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AceCrAAckers
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May 26th, 2014 at 9:39:43 AM permalink
I went to a casino about having them try a new game. When the DTR asked if I have any live data, I replied that one if the casino that wanted it did not have the clients for this side bet to be practical. It was in Harrington DE and baccarat was only opened on weekend and only when one big player came in and asked it be opened.

I stated that baccarat is an Asian game and followed it by saying that blacks like craps. When I mention "blacks" she walked away saying that she disagreed.

I am thinking of keeping my observation to myself but wtf, Macau has 90% baccarat tables. Craps tables are full of blacks because they like rolling the dice.
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May 26th, 2014 at 9:45:47 AM permalink
While your observation may or may not be correct, it certainly is not a racist statement. There are some who want to inject the "racist" tag in everything; you can't waste your time paying attention to them. The demographics of a product do matter and should be considered in placement of the product.

Just like those trying to say Mark Cuban is racist for saying that he exercises care in where he walks at certain times, people will try to label others as racist when they really just have no worthwhile input.
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May 26th, 2014 at 9:49:13 AM permalink
You forgot I'm a bigot in the poll! Lol

As for this, meh, I think you're mostly pointing out the preferences in the games by race. It would have sounded better if you said, "more Asians play baccarat and more blacks play craps".
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May 26th, 2014 at 9:49:18 AM permalink
If you are a member of any specially protected group, no. If you look like me, yes. If the answer is yes, I would recommend a life time suspension of any perceived 1st amendment right.
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May 26th, 2014 at 10:10:43 AM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

You forgot I'm a bigot in the poll! Lol

As for this, meh, I think you're mostly pointing out the preferences in the games by race. It would have sounded better if you said, "more Asians play baccarat and more blacks play craps".



this is probably the first time that I am a bigot should be included and it is not. sigh..
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May 26th, 2014 at 10:11:55 AM permalink
Quote: Sabretom2

If you are a member of any specially protected group, no. If you look like me, yes. If the answer is yes, I would recommend a life time suspension of any perceived 1st amendment right.



I am not sure I fully understand what you mean. Do you mean if you are a minority then you are able to make racists comments?
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May 26th, 2014 at 10:22:15 AM permalink
Was gonna give you the benefit of the doubt. but then "racquetball" is you favorite sport ! How many blacks at the
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May 26th, 2014 at 10:24:08 AM permalink
Quote: GWAE

I am not sure I fully understand what you mean. Do you mean if you are a minority then you are able to make racists comments?



That's exactly what I mean. How could you not understand?
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May 26th, 2014 at 10:27:58 AM permalink
Because it's not true, that's why !

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/frenzy/jackson.htm
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May 26th, 2014 at 10:50:03 AM permalink
Quote: AceCrAAckers

I stated that baccarat is an Asian game and followed it by saying that blacks like craps. When I mention "blacks" she walked away saying that she disagreed.

I am thinking of keeping my observation to myself but wtf, Macau has 90% baccarat tables. Craps tables are full of blacks because they like rolling the dice.



When you are selling something you have to be careful about anything possibly controversial. You probably can't win bringing up a subject like that ... it's kind of obvious anyway. Now you've got this woman leery.

That statement is not racist. It could be construed as bigoted. There's a difference. The bigotry would be in the category of "Blinkered, narrow-mindedness, usually also very intolerant ..." The lady maybe thought she was getting whiff of that [rightly or not]

http://www.differencebetween.info/difference-between-bigot-and-racist
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May 26th, 2014 at 10:52:15 AM permalink
Quote: AceCrAAckers

Craps tables are full of blacks because they like rolling the dice.



You assume that skin color allows you tell certain characteristics of a person, like, in this case, fondness for rolling the dice. That, by definition, is racist.

Non racist statements: I have observed that the average percentage of Black people at a craps table is higher than the average percentage of Black people playing other casino games. In an unrelated note, I assume that the appeal of craps to the players stems from the fun of rolling the dice.

