AP Employment opportunity
Some people consider this type of work fun and relaxing.
I prefer someone who knows a bit about video poker or can at least learn and follow strategies.
Hours are flexible. I would prefer someone who is willing to play as much as the opportunity's allow. For the most part you can make your own scheduled. However there are situations where you must be somewhere at certain times. IE: a slot tournament, drawing or special promotion.
I prefer you to have your own transportation, if not, we may be able to work something out.
This does not pay huge wages, so if you have a family of 5 to support, with a mortgage and car payments, this probably is not going to be sufficient.
Casino perks such as free rooms and food will most likely be available. There's opportunity for expense paid traveling as well, but travelling is not necessary.
The most important part is HONESTY, loyalty and secrecy.
If your interested PM me to set a meet up. I will see if your a good fit. This would be great for someone who is retried with a set income, a collage student, stay at home spouse.
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Be patient but persistent.
Who gets the w2g in taxable situations, and/or the 1099 in drawing situations?
Are the wages IRS reportable?
If competent video poker APs have interest, I don't see why they would do this. Couldn't they find these plays themselves if they were true AP's?
Do casinos allow team play on vp opportunities that they know APs will be chasing?
Thanks.
1099 and have to report it on your taxes.
Quote: EvenBobVP team play, you get stuck with the
1099 and have to report it on your taxes.
There are tax forms for splitting wins.
Quote: mickeycrimmThere are tax forms for splitting wins.
Never heard of it. I won $2500 in a slot about
10 years ago and they told me I had to claim
it all, no splitting with my wife. I made a lot
of money that year and didn't want to have
to claim all of it. In fact they got real uppity
about it and almost refused to pay me at all.
Don't they know you're on a team if some other
guy comes over and splits the win with you?
Don't casinos frown on all team play?
I've always been told by the casino people that they either frown on or don't allow team play, for a few reasons. I read that was the reason some players got tossed from the Revel promotion. That's why I went with playing by myself only. I asked the question about taxables because what player would agree to having to report the win without an additional 20% of the jackpot? And who trusts gamblers not to walk either with seed money or jackpot money at some point anyway? Is there some type of legal documents that need to be signed up front, and are these "employees" vetted?
Quote: PerditionIf you are on a team and look like you might have a Jackpot play, can someone else slide over and take the win and tax form for you? Would teams even use players cards when playing machines as a group? Not sure of all the nuances of how stuff like that works.
Someone signing the W-2G besides the person that hit the jackpot was commonplace.
There were also guys around who would sign a W2-G for ten percent of the jackpot. These guys never filed taxes and didn't give a damn.
The tax form I'm referring to is not issued by the house. It's a tax form between the two players showing that some or all of the jackpot was given to another player. I can't remember the number of this form but it exists.
Team players used cards. It was part of their wages.
First I really hope you wont be applying.Quote: tournamentkingSome questions please:
Who gets the w2g in taxable situations, and/or the 1099 in drawing situations?
Are the wages IRS reportable?
If competent video poker APs have interest, I don't see why they would do this. Couldn't they find these plays themselves if they were true AP's?
Do casinos allow team play on vp opportunities that they know APs will be chasing?
Thanks.
Not all small time AP's have money or want to risk the money they do have, plenty of competent AP's work for other AP teams in Vegas. Some teams even loan out their players to other team's. I know smart guys that have been working for different people for over 30 years, even tho they have the ability and knowledge to go on their own. Some guys enjoy playing, but hate the stress of risk and variance. I have had plenty of good people work for me in the past.
I have meet a few people from this forum that are already doing this, that's what inspired me to make a public offer. Anyone interested is welcome to confirm this is a legitimate opportunity. Mission can verify I'm a man of my word, I stand by anything I say and make sure things are understood prior to any plays. I like to have fun and make sure everyone is happy.
There are different degrees of AP's and they knowledge they have. Sure anyone can read a book then go play full-pay deuces wild on multiplier point days and make a few bucks an hr, with all the risk. I can offer more then that. There is way more to AP then that.
