Absurd Poker Rule @ Rio.
July 11th, 2014 at 2:52:21 PM
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I was in a NL poker game the other night. During a particular hand it was heads me vs some kid. The pot was already a decent size, I pushed all in. It was a tough decision for my opponent. He was thinking longer then normal, all of a sudden he picks up his phone and starts typing.
I'm thinking WTF.
I ask the dealer if he can use his phone during the hand. The dealer said, yes. It looked as if the kid was googleing something. I'm now imagining he is using to help calculate pot odds or something. Finally I just called time on the kid.
I thought for sure the dealer was wrong.
I asked the poker shift manager if someone was allowed to use the internet on there phone during a hand. She said, "yes absolutely" I went one step further and asked if they can use it to calculate pot odds or make decisions. She said, "yes, as long as they are not slowing down the game to much."
Seriously, can this be true?
I'm thinking WTF.
I ask the dealer if he can use his phone during the hand. The dealer said, yes. It looked as if the kid was googleing something. I'm now imagining he is using to help calculate pot odds or something. Finally I just called time on the kid.
I thought for sure the dealer was wrong.
I asked the poker shift manager if someone was allowed to use the internet on there phone during a hand. She said, "yes absolutely" I went one step further and asked if they can use it to calculate pot odds or make decisions. She said, "yes, as long as they are not slowing down the game to much."
Seriously, can this be true?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
July 11th, 2014 at 2:56:40 PM
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I don't play much live poker, but it seems a standard rule you can't use a cell phone at house-banked games. Just yesterday a friend of mine was rebuked for doing this at the Cosmo. It doesn't seem fair that players can use a "device" against against other players but not the house. It also goes against the spirit of poker.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
July 11th, 2014 at 3:19:50 PM
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That's messed up. Using a phone when not in the hand are pretty common any more. But during a hand is outrageous. They have rules about not consulting with a friend or someone railing the table during a hand, it seems the this would fall into that same category. A player shouldn't get outside consultation during a hand he's involved in and information from a device should be included.
July 11th, 2014 at 3:29:16 PM
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What is the law regarding this? I think the original rule was intended for simple communication.Quote: WizardI don't play much live poker, but it seems a standard rule you can't use a cell phone at house-banked games. Just yesterday a friend of mine was rebuked for doing this at the Cosmo. It doesn't seem fair that players can use a "device" against against other players but not the house. It also goes against the spirit of poker.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
July 11th, 2014 at 3:32:01 PM
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I'm pretty sure shouldn't the rule be you must leave the table to use the phone?
July 11th, 2014 at 3:38:05 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfWhat is the law regarding this? I think the original rule was intended for simple communication.
I'm on an attorney, but might the "device" law cover this situation?
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
July 11th, 2014 at 3:40:18 PM
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Over the last five years or so, it has become the norm for the use of 'net enabled (and other communication devices) to be allowed at Las Vegas poker tables. They'd be empty if they were still banned altogether, as they were in some rooms until recent years. But while allowing them at the table generally, I know some also have a house rule that they can't be used while you are in a hand so you'd have to set them aside as soon as you're involved in a pot, while some others don't; and my rough impression having played almost all the 50+ area rooms is you'd find that's about 50:50 among Las Vegas casino poker rooms. Their statement that it would be alright to use it specifically as you describe in your example sounds bizarre to me, but then I don't know how a rule about the content of what you're doing with it could be enforced. Personally I'd be more concerned in a multi-way hand, and/or with multiple people pecking away even after folding, where a team could in theory use it to cheat. I have personally seen a few cases of teams working the old fashioned way, with hand signals. Not recently, and not commonly, but it does exist. But as much as I like to rag on the poker room at Rio (and I do) and any of the poorly staffed indifferently supervised poker rooms in that company (and they are) I gotta tell ya the basic rule of "if you don't slow the game" (without the added hypothetical part) isn't unusual among other local poker rooms. I think the best thing to do about your concern was exactly what you did: ask the dealer, then call the clock, then clarify their house rule with the floor supervisor.
