I will be spending much time over at LCB
Quote: rdw4potusWhen you go to seriously regulated land based casinos, you don't need anyone to tell you how likely they are to actually stand by their promotions? How'd you fare at Revel's You Can't Lose shindig?
What about less than seriously regulated land based casinos? Feel comfortable going to all the native american sheds in rural OK? Don't want anyone advising about which ones may have the most fair games?
You've never read anything here about how Vegas casinos treat APs and used that to plan where to count or holecard or...?
Fair enough. Now let’s add a few more things to your list when playing online.
No regulation enforcement after launch.
No software programming security by regulators after launch, instead leaving software gaming codes in the hands of the people that want you to bet against them who will regulate themselves.
Illegal for USA banks to deal with these sites.
Bank and processor funds for online casinos serving any USA player seized if feds find them under their disguises.
Ridicules T&C’s worded in ways that could always be twisted for the online casino’s benefit to deny paying winners.
Winnings taking weeks and months of installments to reach USA players.
No legal leg to stand on against any site or regulator that are scattered all over the world from the USA. All you got is some third party mediating for you who's salary comes from the same casino that's trying to screw you.
I could keep going but the list above addresses some of the main concerns when playing online or at least why you shouldn't be playing online from the USA.
Also, you’re not talking to a person that doesn’t have a clue about gaming. What I willingly lost playing online some people couldn’t make in their lifetime, and had a ball doing it. It was after the UIGEA in 2006 that online gaming changed drastically at least for USA players.
I also know and saw with my own eyes rigged software from an online casino owner whose casino was shortly afterwards closed down by the software provider and he disappeared. Obviously, this is why I became an adamant, obnoxious, belligerent, pain in the ass about no online regulation.
Don’t bother asking me to show or prove the rigged software. Instead, prove to me who's making sure it is not rigged. The cheating being done is clever and will never be exposed, except for the obvious idiots that were caught in the past.
In addition, I don’t go to less than seriously regulated land based casinos, or Native American sheds in rural USA. That would be no different then playing online. The Indian casinos I go to are for live poker only. Oh, and one things for sure, I certainly wouldn't be caught alive in a VLT terminal casino, regardless who wants to say how great they are. Those games are regulated to be rigged.
And for the record books you don't have to worry anymore about Revel's promotions ... they went out of business.
Quote: terapinedWell I went back into the website and checked out ranked online casinos and picked the top US online casino, Miami Club Casino.
clicked, downloaded, no deposit and got my 10.00 freeplay due to LCB :-)
started playing.
Played Video poker, craps, pai gow poker, slots, keno.
Does their real money craps offer 0% he hard ways? Their play money does. 10 to 1 for the 6/8 and 8 to 1 for the 4/10.
Quote: mipletDoes their real money craps offer 0% he hard ways? Their play money does. 10 to 1 for the 6/8 and 8 to 1 for the 4/10.
I dont know, didn't play that much craps. I only had 10 bucks freeplay and kind of just wanted to take a tour of the various games.
So I just bopped from game to game just doing a few bets a game.
Quote: 4ofaKindOh, and one things for sure, I certainly wouldn't be caught alive in a VLT terminal casino, regardless who wants to say how great they are. Those games are regulated to be rigged.
For video poker in a NY racino, I agree. But if some slot addict only cared about playing penny slots and nothing else about the surrounding area, I would tell them to go to Resorts World before AC since NY mandates a 90% minimum payback for their VLT machines (highest in the country). And Maryland also calls their gaming machines VLTs, but they offer random video poker (but generally poor) just like a Vegas casino would.
The acronym VLT is not necessarily evil. Depends on the state laws. I will agree that offering VP from a non-random, not equally probable deck is deceiving. I would assume most of the reviews of Resorts World are from purely slot players, who should be generally happy from the place (relatively high payback for slots).
I agree and believe every thing you said.Quote: 4ofaKindFair enough. Now let’s add a few more things to your list when playing online.
No regulation enforcement after launch.
No software programming security by regulators after launch, instead leaving software gaming codes in the hands of the people that want you to bet against them who will regulate themselves.
Illegal for USA banks to deal with these sites.
Bank and processor funds for online casinos serving any USA player seized if feds find them under their disguises.
Ridicules T&C’s worded in ways that could always be twisted for the online casino’s benefit to deny paying winners.
Winnings taking weeks and months of installments to reach USA players.