Also, when you say Asian, do you mean
- tourists from Asia (=not racist)
- players that you assume are from Asia because of certain facial features (=racist)
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May 26th, 2014 at 10:55:39 AM permalink
https://www.google.com/search?q=craps+people+playing&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=Nn-DU5vkBNWTqAa_64Fo&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ&biw=1600&bih=734
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May 26th, 2014 at 11:00:48 AM permalink
Quote: Canyonero

You assume that skin color allows you tell certain characteristics of a person, like, in this case, fondness for rolling the dice. That, by definition, is racist.

Non racist statements: I have observed that the average percentage of Black people at a craps table is higher than the average percentage of Black people playing other casino games. In an unrelated note, I assume that the appeal of craps to the players stems from the fun of rolling the dice.

Also, when you say Asian, do you mean
- tourists from Asia (=not racist)
- players that you assume are from Asia because of certain facial features (=racist)



Black people love throwing the dice. I don't understand the whole snapping of the fingers though after the toss.
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May 26th, 2014 at 11:01:13 AM permalink
You may be a racist if you know the answer to this riddle.

What has one eye and comes in a white box ?

Clue: It is not Frank Sinatra .
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May 26th, 2014 at 11:09:50 AM permalink
Whatever you did say seemed to have no purpose. It sounds stupid to me to take risk offending for no reason.
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May 26th, 2014 at 11:09:51 AM permalink
Quote: Canyonero

That, by definition, is racist.



Bigoted. To be racist, the person would believe his race to be superior to the characteristics assumed.

If the person is making a valid generalization that he realizes does not transfer necessarily to any individual, then he is guilty of nothing but is vulnerable to all sorts of assumptions by sticking his neck out.
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May 26th, 2014 at 11:13:05 AM permalink
Funny.
As an adult white working atheist heterosexual male, I am part of that minority who is not protected at all. On the contrary, most protection (or politically correctness) rules are, implicitly, judging that I am part of some supremacist conspiracy, and the others have to be protected against me and my similars.

Yet, in my life, I have never felt that I wielded such power... On the contrary, we have become the punching-ball of every human-rights group.

It is time that we receive some protection !
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May 26th, 2014 at 11:13:27 AM permalink
Quote: Canyonero

You assume that skin color allows you tell certain characteristics of a person, like, in this case, fondness for rolling the dice. That, by definition, is racist.

Non racist statements: I have observed that the average percentage of Black people at a craps table is higher than the average percentage of Black people playing other casino games. In an unrelated note, I assume that the appeal of craps to the players stems from the fun of rolling the dice.

Also, when you say Asian, do you mean
- tourists from Asia (=not racist)
- players that you assume are from Asia because of certain facial features (=racist)



Well a lot of people say that Asians love baccarat and nobody calls it racist.
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May 26th, 2014 at 11:14:57 AM permalink
Quote: Swanson234

Well a lot of people say that Asians love baccarat, and nobody calls it racist.



Racist isn't the right word. I think "stereotyping" is. Not all Asians love baccarat.
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May 26th, 2014 at 11:16:12 AM permalink
Quote: Canyonero

- players that you assume are from Asia because of certain facial features (=racist)



The term "Asian" usually refers to ethnicity, not residence.
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May 26th, 2014 at 11:17:56 AM permalink
My first post on the forum I said I won on baccarat by following the asian guy. Some say that was racist. U know what I say? Uh no its just the truth. I followed an asian man and won
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May 26th, 2014 at 11:19:30 AM permalink
Quote: richbailey86

My first post on the forum I said I won on baccarat by following the asian guy. Some say that was racist. U know what I say? Uh no its just the truth. I followed an asian man and won



I think most people said it was stupid, not racist.
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May 26th, 2014 at 11:19:50 AM permalink
Quote: AxiomOfChoice

I think most people said it was stupid, not racist.