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July 11th, 2014 at 3:46:47 PM
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NRS 465.075 Use or possession of device, software or hardware to obtain advantage at playing game prohibited. It is unlawful for any person to use, possess with the intent to use or assist another person in using or possessing with the intent to use any computerized, electronic, electrical or mechanical device, or any software or hardware, or any combination thereof, which is designed, constructed, altered or programmed to obtain an advantage at playing any game in a licensed gaming establishment or any game that is offered by a licensee or affiliate, including, without limitation, a device that:
1. Projects the outcome of the game;
2. Keeps track of cards played or cards prepared for play in the game;
3. Analyzes the probability of the occurrence of an event relating to the game; or
4. Analyzes the strategy for playing or betting to be used in the game,
Ê except as may be made available as part of an approved game or otherwise permitted by the Commission.
(Added to NRS by 1985, 970; A 2011, 216; 2013, 1317)
1. Projects the outcome of the game;
2. Keeps track of cards played or cards prepared for play in the game;
3. Analyzes the probability of the occurrence of an event relating to the game; or
4. Analyzes the strategy for playing or betting to be used in the game,
Ê except as may be made available as part of an approved game or otherwise permitted by the Commission.
(Added to NRS by 1985, 970; A 2011, 216; 2013, 1317)
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July 11th, 2014 at 3:52:23 PM
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Quote: DRich3. Analyzes the probability of the occurrence of an event relating to the game; or
4. Analyzes the strategy for playing or betting to be used in the game,
Doesn't this mean you can't use a VP app while playing VP?
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July 11th, 2014 at 3:52:40 PM
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I've never heard of that before. I will say in Macau I saw a situation where these two recreational players were playing, husband/wife. The flop comes Axx and the husband goes all in, then the wife says "I better give him some protection." then goes all in. The wife has like 2x the pot, the husband has like half the pot to start the hand, my friend covers handily. My "friend" starts going crazy about cheating, collusion, etc, calls the floor over. While he's doing this his friend is actually sitting next to the wife and texts him "I saw her hand, she has a flush draw." He reads the message, instantly shuts up and ships it. Was pretty shocked by the whole sequence of events. So, uh, yeah, no phone while you're in a hand.
July 11th, 2014 at 3:54:04 PM
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I did bring that up to the shift manager, not that she really knows. But she clearly insisted you could use your phone to assist you. I was so dumbfounded I asked a few other employees, they all said the same thing. I specifically asked what the managers name was but I forgot already. I am going to ask a day shift manager and confirm this is in fact their official policy.Quote: WizardI'm on an attorney, but might the "device" law cover this situation?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
July 11th, 2014 at 3:58:26 PM
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Absolutely and unequivocally not. If you're in the hand, you shouldn't be using your phone at all, and using it to aid you in the hand is inexcusable.
Was this in the Rio poker room or in the WSOP side games?
Was this in the Rio poker room or in the WSOP side games?
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July 11th, 2014 at 3:59:44 PM
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Quote: tongniSo, uh, yeah, no phone while you're in a hand.
That may be your preference, and mine, but to repeat, you will NOT find that to be the standard. And yeah, they are very well aware of chapter and verse of NRS as well as Gaming's Administrative Rules & application of it to them specifically. The long-time "go-to" guy on poker rules for years on this site below happens to be a fellow who is not only very prominent among poker dealers in Southern Nevada, now also supervisor in the largest room in the State, but also an attorney, and it happens that he also doesn't like it, but in multiple conversations on this topic with him, room managers, and some of the most knowledgeable poker room staff in town left no doubt that it IS up to the poker rooms' choice of house rule. Here are the few related threads I happen to have links handy for, but I think there have been at least a few dozen on this topic over the last half decade:
http://www.pokeratlas.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=75&t=20761&sid=724ebb1359d6ffd34a9ec48404053c13
http://www.pokeratlas.com/search?q=cell+phone+during+hand
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July 11th, 2014 at 4:06:33 PM
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Id say it violates OPTAH. The internet is essentially a person.