Also I'm not looking for a stellar AP who has all the knowledge and abilities, they are already doing for themselves
W2G's can be signed over to anyone, and be relived of the tax responsibilities, there is a form called a 5754 that deals with this specific issue.
There are plays available where tax forms are impossible to obtain. Everything will be tracked and filed properly.
Quote: mickeycrimmSomeone signing the W-2G besides the person that hit the jackpot was commonplace.
There were also guys around who would sign a W2-G for ten percent of the jackpot. These guys never filed taxes and didn't give a damn.
The tax form I'm referring to is not issued by the house. It's a tax form between the two players showing that some or all of the jackpot was given to another player. I can't remember the number of this form but it exists.
Team players used cards. It was part of their wages.
That form cannot possibly be a w2g. The whole thing sounds illegal and no responsible person who isn't a degenerate gambler would likely take such a risk. Trusting gamblers is not an intelligent AP approach. Before I chose to set off on my own I read an author named Frank Kneeland's very detailed book. He claimed to never have played with his own money because he was always part of these teams. What happened to him, and where is he today if there are still these kind of opportunities?
Quote: AxelWolfW2G's can be signed over to anyone, and be relived of the tax responsibilities, there is a form called a 5754 that deals with this specific issue
Yes, that's it. IRS form 5754 for splitting of winnings.
never worked out because of the trust issue.
There was always somebody who would win
big and blow it all on craps because he wanted
to win more. The problem with teams is they're
made up of gamblers, and most gamblers have
gambling problems.
Quote: mickeycrimmYes, that's it. IRS form 5754 for splitting of winnings.
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/iw2g.pdf
Quote: AxelWolfFirst I really hope you wont be applying.
Not all small time AP's have money or want to risk the money they do have, plenty of competent AP's work for other AP teams in Vegas. Some teams even loan out their players to other team's. I know smart guys that have been working for different people for over 30 years, even tho they have the ability and knowledge to go on their own. Some guys enjoy playing, but hate the stress of risk and variance. I have had plenty of good people work for me in the past.
I have meet a few people from this forum that are already doing this, that's what inspired me to make a public offer. Anyone interested is welcome to confirm this is a legitimate opportunity. Mission can verify I'm a man of my word, I stand by anything I say and make sure things are understood prior to any plays. I like to have fun and make sure everyone is happy.
There are different degrees of AP's and they knowledge they have. Sure anyone can read a book then go play full-pay deuces wild on multiplier point days and make a few bucks an hr, with all the risk. I can offer more then that. There is way more to AP then that.
Also I'm not looking for a stellar AP who has all the knowledge and abilities, they are already doing for themselves
W2G's can be signed over to anyone, and be relived of the tax responsibilities, there is a form called a 5754 that deals with this specific issue.
There are plays available where tax forms are impossible to obtain. Everything will be tracked and filed properly.
Hoping I won't apply is irrelevant....IF you are really the team owner. And actually, you would never know if I apply or not. That's a risk that in my estimation, is too big to be doing it like this. I could totally take on the identity of any Joe player. That's why I ask: is there a vetting process?
I'm not questioning if you're a man of your word or not, in fact, I'm assuming you are. What is interesting is that you would just trust any gambler with your money and then, with big jackpot money that the player legally has the entire rights to. Responsible people with families would never do such a thing, and if they had the money enough not to worry about it, then there are far better investment opportunities in the world.
Quote: tournamentkingThe whole thing sounds illegal and no responsible person who isn't a degenerate gambler would likely take such a risk
The administrators of this site can vouch for the OP's credibility.
Quote: tournamentking
I'm not questioning if you're a man of your word or not, in fact, I'm assuming you are. What is interesting is that you would just trust any gambler with your money and then, with big jackpot money that the player legally has the entire rights to..
Even the MIT team and the Christian team had
problems with members stealing. The guy who
ran the Christian team now admits he himself
was stealing. It's a huge temptation that many
can't resist. It's won money and you're the only
one who knows it.
He is a very trustworthy person, and helped me figure out some plays that gave me a significant increase in my hourly. These plays are all legit, and I've never had any problems going through them. I've trusted him with thousands of my own money and never had any problems if we needed to pool some money for a play.
