AP Employment opportunity
Quote: DRichTK, most businesses must give some trust to employee's. Heck, employee's at most convenience stores control more than $50,000 in inventory.
Yes, but is he doing background checks, and does he bond these people? Like I said, I could easily talk my way into his confidence, then walk at the most opportune of times. By and large, gamblers are smart and cunning. Each one thinks they're more slick than the next. I just don't see it, but it's only an opinion.
Quote: tournamentkingis he doing background checks, and does he bond these people?
Why do you care?
Quote: Mission146That's enough.
If you want to debate the merits of team play, or methods by which teams are put together, please start a new thread.
The purpose of this thread is that Axelwolf is accepting applications for individuals who would potentially be interested in joining his team, in one capacity or another. I have personally met Axelwolf and will vouch to the extent that he not only did everything that we agreed he would do (as did I) but that he went way over-and-above his end of the bargain in the way he treated me.
If you would like to ask Axelwolf any questions, or apply to be on his team, this is the thread to do it, or send Axel a PM.
If you would like more about my experiences with Axel, please ask in this thread, and I will answer to anything that I feel does not compromise any of his plays, if I feel it is borderline, I'll check with him via PM before answering.
OK I read your post after I made my last one. But where have you read that I'm questioning his word??
Quote: TranscendThis sounds like a very interesting offer and if I lived in the Vegas area I would certainly apply. But that is not the case...good luck Axel and hopefully this thread gets back on track.
I don't see why Mission thinks it's off track. The
thread is about gamblers and teams and that's
what we're talking about. There isn't one post
that's not on topic.
I agree about gamblers thinking they're slick. Even
the losers, the ones who don't know what they're
doing, all think they're smarter than the next guy.
It's self delusion, they're throwing their money
away and don't want to admit it to themselves.
Quote: EvenBobI don't see why Mission thinks it's off track. The
thread is about gamblers and teams and that's
what we're talking about. There isn't one post
that's not on topic.
I agree about gamblers thinking they're slick. Even
the losers, the ones who don't know what they're
doing, all think they're smarter than the next guy.
It's self delusion, they're throwing their money
away and don't want to admit it to themselves.
It is off track because the thread is about an employment opportunity, not discussing whether or not it is a wise decision or all the perils that may come with this.
Quote: TranscendIt is off track because the thread is about an employment opportunity, not discussing whether or not it is a wise decision or all the perils that may come with this.
Oh baloney. Off track would be talking about abortion
or scuba diving. We're on the general topic, that's
hardly hijacking a thread.
Quote: tournamentkingOK I read your post after I made my last one. But where have you read that I'm questioning his word??
I didn't say that, or mean to imply it, please excuse me. With exception to the first two comments, everything else was kind of meant generally as opposed to you specifically.
Do you respond to every ad you see and just keep calling them up telling them why the job or product sucks, and not considering there might be something you won't know until you're deemed serious about it?Quote: EvenBobOh baloney. Off track would be talking about abortion
or scuba diving. We're on the general topic, that's
hardly hijacking a thread.
Quote: EvenBobOh baloney. Off track would be talking about abortion
or scuba diving. We're on the general topic, that's
hardly hijacking a thread.
It's off-track because this thread is meant to serve a very specific purpose, although, I do think it would be a great thread topic to discuss team play. I strongly encourage someone more knowledgeable than I about the subject to start such a thread.
Quote: onenickelmiracleDo you respond to every ad you see and just keep calling them up telling them why the job or product sucks, and not considering there might be something you won't know until you're deemed serious about it?
I read this 3 times and still have no clue what it means.
Quote: EvenBobThe teams I played on were all friends who went to Vegas just to play on the team. And we still ended up fighting all the time because of not trusting each other.
That is sad.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceThat is sad.
It really is. You can talk to friends in a way you
can't talk to colleagues. It wasn't so much theft
that was suspected, but under betting. They
wouldn't raise the bet enough at the right times.