July 11th, 2014 at 4:07:16 PM
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
July 11th, 2014 at 4:07:50 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfI did bring that up to the shift manager, not that she really knows. But she clearly insisted you could use your phone to assist you. I was so dumbfounded I asked a few other employees, they all said the same thing. I specifically asked what the managers name was but I forgot already. I am going to ask a day shift manager and confirm this is in fact their official policy.
You could always have called gaming if you felt that the law was being violated.
Having said that, the law says that you can't use the device to help you, not that you can't use the device. The guy could claim that he was just texting his wife telling her to pick up milk or something. Can you prove otherwise?
July 11th, 2014 at 4:27:20 PM
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Methinks folks are getting way far over their skis here with what they THINK it OUGHT to be or FEEL it is SUPPOSED to mean.
If you doubt this, try calling them to ask. Here's one: Aria poker room (702) 590-7230; and another: Wynn poker room (702) 770-7654; and another Venetian poker room: (702) 414-7657. And that comprises 3 of the 4 biggest rooms in Nevada, together amounting to more than 60% of the total volume of poker on the Las Vegas Strip.
I'm not attempting to argue merits, just what most definitely IS if you get around to local poker rooms.
The largest (and widely regarded as best) rooms with the most games and highest stakes now provide outlets at the table so you don't have to run your battery down, and installed poker-room specific wifi networks some time ago.Quote: DRichNRS 465.075
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Ê except as may be made available as part of an approved game or otherwise permitted by the Commission.
If you doubt this, try calling them to ask. Here's one: Aria poker room (702) 590-7230; and another: Wynn poker room (702) 770-7654; and another Venetian poker room: (702) 414-7657. And that comprises 3 of the 4 biggest rooms in Nevada, together amounting to more than 60% of the total volume of poker on the Las Vegas Strip.
I'm not attempting to argue merits, just what most definitely IS if you get around to local poker rooms.
Yes indeed. And, it would not be the first time, or the second, or the third, or the tenth time about this specific question. But if one feels they know both the law and administrative rules that apply to Nevada poker rooms in this matter better, or you just want to be really sure about what you're told because it feels very wrong to you, than by all means, do go for it. And, you can even make that call to Gaming Enforcement from your seat at the poker table without missing a blind! NGE Las Vegas division - Phone: (702) 486-2020Quote: AxiomOfChoiceYou could always have called gaming if you felt that the law was being violated.
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July 11th, 2014 at 4:28:57 PM
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Quote: NareedDoesn't this mean you can't use a VP app while playing VP?
Yes it does.
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July 11th, 2014 at 4:33:24 PM
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Quote: DRichYes it does.
(Cue ominous music)
So much for my idea of carrying strategies for several games on my tablet next trip.
But you can use a strategy printed on paper.
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July 11th, 2014 at 4:42:07 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfShe said, "yes, as long as they are not slowing down the game too much."
obv he was slowing down the game.
I personally have seen Andy Bloch playing on Full Tilt on a tablet, whilst seated at the WSOP some years ago. lol as if playing in the main event was boring him enough that he had to keep busy playing online at the same time.
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July 11th, 2014 at 4:51:57 PM
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Yeah, I can think of at least half a dozen (less prominent folk than Andy Block & the WSOP) I know of who've joked about being degenerates because they've done that, except they aren't really joking. And they include some staff of poker rooms that we both would know.
And greetings to ya, Zip.
And greetings to ya, Zip.
Quote: zippyboyobv he was slowing down the game.
I personally have seen Andy Bloch playing on Full Tilt on a tablet, whilst seated at the WSOP some years ago. lol as if playing in the main event was boring him enough that he had to keep busy playing online at the same time.
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July 11th, 2014 at 5:02:45 PM
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I have that same concern. And I could go on at some length about why I believe it isn't just a hypothetical concern, but that'd totally derail the thread as I got into chapter & verse about what my former neighbor was up to. Not hard to imagine. He rigged ways he actually colluded with himself online.Quote: IbeatyouracesIt's reasons like these as to why I won't gamble online. Especially poker!