No legal leg to stand on against any site or regulator that are scattered all over the world from the USA. All you got is some third party mediating for you who's salary comes from the same casino that's trying to screw you.
I could keep going but the list above addresses some of the main concerns when playing online or at least why you shouldn't be playing online from the USA.
Also, you’re not talking to a person that doesn’t have a clue about gaming. What I willingly lost playing online some people couldn’t make in their lifetime, and had a ball doing it. It was after the UIGEA in 2006 that online gaming changed drastically at least for USA players.
I also know and saw with my own eyes rigged software from an online casino owner whose casino was shortly afterwards closed down by the software provider and he disappeared. Obviously, this is why I became an adamant, obnoxious, belligerent, pain in the ass about no online regulation.
Don’t bother asking me to show or prove the rigged software. Instead, prove to me who's making sure it is not rigged. The cheating being done is clever and will never be exposed, except for the obvious idiots that were caught in the past.
In addition, I don’t go to less than seriously regulated land based casinos, or Native American sheds in rural USA. That would be no different then playing online. The Indian casinos I go to are for live poker only. Oh, and one things for sure, I certainly wouldn't be caught alive in a VLT terminal casino, regardless who wants to say how great they are. Those games are regulated to be rigged.
And for the record books you don't have to worry anymore about Revel's promotions ... they went out of business.
However, this does not mean a smart gambler cannot overall overcome all of the drawbacks and have +EV get paid and a great time doing it.
Example: I took part in this promotion here is a good explanation of it. https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/online/4189-the-greatest-bonus-promotion-in-online-gambling-history/2/#post52446/
There is more risk online but there are more opportunities as well. Don't risk more than you can afford, even if you think its a great opportunity, don't put all your eggs in one basket. I don't suggest anyone deposit 10s of thousands online at one casino, I think that's retarded.
Just like the Revel promotion. I think anyone would have been dumb to risk everything they had, thinking they would get it all back. The casino could have closed down 3 weeks later.
Quote: mipletDoes their real money craps offer 0% he hard ways? Their play money does. 10 to 1 for the 6/8 and 8 to 1 for the 4/10.
If the play money and real money odds are different, don't deposit a dime.
I've been making online casino games for over a decade and one of the first requirements lines I write is to ensure that play money and real money games are mathematically identical.
That said, I've reviewed and analyzed many competitors and too many don't follow the ethical path.
They change the math, they tell you it's your lucky day if you get a play money payout and ask you to play for real, etc.
In my eyes, stronger regulatory presence can only shed light on the rogue operators that they can't afford to be seen under.
In the long run, every bad provider hurts my potential income by casting doubt on ALL online casinos.
Play money/ real money /making casino games/testing its all meaningless anything can be built into the back door. No one (excluding some jurisdictions)is regulating online casino for the most part. They are not being checked often enough to verify anything.Quote: Scooter77If the play money and real money odds are different, don't deposit a dime.
I've been making online casino games for over a decade and one of the first requirements lines I write is to ensure that play money and real money games are mathematically identical.
That said, I've reviewed and analyzed many competitors and too many don't follow the ethical path.
They change the math, they tell you it's your lucky day if you get a play money payout and ask you to play for real, etc.
In my eyes, stronger regulatory presence can only shed light on the rogue operators that they can't afford to be seen under.
In the long run, every bad provider hurts my potential income by casting doubt on ALL online casinos.
I'm not saying don't play and you cant win. I'm just saying don't believe for one minute they are Fair RNG's at all times. TBH, I don't care if they are really random or not(unless its a total rip off joint and no one can ever win, ie. Casino Bar) My only real concern is they PAY ME if i do happen to win, and don't give me any BS.
SOMEONE/ANYONE, explain how this slot game can be random. They have this game at some of the most reputable sites. Sites I even recommend.
There are basically three reels but each symbol can function independently as one can be held down while others are spun again.
PLAY THIS GAME AND TELL ME IT'S RANDOM ON THE INITIAL SPIN/DEAL. The short time I played it, it seemed to deify odds and not deal me a winning combination a re-spin payed often(shouldn't they be somewhat the same?) . You could argue I didn't have enough spins. I will argue I don't need to be math wizard to know I didn't need any more spins to know its not spin-dealing it randomly in a way a Video poker machine would or even close. It has to be purposely spin-dealing non winners. I will put money on that, and give 7 to 1.