Sometimes we made money, mostly we didn't.
And it wasn't even fun.
I would like to thank everyone for the PM's and encouragement, I got way more responses then I imagined. I was very surprised with a few intelligent people, who I consider VERY honest people, people I never imagined would be interested. That goes to show me, people are far more interested in AP, then some 9 to that's worth more per HR. I now regret not doing this months ago.
Please keep up the PM's........ Keep in mind if your over qualified and looking for a competitive wage, only on various occasions situations like that come up.
sorry wizard you're a bit over qualified. J/K
I need to say this however. Please, please DON'T give up your day job or pack your bags and to head to Vegas. Vegas can be feast or famine for AP's, I would hate the responsibility of having someone come and uproot their life counting on me for employment. If this was pre 2005 that might be an option. I really would like it if you already plan on coming to Vegas or already live here.
I need to say this however. Please, please DON'T give up your day job or pack your bags and to head to Vegas. Vegas can be feast or famine for AP's, I would hate the responsibility of having someone come and uproot their life counting on me for employment. If this was pre 2005 that might be an option. I really would like it if you already plan on coming to Vegas or already live here.
Quote: AxelWolfVegas can be feast or famine for AP's,.
Mostly famine, or everybody would be doing
it. I would say don't go more than 2-3 blocks
out of your way to do this, but that's just me.
I think TK did, but that's just a theoryQuote: Beethoven9thI'm surprised varmenti didn't create another new account to respond to the offer. lol
Bob not everyone can fig out all the advantages and how to best exploit them. MATH dose not always get you the money, its more of an art that needs math. I have seen some of the "smartest MATH AP's" play the worst games during promotions(I have many examples, where they say, oh shit I didn't think of that, Just ask Anthony Curtis) ABC wont get you the money. That's the reason why people like Mickey Crimm have done well, where others have failed.Quote: EvenBobMostly famine, or everybody would be doing
it. I would say don't go more than 2-3 blocks
out of your way to do this, but that's just me.
Quote: AxelWolfBob not everyone can fig out all the advantages and how to best exploit them. MATH dose not always get you the money, its more of an art that needs math. I have seen some of the "smartest MATH AP's" play the worst games during promotions(I have many examples, where they say, oh shit I didn't think of that, Just ask Anthony Curtis) ABC wont get you the money. That's the reason why people like Mickey Crimm have done well, where others have failed.
Can you give examples? Not necessarily real ones (hypothetical is fine) -- I'm just interested in the sorts of things that you are talking about.
Sure because this will never happen again.Quote: AxiomOfChoiceCan you give examples? Not necessarily real ones (hypothetical is fine) -- I'm just interested in the sorts of things that you are talking about.
Casino offers a $200 bonus for a top line pay on any machine max bet. Its not that strong on most games. found a stand alone .25 Black Jack machine bet 10 coins, hit a blackjack and receive your $200. 3 hrs later management excludes the machine.
Quote: AxelWolfSure because this will never happen again.
Casino offers a $200 bonus for a top line pay on any machine max bet. Its not that strong on most games. found a stand alone .25 Black Jack machine bet 10 coins, hit a blackjack and receive your $200. 3 hrs later management excludes the machine.
lol!!! That is awesome!
Were they hand pays? If not you must have really cleaned up, even in 3 hrs. How fast could you play the hands?
No, no had-pay was required, they were 20 coin pays at at .25 I didn't play fast. I knew there was a limit to how often they would pay. If you made them realize just how fast this was possible. I got paid about 17 of them. My worst fear was hitting back to back, Black Jacks while they made me play it off.Quote: AxiomOfChoicelol!!! That is awesome!
Were they hand pays? If not you must have really cleaned up, even in 3 hrs. How fast could you play the hands?