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July 11th, 2014 at 5:23:03 PM
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Yeah, many poker rooms provide electric strips on the underside of the tables so you can charge your device. But I would think that that's so you can keep charged, and use the device when you're not in a hand.
Many poker rooms will disqualify a bad beat hand if any player, even those out of the hand, are using a device.
Define "too much".
I think the answer is going to be that you have to call the clock.
Many poker rooms will disqualify a bad beat hand if any player, even those out of the hand, are using a device.
Quote: AxelWolfShe said, "yes, as long as they are not slowing down the game to much."
Define "too much".
I think the answer is going to be that you have to call the clock.
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July 11th, 2014 at 5:31:25 PM
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You might choose to think that. And there are gradations here: such as 'at the table' vs. 'in a hand.' And to muddle it further, there are rooms that choose to have a more restrictive rule for tournament play than for cash games. But reality is you will in fact find that it is common, not universal at all but definitely common, for "don't slow the game" to be the rule, including large high-end rooms. If you want to know, you have to ask at the specific room you are playing, even sometimes within the same company. (BTW, Rio is NOT a 'large high end room' at all outside of the WSOP.)Quote: DJTeddyBearYeah, many poker rooms provide electric strips on the underside of the tables so you can charge your device. But I would think that that's so you can keep charged, and use the device when you're not in a hand.
Many poker rooms will disqualify a bad beat hand if any player, even those out of the hand, are using a device.
Define "too much".
I think the answer is going to be that you have to call the clock.
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July 11th, 2014 at 5:53:39 PM
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If you have not been cheated in online poker, then you have NEVER played poker online.
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
July 11th, 2014 at 6:41:40 PM
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I hate to say it, but I see this all the time: players on their cell phones looking at apps to figure their poker odds. There are even apps where you can enter your hole cards, what the board shows, how many other players in the hand, and it tells you your chances of winning the pot.
I've seen players in hands using their phones -- whether or not they are using this app I don't know.
I don't like it.
The rule at many poker casinos in the LA area is that texting on a phone is okay always and even in tournaments. You can talk on a cell phone in a cash game. You cannot talk on a cell phone in a tournament. I didn't make the rules -- that's just what the rules are at several of the big casinos here.
Personally I think the rule should be: No phones at any time at the table. If you want to use your phone get up from the table. If you are in a hand you cannot get up from the table to use your phone.
I've seen players in hands using their phones -- whether or not they are using this app I don't know.
I don't like it.
The rule at many poker casinos in the LA area is that texting on a phone is okay always and even in tournaments. You can talk on a cell phone in a cash game. You cannot talk on a cell phone in a tournament. I didn't make the rules -- that's just what the rules are at several of the big casinos here.
Personally I think the rule should be: No phones at any time at the table. If you want to use your phone get up from the table. If you are in a hand you cannot get up from the table to use your phone.
July 11th, 2014 at 7:06:43 PM
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That applies to all "house rules." I.E. Forward motion, betting line, whether a partial undeclared raise is a call or a min raise, etc. They can all be different for cash vs tourney even in the same poker room.Quote: DrawingDeadAnd to muddle it further, there are rooms that choose to have a more restrictive rule for tournament play than for cash games.
P.S. ...Quote: DJTeddyBearDefine "too much".Quote: AxelWolfShe said, "yes, as long as they are not slowing down the game to much."
I don't use my phone while in a hand. If my phone rings when I'm in a hand, and it's not my wife, I'll ignore it. Otherwise, I'll answer it and without saying 'Hello', I say "I'm in a hand. Gimme a minute." Then, without waiting for a reply, I put the phone down until the hand is over. I've never gotten a comment about that. Therefore, I gotta think that anything longer than that would be "too much."
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July 11th, 2014 at 7:07:14 PM
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Is it really that important to know the EXACT odds, that you need to consult a computer?
I mean when I play I liked to know whether I had a 1/2 or 1/3 chance of making the hand, or 8/48 of drawing the straight. But after all the years of play you would have a rough figure in your head. And whats the difference between a 34.5% and a 41.25% chance anyway?