Something to consider with pro APs is that they are very meticulous with money, even though they "gamble". They keep records of money in, and money out of every play and track expenses so everyone gets a fair share and nobody is getting stiffed for the amount they put in. TBH I've never seen Axel mess around and gamble on craps or blackjack, which is pretty damn impressive considering APs are in casinos all day. How easy is it to pull a royal and blow a few hundred at the tables since it's on the way to the cashier? I'm guilty of doing this and until I could discipline myself I would end up doing something stupid.
Another thing is that for APs your word is EVERYTHING. mickeycrimm talked about this in some other threads, and I believe this to be true. You could have no bankroll, no "name", and be straight outta Kansas but if you stay true to your word and are honest about every winning and losing session you will be extremely rich because you will always have someone that can vouch for you, and bankroll you if you go bust. There will always be plays that have the following limitations; not enough money, not enough time, not enough incentive. You can solve them by getting backers, or getting employees (which this thread is about).
Regarding tax forms: I'm 100% sure there would be no problems regarding W2-Gs. I'm not going into detail how this works but either way you will get an hourly with added incentives. If you take into account that $10/hr is what you would earn on FPDW if you play fast, but risk losing money with limited comps, then it's pretty much a sure thing to take the hourly with backers who can supply the money so you don't have to worry about going bust. Another thing to consider too is that working with backers, they usually are on their own plays which require more money and eventually they want you to become partners instead of employees if it's in their plans.
Quote: EvenBobEven the MIT team and the Christian team had
problems with members stealing. The guy who
ran the Christian team now admits he himself
was stealing. It's a huge temptation that many
can't resist. It's won money and you're the only
one who knows it.
There are ways to find out. It's not 100% fool-proof but it's easier on slot/video poker then table games.
Quote: EvenBobThe guy who
ran the Christian team now admits he himself
was stealing.
He does? How do you know? I don't want to hijack the thread so please PM the answer or make a new thread for it.
TK once again you show your ignorance when it comes to all things AP. You read to many books and online crap concerning AP, then gather bits and pieces and try to put together a complex puzzle. case and point: You're a fan boy of Rob singerQuote: tournamentkingThat form cannot possibly be a w2g. The whole thing sounds illegal and no responsible person who isn't a degenerate gambler would likely take such a risk. Trusting gamblers is not an intelligent AP approach. Before I chose to set off on my own I read an author named Frank Kneeland's very detailed book. He claimed to never have played with his own money because he was always part of these teams. What happened to him, and where is he today if there are still these kind of opportunities?
I will say it again, there is a 5754 form http://www.irs.gov/uac/Form-5754,-Statement-by-Person(s)-Receiving-Gambling-Winnings. Nothing is illegal about this.
Frankie is an intelligent guy, but mainly played progressives for someone else, I have played next to competed against and talked with many times, I know much more about him and his history then you do. Every thing he wrote in his book was probably self promoting and what he wanted you to hear. VP Progressive opportunities are few and far between nowadays, perhaps that's a reason he is not playing as much as he used to. He slowed down way before AP started to die. He has found other interest. I don't think he liked AP'ing from the start and said he didn't enjoy it, I'm fairly certain he still plays during lucrative situations. Just because he cant or don't want to find good situations dose not mean there are none.
If your trying to suggest that I'm trying to scam anyone or anything. I can assure you and others, my reputation is solid, and my AP knowledge far exceeds yours. If anyone thinks there is any merit to what your saying about it being illegal , I would not want to work with them anyways. once again You're a fan boy of Rob Singer.
Quote: tournamentkingAgain, the question isn't with axel's trustworthiness. It's with the people he takes on. How can you trust such gamblers who probably usually lose and are likely desperate for money, then get tempted with hitting a jackpot or with the seed money? You saw how Bob Dancer, probably the epitome of APs in vp play, got duped twice by some hustler in AC. What makes this process any different? That's all I'm asking. How do you ever trust another unknown gambler?