Eh. Either way
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May 26th, 2014 at 11:22:29 AM permalink
I don't think blacks should be offended by this stereotype. Craps is one of the better games (unless you play the longshot bets) . I'd be really insulted if my race was stereotyped as a bunch of slot or keno players.
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May 26th, 2014 at 11:23:06 AM permalink
OP : no it wasn't racist. If its true its true. However in todays America with liberal idiots running around stating a fact can get u called a racist.
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May 26th, 2014 at 11:24:06 AM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

Bigoted. To be racist, the person would believe his race to be superior to the characteristics assumed.



Now that is interesting - Wikipedia agrees with you. The English version that is. In German language, the supremacy part is not a neccessary requirement for "Rassismus", which is the translation of "racism" - or is it? There is a similar word to bigotry as well - "Bigotterie" - but it actually means hypocrisy.

It seems to me that "Rassismus" = "bigotry" AND / OR "racism". Since this is an English forum, I withdraw my earlier statement.
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May 26th, 2014 at 11:26:20 AM permalink
never a cop around when you need one.

Oh, well byebye kubikulann
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May 26th, 2014 at 11:32:25 AM permalink
Quote: Buzzard

never a cop around when you need one.

Oh, well byebye kubikulann

:-)

Just a way to remind that "Black" and "Asian" are not slurs.
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May 26th, 2014 at 11:36:32 AM permalink
Quote: kubikulann

:-)

Just a way to remind that "Black" and "Asian" are not slurs.



Isn't it kinda weird to see someone post that has a suspension coming? I keep thinking "How much longer does he have?"
Anyway, don't be sad kubi, I hope it is gonna be three days only!
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May 26th, 2014 at 11:41:22 AM permalink
Well, I have a life outside this forum, don't worry.

It is an interesting experiment for me, to gauge how many people are truly shocked, and how many get the tongue-in-cheek concept.
My bet is that the politically correct bunch is a majority, at least on your side of the Atlantic.
Let's see.
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May 26th, 2014 at 12:27:28 PM permalink
On your voting options (and getting back to the thread's topic in vain), you left out

[] racist, yes, but not hurtfully racist, so no apology.

Not many will agree, but consider:

1. Racism is operating on the basis of race, or thinking of a subject "in terms of race" - or the application of race to something not inherently racist (like a gambling table)
2. Often racist sentiments are of a derogatory or malicious "down-putting" nature, but;
3. Sometimes, it is NOT of a malicious nature, but simply assuming that race may be involved or related to its appeal, as a "non-malicious association" involving race. Nothing derogatory about a table game preference (aside from the Big-6 wheel.)

Baccarat is openly considered an Asian game because of its popularity and patronage with a particular demographic. Pai Gow Poker (which is an American-invented game), deliberately incorporates an Asian spin to it, although it is seldom seen outside of the U.S.

Craps is considered a "black" game because historically blacks ALSO played it (as did whites), in comparison to poker, which was considered a "good old boy" game for decades, prominently played mainly by whites, prior to Phil Ivey.

Golf was considered "white" prior to Tiger Woods.
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May 26th, 2014 at 12:29:24 PM permalink
Quote: Buzzard

never a cop around when you need one.

Oh, well byebye kubikulann



Beat cops are generally low IQ detective school dropouts taking it out on whoever they run across.
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May 26th, 2014 at 12:32:45 PM permalink
Another way of defining a racist remark

1. It's about race.
2. It's too general to be held factually correct. Or in worst case scenarios, it is not true at all. And it usually is a negative rather than a positive attribute.
You could say blacks enjoy fried chicken more than anyone. Or Asians are great at doing laundry. Those are racial stereotypes and should be avoided.

Blacks can't be quarterbacks. ( negative. Too general. Not true. About race.)

And that's been said before.
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May 26th, 2014 at 12:38:15 PM permalink
Quote: Sabretom2

That's exactly what I mean. How could you not understand?



maybe I can not understand because you don't have a picture of you on this post. Or maybe I am just not as intelligent as you.