If you are playing BJ, then that 2% makes a HUGE difference, but in poker, the human factor out weights it completely.
I mean when I play I liked to know whether I had a 1/2 or 1/3 chance of making the hand, or 8/48 of drawing the straight. But after all the years of play you would have a rough figure in your head. And whats the difference between a 34.5% and a 41.25% chance anyway?
If you are playing BJ, then that 2% makes a HUGE difference, but in poker, the human factor out weights it completely.
July 11th, 2014 at 7:15:01 PM
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One of the reasons I dislike no-limit. Other players move so agonizingly slow.
July 11th, 2014 at 8:16:59 PM
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This goes to show you how casino makes their rules.
Playing against other people? Sure, use anything you want.
Playing against the house? (blackjack) Sorry nothing is allowed
Playing against other people? Sure, use anything you want.
Playing against the house? (blackjack) Sorry nothing is allowed
July 11th, 2014 at 8:28:31 PM
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I would love to carry around a cell phone scrambler with me at all times so nobody can text/call anyone in a hand.
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July 11th, 2014 at 8:34:28 PM
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Quote: BatMannThis goes to show you how casino makes their rules.
Playing against other people? Sure, use anything you want.
Playing against the house? (blackjack) Sorry nothing is allowed
Just to clarify, you are "not allowed" to enter the cards dealt into your phone while playing blackjack? What about someone standing behind you?
Our craps expert and former professional player, Ahigh, once showed us a mickey mouse record keeper of dice results and says he was ejected from said casino due to having it. In Baccarat of course you can chart anything you wish, same with roulette.
July 11th, 2014 at 8:35:00 PM
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Quote: zippyboyobv he was slowing down the game.
I personally have seen Andy Bloch playing on Full Tilt on a tablet, whilst seated at the WSOP some years ago. lol as if playing in the main event was boring him enough that he had to keep busy playing online at the same time.
But was he playing on full tilt while activitely in the hand? On your phone while in a hand is way different than while folded. Last poker session, I played some Words with Friends with my mother between hands since Missouri revoked their all electronic devices banned at all times rule because poker players younger than me complained about it.
July 11th, 2014 at 8:42:27 PM
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I wonder how loud I would be shouting one player to a hand before the house got involved. He is texting or talking to Phil Ivey as far as I know. I would got very loud very quickly get extremely loud and you know see what happens.
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
July 11th, 2014 at 9:56:09 PM
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Then you should plan to get very hoarse playing in many Las Vegas poker rooms. Here's another possible option: don't choose to play in one of the many rooms where this is permitted if you don't care for this rule and feel that strongly about it, and instead play in one of the others, about equal in number, where it is not the rule to permit it during the hand. If it is important to you, ask. If you don't know, doing exactly what the OP did is sensible and appropriate. Screaming because you don't like the fact that other people are doing what they rightly expect to do according to the VERY WIDELY KNOWN AND UNDERSTOOD RULE WHICH IS COMMON IN POKER ROOMS including the one you happen to have chosen to play in without familiarity with the applicable rule there... ehh, not so much. Or, you could even go out of your way to seek out the roughly half of all places that do the opposite of what you want among the 50+ Las Vegas area rooms and expect everyone to change their behavior to suit you, including those who own the place and those who regularly play there and DO actually know the rules that are in force, and are following them, and then scream at them because you "know" they are all wrong. And when someone is frog marched out as the douchebag-of-the-day for that childish behavior I get to enthusiastically applaud that event along with everybody else, and I do mean it will be EVERYONE applauding, oh yes it will in a poker room, even though it isn't a rule I happen to care for that they choose to scream and disrupt our game over and may be a rule some others happily applauding the well deserved and necessary frog-march might not particularly prefer either. It is important in poker that the game be run by a neutral party with no financial stake in the outcome of the hand. That has to be people wearing nametags, not random people in the player seats anointing themselves as they see fit, or there can be no game for anyone.
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July 11th, 2014 at 10:29:56 PM
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My money in the pot and you think I am gonna sit there while he texts someone for advice. No way !