Quote: AxelWolfNo, no had-pay was required, they were 20 coin pays at at .25 I didn't play fast. I knew there was a limit to how often they would pay. If you made them realize just how fast this was possible. I got paid about 17 of them. My worst fear was hitting back to back, Black Jacks while they made me play it off.
I'm confused (I think I don't know the terminology you are using)
What do you mean, 20 coin pays? At .25 shouldn't you be getting an 800 coin bonus for every blackjack?
If they are not hand pays, how would they realize it? Don't the wins just get added to your coin balance, and at the end you print your ticket and leave? What do you mean, "make you play it off"?
if you bet 10 quarters that's $2.50 bet when you hit a blackjack it only pays even money since its a bad pay video BJ, that's a total of $5. Its a $200 bonus on a $5 BJ. No need to do the math you make close to $200 for every BJ with almost zero risk. You would not need more then $50 bucks.Quote: AxiomOfChoiceI'm confused (I think I don't know the terminology you are using)
What do you mean, 20 coin pays? At .25 shouldn't you be getting an 800 coin bonus for every blackjack?
If they are not hand pays, how would they realize it? Don't the wins just get added to your coin balance, and at the end you print your ticket and leave? What do you mean, "make you play it off"?
minus a good tip of course
Quote: AxelWolfBob not everyone can fig out all the advantages and how to best exploit them.
Yeah yeah, everybody is a dumbbell except you. Truth
is, Vegas is crawling with people doing exactly what
you're doing, always has been, always will be. Just
because you don't know them and they don't post on
public forums, don't think they aren't there. Vegas
has been the magnet for hustlers since the 50's, even
more so today. They're doing things you can't even
imagine.
You are correct. I do see them all the time. I was just replying to what you said about there being no opportunities and it not being worth doing or everybody would be doing it and that's just not true.Quote: EvenBobYeah yeah, everybody is a dumbbell except you. Truth
is, Vegas is crawling with people doing exactly what
you're doing, always has been, always will be. Just
because you don't know them and they don't post on
public forums, don't think they aren't there. Vegas
has been the magnet for hustlers since the 50's, even
more so today. They're doing things you can't even
imagine.
There are opportunities, if you know what to look for, I know a slew of people doing it.
Quote: AxelWolfif you bet 10 quarters that's $2.50 bet when you hit a blackjack it only pays even money since its a bad pay video BJ, that's a total of $5. Its a $200 bonus on a $5 BJ. No need to do the math you make close to $200 for every BJ with almost zero risk. You would not need more then $50 bucks.
I understand this.
I guess, what I'm asking is, if they are not hand pays, then how are they going to figure out that something's up? Can't you just sit there and play the machines as fast as possible (maybe printing out a ticket every time you are up over $1000 or something)?
Quote:minus a good tip of course
Who are you tipping if they are not hand pays?
Obviously, if human interaction is required to get your money, I understand how this would not last long. But if you can sit there and print slot tickets and cash them out later at ATMs... who is going to realize that there's a problem?
Quote: AxelWolfYou are correct. I do see them all the time. I was just replying to what you said about there being no opportunities .
I never said there were no opportunities. What
I said is, it's more famine than feast. If it wasn't,
there would be a hell of a lot more people doing
it.
Bingo, Floor people had to hand pay you the bonus.Quote: AxiomOfChoice
Obviously, if human interaction is required to get your money, I understand how this would not last long
Quote: AxelWolfI got paid about 17 of them.
I would never have imagined that they would pay 17 bonuses before taking action. Did you receive any "heat" whatsoever?
not until they ended it. Some female Slot supervisor sternly said this machine is not eligible anymore, its reel slots and video poker only.Quote: gpac1377I would never have imagined that they would pay 17 bonuses before taking action. Did you receive any "heat" whatsoever?
Quote: AxelWolfBingo, Floor people had to hand pay you the bonus.
Right, ok. That's what I was trying to ask originally :)
17 is pretty good, then.
Quote: AxiomOfChoice17 is pretty good, then.