I think your comment is what is wrong with racist comments. African americans can rap using racist terms and they can call each other the N word but as soon as a white guy says it then there is anarchy to pursue.

I have seen the same person use the N word and then get fired up over someone using it. The hypocrisy that is involved with this whole situation is overwhelming.
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May 26th, 2014 at 1:45:13 PM permalink
Quote: kubikulann

Well, I have a life outside this forum, don't worry.

It is an interesting experiment for me, to gauge how many people are truly shocked, and how many get the tongue-in-cheek concept.
My bet is that the politically correct bunch is a majority, at least on your side of the Atlantic.
Let's see.

Bet you wouldn't say that in public without looking over your shoulder first.
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May 26th, 2014 at 5:09:20 PM permalink
Quote: richbailey86

My first post on the forum I said I won on baccarat by following the asian guy. Some say that was racist. U know what I say? Uh no its just the truth. I followed an asian man and won



Ya I'm still waiting on that 50% on your wins.
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May 26th, 2014 at 5:15:21 PM permalink
Quote: djatc

Ya I'm still waiting on that 50% on your wins.



Lets go play. Lol
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May 26th, 2014 at 5:27:50 PM permalink
Quote: FinsRule

Racist isn't the right word. I think "stereotyping" is. Not all Asians love baccarat.

Name one.
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May 26th, 2014 at 6:44:38 PM permalink
how about this one, is this racist???

i was kicked off of a sports forum board when the subject of tiger woods came up and comparisons were made to the golfers of the 1960's..i stated that in the 60's the only way he gets on the course is as a caddy.
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May 26th, 2014 at 6:47:35 PM permalink
Quote: ontariodealer

how about this one, is this racist???

i was kicked off of a sports forum board when the subject of tiger woods came up and comparisons were made to the golfers of the 1960's..i stated that in the 60's the only way he gets on the course is as a caddy.



I don't see how a true statement could be racist but the underlying reasoning behind it is.
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May 27th, 2014 at 1:18:58 AM permalink
Quote: ontariodealer

how about this one, is this racist???

i was kicked off of a sports forum board when the subject of tiger woods came up and comparisons were made to the golfers of the 1960's..i stated that in the 60's the only way he gets on the course is as a caddy.


Maybe Lee Elder moderated the forum?
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May 27th, 2014 at 5:36:22 AM permalink
I don't think the statement in itself was racist.

But anytime you refer a group of people as "blacks" it just doesn't sound good. It's not racist, maybe just slightly ignorant.
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May 27th, 2014 at 8:40:45 AM permalink
craps? blacks? racist? BAH THEY LOVE IT!!!

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May 27th, 2014 at 9:18:47 AM permalink
Quote: ams288

I don't think the statement in itself was racist.

But anytime you refer a group of people as "blacks" it just doesn't sound good. It's not racist, maybe just slightly ignorant.



Not so fast...a Gallup poll as recently as 2007 showed that 24% preferred "African-American" and 13% preferred "Black"...while 61% said that it did not matter. The vast majority appear not to feel that calling them "blacks" is "ignorant".
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May 27th, 2014 at 10:10:18 AM permalink
Quote: RonC

Not so fast...a Gallup poll as recently as 2007 showed that 24% preferred "African-American" and 13% preferred "Black"...while 61% said that it did not matter. The vast majority appear not to feel that calling them "blacks" is "ignorant".



A Gallup poll of who?

What does that have to do with his statement about blacks liking craps?

Get Gallup to sponsor a poll asking whether his statement was racist, ignorant, or none of the above, then you'll have a valid point.
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May 27th, 2014 at 12:04:56 PM permalink
Quote: ams288

A Gallup poll of who?

What does that have to do with his statement about blacks liking craps?

Get Gallup to sponsor a poll asking whether his statement was racist, ignorant, or none of the above, then you'll have a valid point.