How do.I know he is not ? After I am 86 if it comes to that, and it might, gaming will get a call. I do not have to sit there and be cheated.
Sometimes being civil is just bullshit.
How do.I know he is not ? After I am 86 if it comes to that, and it might, gaming will get a call. I do not have to sit there and be cheated.
Sometimes being civil is just bullshit.
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
July 11th, 2014 at 10:50:49 PM
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Will you become similarly agitated when a device output is in audio form, say through earbuds? Stock up on those throat lozenges, or find a different hobby.Quote: BuzzardMy money in the pot and you think I am gonna sit there while he texts someone for advice. No way !
How do.I know he is not ? After I am 86 if it comes to that, and it might, gaming will get a call. I do not have to sit there and be cheated.
Sometimes being civil is just bullshit.
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July 11th, 2014 at 10:56:58 PM
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Quote: DrawingDeadWill you become similarly agitated when a device output is in audio form, say through earbuds? Stock up on those throat lozenges, or find a different hobby.
Letting anyone get any outside help in determining a decision in a hand is not allowed. It would not be fair for the person who is waiting for a call/raise/fold from another who has a buddy on the phone running odds, etc.
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July 11th, 2014 at 11:25:00 PM
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Correct. And this does not at all equal "how do I know that someone isn't..." Use of audio output from electronic devices, amounting to another fancy way of saying listening to music while playing, is nearly universal at poker tables and has been for quite a long while now. "How do I know someone isn't...?" Oh joy.Quote: djatcLetting anyone get any outside help in determining a decision in a hand is not allowed.
Cheating does sometimes happen in some form, likely not very often but sometimes, and people who are experienced players do not generally choose this as one of their first targets to get most concerned about. Not that I'm trying to dismiss the possibility, I've said I personally prefer a "not while in the hand" rule. But I do know of a couple of teams that were actually colluding, or trying to (most teams are not very good), including at some tables where I was playing, and this kind of thing wasn't a method they chose as practical before they eventually got identified and booted. I think probably for good reason they didn't try this, because I think it isn't nearly as good for them as the simple old fashioned methods that the folks most exercised about phones would probably be the most oblivious to.
Regardless of whether you agree with my view on that or not, audio output connected to a device (generally comprised of music from your phone to your earbuds) is something that's going to continue to be allowed pretty much everywhere poker is played regardless of your status during a hand at least in Las Vegas, so the task is to decide what is the sensible way you want to accept and deal with that simple fact, because it is a fact that sure isn't going anywhere.
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July 11th, 2014 at 11:30:55 PM
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Axel, Did you win the pot? I assume you did, who had what?
July 12th, 2014 at 3:37:36 AM
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He folded so I don't know what he had.Quote: rainmanAxel, Did you win the pot? I assume you did, who had what?
I'm not going to bitch and complain about this. I just want to know the law regarding this. I was absolutely shocked at the answer I got when I specifically asked about the use of a phone to get poker odds. If its legal and casino allowed, perhaps I will join the movement and deliberately do it to prove my point. I'll find a way to use it to my advantage. If people start using there phones to calculate odds and help them play poker, I doubt this rule will last long.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
July 12th, 2014 at 9:16:41 AM
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Another case of management in poker rooms catering to the in crowd. Is this HOUSE rule displayed as publication information or available upon request ? As for knowing whether he is texting for advice or not, I have to assume he is until proven otherwise.
Enough cheating going on as it is.
Of course be a reasonable man, I would be receptive to looking at his tablet or cell phone will he does it. Might even whisper something in his ear as I did.
All above comments are for texting while in a hand. Yeah, 86 is an option. Lots of other rooms to play in. Sure would be careful to NOT knock any stacks over, but you know sometimes I am clumsy lol
Enough cheating going on as it is.
Of course be a reasonable man, I would be receptive to looking at his tablet or cell phone will he does it. Might even whisper something in his ear as I did.
All above comments are for texting while in a hand. Yeah, 86 is an option. Lots of other rooms to play in. Sure would be careful to NOT knock any stacks over, but you know sometimes I am clumsy lol
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