The initial investment cost is very small and by tracking wins/losses you can determine if there is "breakage". The thing is your trust goes down if you were to be caught stealing, and word gets out to lots of pros in Vegas about your caper. It doesn't matter if it's $1 or $10k, the fact you will do it means you have no respect for trust.
tournamentking why don't you ask Axel over pm about these questions? I feel the thread is going off-topic from him finding employees to a whole another thread.
Quote: djatcThere are ways to find out. It's not 100% fool-proof but it's easier on slot/video poker then table games.
So I'm gonna tell my wife and kids "hey gang, I'm giving ten previously unknown "associate gamblers" $3000 each to play a near sure thing for me the next few days. Don't worry though, I trust them all, none of them will disappear with our money even if they hit the $45k jackpot and get legal rights to every penny, and we'll all be on our way to Hawaii tomorrow!"
Really?
Quote: AxelWolfTK once again you show your ignorance when it comes to all things AP. You read to many books and online crap concerning AP, then gather bits and pieces and try to put together a complex puzzle. case and point: You're a fan boy of Rob singer
I will say it again, there is a 5754 form http://www.irs.gov/uac/Form-5754,-Statement-by-Person(s)-Receiving-Gambling-Winnings. Nothing is illegal about this.
Frankie is an intelligent guy, but mainly played progressives for someone else, I have played next to competed against and talked with many times, I know much more about him and his history then you do. Every thing he wrote in his book was probably self promoting and what he wanted you to hear. VP Progressive opportunities are few and far between nowadays, perhaps that's a reason he is not playing as much as he used to. He slowed down way before AP started to die. He has found other interest. I don't think he liked AP'ing from the start and said he didn't enjoy it, I'm fairly certain he still plays during lucrative situations. Just because he cant or don't want to find good situations dose not mean there are none.
If your trying to suggest that I'm trying to scam anyone or anything. I can assure you and others, my reputation is solid, and my AP knowledge far exceeds yours. If anyone thinks there is any merit to what your saying about it being illegal , I would not want to work with them anyways. once again You're a fan boy of Rob Singer.
The fact that you keep touting your trust when I keep saying that is not my question, and then you can't get the Singer big win off your brain, tells me you don't really know what you're doing here. So that nails it, I won't be applying, even though if I wanted I could probably teach you a lesson or two.
Quote: tournamentkingSo I'm gonna tell my wife and kids "hey gang, I'm giving ten previously unknown "associate gamblers" $3000 each to play a near sure thing for me the next few days. Don't worry though, I trust them all, none of them will disappear with our money even if they hit the $45k jackpot and get legal rights to every penny, and we'll all be on our way to Hawaii tomorrow!"
Really?
Why are you so concerned about somebody else's money?
Quote: djatc
Another thing is that for APs your word is EVERYTHING..
Depends on the type of AP you are. Pro poker
players are always borrowing money from
each other and their word has to be gold. Mess
up once and you'll never get another dime.
BJ AP's are different. They play solo for the most
part and are pretty honest with each other, but
not like poker players are. I don't know any VP
players, but I would think some wouldn't be
broken hearted if they got caught not reporting
a jackpot to the team. The problem with team
play is you deal with people who don't trust anybody
and accusations are always flying around.
Quote: tournamentkingSo I'm gonna tell my wife and kids "hey gang, I'm giving ten previously unknown "associate gamblers" $3000 each to play a near sure thing for me the next few days. Don't worry though, I trust them all, none of them will disappear with our money even if they hit the $45k jackpot and get legal rights to every penny, and we'll all be on our way to Hawaii tomorrow!"
Really?
If you're giving out that much money and expect to lose it yeah sure. I don't think I'd give that much to unknowns, but it depends on the play and how much you can keep tabs on these people. You're making investments in people with a low overhead to determine if they are worth the cost. It's like getting a job and then leaving for a higher paying job after training. The company just eats the cost but they didn't get the guy the company car, expense account, and a pay increase after his first week.
Quote: djatcYou're making investments in people with a low overhead to determine if they are worth the cost.
If you're already an AP, why would you do this
for an hourly wage. And if you're just another
player, why would you report every jackpot.
It's nothing to you if you get caught, you have
everything to gain. That's what I'd be thinking,
anyway.