It's a perfect example of the creativity he was talking about. I never would have scouted the play for what appeared to be a lousy $200 bonus on a jackpot.
And he probably knew exactly how to interface with the slot attendants. I might have screwed it up by saying the wrong thing after the first hit.
Quote: gpac1377It's a perfect example of the creativity he was talking about. I never would have scouted the play for what appeared to be a lousy $200 bonus on a jackpot.
And he probably knew exactly how to interface with the slot attendants. I might have screwed it up by saying the wrong thing after the first hit.
Right, I think that's where the generous tips come in, too. $20 per $200 seems reasonable. (Even if the blackjack game is SO BAD that the house edge is 10% (is that even possible without dealer wins pushes?), it still only costs you an average of $5 to hit each $200)
I have to admit, I thought that 2:1 blackjack was a good promotion. I never imagined that someone would offer 81:1.
You can buy stock options. I will offer you a link to Obama care.Quote: rainmanAxel, will you be offering medical and or a 401k after 90 days? :)
Quote: TranscendThis sounds like a very interesting offer and if I lived in the Vegas area I would certainly apply. But that is not the case...good luck Axel and hopefully this thread gets back on track.
Same here, would be fascinating. I would have to learn the basics of VP first though :).
In an alternate universe where I didn't meet my current fiance, I may have already moved to Vegas to be a low-level card counter at this point in time. In that universe I would be on Axel's deal in a hot second...as it is in reality, I'll just stick to my boring but dependable 9-5 and count on the odd weekends.
I guess if anyone questioned over the months if this was real or not, just wanted to let you know that these guys are legit and never had an issue getting paid or being able to get a hold of them for whatever I needed. Right now I kind of just play when I want and is very low pressure.
I don't know if anyone planned on coming out to Vegas on a temporary basis or to move out here but even if you only plan to play part time you should at least PM Axel before you come down. The amount of plays and extra money you can get is definitely worth it.
This is something I should have posted a long time ago but between getting settled and doing stuff at various casinos, haven't been on too much. Hope people at least send a PM and see if it is something they want to do because it has been a cool experience for me so far.
Quote: PerditionJust wanted to say that I started on this in late January when I moved out and have learned a lot under Axel. Before I came out, I was going to just grind out nickel machines but Axel showed me all kinds of cool plays. I'm glad I did this instead of trying on my own because I would have lost a lot of money.
I guess if anyone questioned over the months if this was real or not, just wanted to let you know that these guys are legit and never had an issue getting paid or being able to get a hold of them for whatever I needed. Right now I kind of just play when I want and is very low pressure.
I don't know if anyone planned on coming out to Vegas on a temporary basis or to move out here but even if you only plan to play part time you should at least PM Axel before you come down. The amount of plays and extra money you can get is definitely worth it.
This is something I should have posted a long time ago but between getting settled and doing stuff at various casinos, haven't been on too much. Hope people at least send a PM and see if it is something they want to do because it has been a cool experience for me so far.
Glad to hear it's going well for you, Perdition; you're right, we haven't heard from you for a while. Enjoy your time there!
Axelwolf took me under his wing when I first moved out to Las Vegas and taught me a lot about many plays in the past that are still applicable today. Him along some others have shown me many different angles and ways to get an advantage that doesn't just include playing the best returning games in the casino and hope for the best. Remember that this is a people business, above all the mathematical calculations and equations. I can't say much more but that this is what separates the B. Dancers (who play high stakes with a minuscule edge) from the Axels. To be honest I don't think we've lost on any plays we've done. It's not because we are lucky, that's for sure.
I can assure you that payment will be quick and there has never been problems. There are different levels of employment for each individual and what they contribute and they are all taken care of.
I gotta say it's pretty damn awesome not having a job and "working" = making money and collecting comps.
Hope you guys make a killing. I will be back in August and we can go for a few beverages!!!