I would guess you could spin 500 or more spins and never get dealt a winning combination and it seems to have more wild cards and low pay outs then a deuces wild game.
I'm not sure how one could even argue its predetermined, because you can hold all the reels if u wish and get zero back. ow can a pay out be predetermined if you can alter the outcome.
This game especially interested me because it is like a Video poker. As I said It deals you "random"symbols, you can hold them and spin. Big mistakes have to be happening, especially since its not poker cards. Even the average intelligent person would have no clue how to play it even close to optimal. Most people probably don't even know you can old anything and just spin.
I was very interested because I assumed that if the game makers and casinos wanted this game to have the average slot percentage hold on this game, Thinking a bit outside the box i assumed it would have to be set at over 100% pay back or close. Who knows it may be. I may be giving away a good play. I doubt I would ever have the time to investigate it properly. Even if theoretically it was over 100%, I would always wonder if it was totally gaffed
Maybe you can argue that's how its designed(it probably is, but that's deceptive and not in the spirit of a RNG, even on a slot), but that's like saying a VP machine can be set up to never deal you a winning hand, and it has tons of wild cards, Oh well, That's just how it's designed.
PS I WAS SERIOUS ABOUT THE 7 TO 1 BET. I rarely get any real action on stuff I have a good feeling about.
It’s almost impossible to prove a smartly gaffed software program without being able to view all the play that went through it. Of course the gaffed online software exposed and confirmed here at the WOV by Michael and others was ridiculously rigged. If you could expose a gaffed game with as little I think it was less then 20k of play is absurd. That’s just a real stupid greedy operator / programmer.
Technology is so advanced today the un-regulated online options to gaff are endless, without ever being detected.
Land based casinos would kill for a half of a percentage point in their favor. Their blackjack rules are endlessly changing and adding new options, along with all the effort trying to minimize their exposure against counters who also are fighting for that percentage point.
Their (land based) slot machines (based on denomination) all average out in the 90’s rtp. They don’t have to; in fact I think in Vegas they can legally be set as low as 78%. Don’t quote me on that since I’m too lazy to confirm that number but it’s definitely down there. The only reason their set in the 90’s is because at the end of the month the total dropped and held amounts are available via the regulators who are monitoring them. Educated slot players review these numbers all listed on the back pages of magazines like Casino Player, etc. Regular consistent players also would notice the differences when the changes are big. So all the casinos are forced to be competitive or end up like Revel. Don't think for one minute the operators wouldn't prefer to set their slots at the legal lowest possible if they could get away with it.
In fact I read somewhere a study done with slot players and slot machines. They lined up 5 machines with all different rtp settings and gave each player an equal amount of money to play all of them. I think like 95% of them were able to identify the biggest and the second biggest payer.
The point I’m trying to make here is that there is an endless battle between the casinos and the players fighting for a percentage point or two. Online casinos obviously couldn’t gaffe the game to the point of absurdly obvious like the one’s exposed and expect to retain players or not get caught. They’ll have big winners just like land based worthy of pr advertising.
Without a life changing win most everyone are prepared to lose their money in the long run. Mathematically 99% will at table games, and 100% certainly at programmed computer games.
The difference is let’s say a 100K gambling budget would last that person based on their type of play on average 5 years before that person busts out. Now instead with different un-regulated, and un-authorized settings that same 100K only lasts the same player 4 years. (These numbers and outcomes are just an example, so math geniuses please don’t attack me.) Now take those numbers and multiply it by billions and billions of dollars that are changing hands online every year. A single percentage point or two or three makes a huge difference in profits.
All I want confirmed for fact is that I’m losing my money at the right pace which I’m happily and willingly to lose for my personal entertainment. I don’t want anyone holding and controlling the outcomes in their hands not willing to show me what it’s going to cost me to play and take the chance of getting lucky.
This is my opinion when it comes to un-regulated online gaming in general. Not to include all the added risks that come with playing from the USA. As we all know that's a whole other topic that certainly and automatically adds additional percentage points in their favor.
Quote: BozI noticed you are listed as having joined in May. Is that how long you have been debating this purchase, if you can say?
We did get in touch with Mike early this summer, but the main negotiations were done in August/September when Mike and Josh met few times in LA and LasVegas. I met Mike couple of times during this period as well.
They actually have system that encourages to visit and post by dumping chips into an account.
You earn chips for visiting. You earn chips for posting. You earn chips for reviewing.