I don't need to do that to have a "valid point"--I have one, thank you...no need for your validation at all. If you thought the point was invalid, you could have looked up the poll and argued against it if you felt the data was incorrect.

"Gallup has, since the time of Smith's article, asked random samples of black Americans on a number of different occasions about their preferred terminology, using question wording that includes the explicit "doesn't matter" alternative.

Some people say the term "African-American" should be used instead of the word "black." Which term do you prefer -- "African-American" or "black," or does it not matter to you either way?"

http://www.gallup.com/poll/28816/black-african-american.aspx

Anyone can call anything they want "racist" but simply stating that one group likes one game does not meet any realistic definition of racism:

racism or racialism (ˈreɪsɪzəm, ˈreɪʃəˌlɪzəm)

— n
1. the belief that races have distinctive cultural characteristics determined by hereditary factors and that this endows some races with an intrinsic superiority over others
2. abusive or aggressive behaviour towards members of another race on the basis of such a belief

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racist

rac·ism
noun \ˈrā-ˌsi-zəm also -ˌshi-\

: poor treatment of or violence against people because of their race

: the belief that some races of people are better than others

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism

People are so anxious to call things "racist" that they don't bother to really figure out if they are or not. It is simpler to holler "racist" than to think about the statement and realize there was no racism, intended or unintended. The statement could be true or false; it still would not be racist if it were false--there is no talk of mistreating others or of superiority.
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May 27th, 2014 at 12:42:09 PM permalink
Ace, I don't know anything about your background, but I detect English as a second language in your writing. Please don't think that I am criticizing. Your English is very good. It is clear that you understand that race is a sensitive topic in the US, but is is possible you do not completely realize how sensitive. Race relations have been a long painful conflict that is not yet fully resolved. It is an emotionally charged topic for many people of all races.

In a business setting dealing with clients or customers, the subject should be avoided unless it it absolutely relevant. People's reactions are hard to predict and overreaction is common. If it is necessary to discuss race, words must be chosen very carefully. People often will read prejudice into your words whether it is intended or not. As soon as you start a sentence with "blacks like..." many people will stiffen and brace themselves for an ignorant stereotype before you finish the sentence. I am not saying it is fair but it is a reality of American life.

As I said, I don't know your background so forgive me if I have assumed incorrectly.
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May 27th, 2014 at 1:27:08 PM permalink
We are living in a world where those who wants to point fingers don't examine anything other than their narrow view.

Pt 1. Why is it ok to call white people white? Why are they not called European Americans?

Pt 2. Why are Asians called Asians? Why are they not called Asian Americans? Why exclude them from being called Americans?

Pt 3. When did the term Afro Americans not become acceptable?

Is it wrong to profile? It may be but if you need an operation done, would you take a person more seriously who had the white coats that a doctor wears or would you take a person who was wearing jeans and a t-shirt. If I was opening up a bar-b-q rib joint, I would not open it up in a middle of a Jewish neighborhood.

To say that certain games do not appeal to certain people is absolutely wrong.
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AceCrAAckers
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May 27th, 2014 at 1:42:27 PM permalink
JimRockford, My background is that I do not fear what "whites" fear. Once a white person is tagged as a racist, even if it is not true they cannot shake this prejudice.

You are correct that I should keep some observation to myself. I erred in giving too much information. I should have left it at "some places do better with some games than others." That last statement is so broad as not to offend anyone and also adds no substance.

If you detect English as a second language in my writing, it is because of my science and math background. Equations and formula make more sense than words. f=ma makes more sense than explaining force is change of momentum respect to time. Also Ask a direct question, and you will get a direct answer from me.

I learn quick so in future I will avoid race, gender, alpha type etc.... but it does not make it less true that certain games do better with certain people. I was also going to add that roulette is more popular with Europeans than Americans.
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May 27th, 2014 at 2:01:09 PM permalink
Quote: AceCrAAckers

I was also going to add that roulette is more popular with Europeans than Americans.

Because there's only one zero.
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