Those chips can then be redeemed at an online casino.
Hmm, Evenbob could make a killing over there.
I've heard various brags about how many members and posts, well duh, they pay a 10 cent chip a post.
20 cent chip just for a daily visit.
That's what I like about the wiz, he never encouraged gambling, just let everybody know what the odds are.
The LCB website is about trying to get you hooked onto gambling online.
Its almost as if the LCB web page is telling you- you have chips, go gamble on line. (probably hoping you will get hooked and make a deposit which they probably get a kickback)
thanks for your comments,
first off LCB is an affiliate website dedicated to online casinos and online bonuses. So yes of course we have a close relationship with a lot of online operators. Our name is LatestCasinoBonuses after all, and it is self explanatory :)
Also no one is bragging about the community we have, I was simply stating the obvious facts in reply to previous questions.
And those LCB chips you are referring to are part of the loyalty program that was introduced early this year. So no it is not why we have that many members, as LCB was founded back in 2006 and it took us time to build our community.
The LCB shop is merely a rewards program for our loyal members. It is nothing different to land casinos offering comp points.
And we are not trying to hook anyone into anything. Those who come to our website are already online gamblers and looking for an extra incentive in terms of best bonuses and other promotional offers.
We provide information and exclusive deals and no one is forcing you or anyone else to gamble. It is your free choice and your own responsibility to gamble online or not.
Thanx for giving me the chance to explain this in more detail.
Lemme know if u have more Qs.
cheers
Zuga
Quote: AxelWolfPlay money/ real money /making casino games/testing its all meaningless anything can be built into the back door. No one (excluding some jurisdictions)is regulating online casino for the most part. They are not being checked often enough to verify anything.
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Maybe you can argue that's how its designed(it probably is, but that's deceptive and not in the spirit of a RNG, even on a slot), but that's like saying a VP machine can be set up to never deal you a winning hand, and it has tons of wild cards, Oh well, That's just how it's designed.
I do get your point, but I could only reinforce the fact that MY games aren't gaffed and it pains me greatly to know that there are gaffed providers out there that Michael, Eliot, et al HAVEN'T FOUND...YET. I come from brick & mortar casinos where I dealt and supervised for over a decade and it was always pounded into me that I didn't work for the casino OR the player...I worked for the integrity of the GAME so that the casino and player needs would take care of themselves.
A lot of people simply don't get that philosophy and it makes my job extremely difficult at times since my fair and honest games need to go up against competitors who engage us on a not-so-level playing field.
When discussing regulators themselves, we've seen from the Betfair scandal just how dodgy some of them are too. (see Betfair/Portuguese man's bank account scandal for reference) Again, I can only hope the industry shakes itself out over time since I can only control my own output.
I can tell you that every regulated market that we're trying to (or have already) entered insists on having source code, demos, and math evaluations of the actual games' server provided by a third party (usually GLI). Outside of New Jersey, Delaware, Nevada and their licensed providers, you just can't be assured of that...YET in USA-facing online casinos.
Quote: Scooter77I do get your point, but I could only reinforce the fact that MY games aren't gaffed and it pains me greatly to know that there are gaffed providers out there that Michael, Eliot, et al HAVEN'T FOUND...YET. I come from brick & mortar casinos where I dealt and supervised for over a decade and it was always pounded into me that I didn't work for the casino OR the player...I worked for the integrity of the GAME so that the casino and player needs would take care of themselves.
A lot of people simply don't get that philosophy and it makes my job extremely difficult at times since my fair and honest games need to go up against competitors who engage us on a not-so-level playing field.
When discussing regulators themselves, we've seen from the Betfair scandal just how dodgy some of them are too. (see Betfair/Portuguese man's bank account scandal for reference) Again, I can only hope the industry shakes itself out over time since I can only control my own output.
I can tell you that every regulated market that we're trying to (or have already) entered insists on having source code, demos, and math evaluations of the actual games' server provided by a third party (usually GLI). Outside of New Jersey, Delaware, Nevada and their licensed providers, you just can't be assured of that...YET in USA-facing online casinos.
Seems to me that the third-party certification is the thing to look for, whether via GLI or via Certified Fair Gaming (think that's the name) now operated by our own CRMousseau, who was my mathematician on OftM and who I can personally recommend as a guy of knowledge and integrity. It would almost have to shake out that way down the road, especially when (not if IMO) online gaming returns to the US. I think, if that's a primary function of LCB (still learning but seems so) as well, in arbitrating disputes and forcing online gaming to provide a fair experience, they and other sites like them are also a necessary part of the process. The next step, IMO, is for the industry to create a peer group which requires regulation and compliance with fair standards, and to actively "out" those shady providers from within their community - sort of house-cleaning crossed with transparency. (Perhaps this already exists and I don't know it.)
Quote: beachbumbabsSeems to me that the third-party certification is the thing to look for, whether via GLI or via Certified Fair Gaming (think that's the name) now operated by our own CRMousseau, who was my mathematician on OftM and who I can personally recommend as a guy of knowledge and integrity. It would almost have to shake out that way down the road, especially when (not if IMO) online gaming returns to the US. I think, if that's a primary function of LCB (still learning but seems so) as well, in arbitrating disputes and forcing online gaming to provide a fair experience, they and other sites like them are also a necessary part of the process. The next step, IMO, is for the industry to create a peer group which requires regulation and compliance with fair standards, and to actively "out" those shady providers from within their community - sort of house-cleaning crossed with transparency. (Perhaps this already exists and I don't know it.)
The problem is that we, in circular fashion, always come back around to the marketing/affiliate argument where there is a huge potential for two things:
1. conflict of interest (as many have accused or hinted that Bryan Bailey is guilty of as an example)
2. (just like Vegas), marketing people that equate casino games with restaurants/clubs/shopping
They just don't get that increasing margins (i.e higher house edge games), tricky bonuses, after-the-fact win bans based on T&C interpretations (or flat-out unfair terms) do nothing for the integrity of the games and are simply profitable NOW, so they can get their revenue-based bonuses.
Quote: beachbumbabsSeems to me that the third-party certification is the thing to look for, whether via GLI or via Certified Fair Gaming (think that's the name) now operated by our own CRMousseau, who was my mathematician on OftM and who I can personally recommend as a guy of knowledge and integrity. It would almost have to shake out that way down the road, especially when (not if IMO) online gaming returns to the US. I think, if that's a primary function of LCB (still learning but seems so) as well, in arbitrating disputes and forcing online gaming to provide a fair experience, they and other sites like them are also a necessary part of the process. The next step, IMO, is for the industry to create a peer group which requires regulation and compliance with fair standards, and to actively "out" those shady providers from within their community - sort of house-cleaning crossed with transparency. (Perhaps this already exists and I don't know it.)
Perhaps you need to read more of what 4ofakind has said in the past and as been saying and what he went through.
This has been tried, As you put it A Reputable place started out arbitrating disputes and forcing online gaming to provide a fair experiences. Every one starts out wit this vision of integrity and for the players concept. ENTER BIG MONEY Other than Mike, can anyone name any site that started out with that attitude and stuck with it? I have yet to see any successful site not start to side heavily with the casinos.
In this industry, you cant start out expecting trust, you have to earn it. Even then people have earned trust and then let everyone down eventually.
If someone is taking crack everyday, you don't say let's wait and see if they are going to change their behavior and start stealing they haven't yet.
BTW are the mods going to start getting paid or have they already?
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BTW are the mods going to start getting paid or have they already?
Caught Zuga's "my employee" comment earlier and wondered the same thing.
Quote: ZugaWe did get in touch with Mike early this summer, but the main negotiations were done in August/September when Mike and Josh met few times in LA and LasVegas. I met Mike couple of times during this period as well.
Early summer, like June or July, makes more sense for something like this. How does one even begin to evaluate what a web site is worth?
Zuga, I just read the About Us section on your web site and I am very impressed. Your talented team is so young and hip! Not a stuffed shirt in the group. I have no doubt that LCB will soon become a household word. I was going to say best of luck but I get the feeling that you guys make your own luck.
Here's hoping that all our forum members can overcome their apprehension and make a smooth transition to whatever path they choose.
The more I think about it, I'm going to have to say yes.Quote: rdw4potusCaught Zuga's "my employee" comment earlier and wondered the same thing.
Some, if not all of the mods have worked hard for Mike. I cant imagine he negotiated a 2.3 Million dollar deal without thinking of them.
I'm just wondering if they will now be paid by the new owners upon continuing. If so, I imagine its going to get strange around here.
Every move they make, everything they say, is going to be meet with skepticism.
You don't bite the hand that feeds you.