Quote: EvenBobIf you're already an AP, why would you do this
for an hourly wage. And if you're just another
player, why would you report every jackpot.
It's nothing to you if you get caught, you have
everything to gain. That's what I'd be thinking,
anyway.
Exactly. That's why I threw out the questions that also apparently agitated the OP. I hope he finds success. I'm still not clear on why, if there's such juicy plays around town, that he doesn't just pound them himself non-stop. I just did that in Wendover and lost, but I win much more often than not.
Quote: onenickelmiracleI can't believe people can't understand this. Mutual agreement based on the honor system and if it doesn't work, you break ties and plant new seeds and continue harvesting the rest. End of story. The rest of the details would be trade secrets and not disclosed on a public forum, especially to people who aren't interested anyways.
Now there's an interesting post. The "honor system" among unknown gamblers, who probably lose or else they wouldn't be looking for "employment". And if it doesn't work out (aka, if the gambler takes off with the seed money or holds onto his or her legally-owned jackpot cash,) just write it off and move on to the next group of wanabees.
That is NOT what any intelligent ap would do. It's baffling.
Quote: onenickelmiracleI can't believe people can't understand this.
Me too. Small-time APs might not want to stomach the variance, or they may not have enough capital to make it profitable to go out on their own. Such people might like this opportunity. Hope Axel finds someone amidst all the b*tching so far.
Quote: tournamentkingNow there's an interesting post. The "honor system" among unknown gamblers
I kind of chuckled over that myself. Especially
gamblers who live in Vegas. The teams I
played on were all friends who went to Vegas
just to play on the team. And we still ended
up fighting all the time because of not trusting
each other. Gamblers who live in Vegas and
aren't making a living at it usually have gambling
problems, that's why they live there. Trusting
them would be interesting.
. You do understand that no matter how talented an ap is he can't be in two places at the same time right? There's often multiple good promotions running simultaneously, etc. The obvious downside of teamplay is potential honesty issues. The upside other than putting on multiple plays is a significant decrease in variance and no.Quote: tournamentkingExactly. That's why I threw out the questions that also apparently agitated the OP. I hope he finds success. I'm still not clear on why, if there's such juicy plays around town, that he doesn't just pound them himself non-stop. I just did that in Wendover and lost, but I win much more often than not.
Quote: mcallister3200. You do understand that no matter how talented an ap is he can't be in two places at the same time right? There's often multiple good promotions running simultaneously, etc. The obvious downside of teamplay is potential honesty issues. The upside other than putting on multiple plays is a significant decrease in variance and no.
I do understand that. But what Evenbob says has to ring true to anyone who knows the art of gambling: that the only people likely to respond to such an invite in LV probably have a gambling problem, and worse, are unemployable elsewhere for who knows why. How does one go about trusting such people with their money as well as their EV money? I know axel has respect around here for whatever reasons. I just can't believe that same establishment isn't all over him for this. It certainly raises multiple red flags for me, and he has zero respect for me as a slots ap who does perfectly fine on my own.
You hit the nail right on the head. I can't be in two places at once and I can only play 2 machines at once and I don't encourage that behavior. More people = more EV. Also I'm selectively lazy and don't want to put in the Many Hrs playing needed.Quote: mcallister3200. You do understand that no matter how talented an ap is he can't be in two places at the same time right? There's often multiple good promotions running simultaneously, etc. The obvious downside of teamplay is potential honesty issues. The upside other than putting on multiple plays is a significant decrease in variance and no.
I'm not asking anyone to quit their day jobs and come work for me. If the opportunities dry up, no harm no foul.
TK, ask yourself why do business owners hire employees?
Obviously I'm not going to had some new guy 10k and put him on some 45k progressive the first day.
Quote: tournamentkingthat the only people likely to respond to such an invite in LV probably have a gambling problem
Tommy Hyland was on Munchkins radio show a couple
weeks ago. He's been running BJ teams for 30 years
and he says he never recruits people who already know
how to count, because of trust issues. He only gets
people he has learned to trust and he teaches them from
scratch how to play. Non gamblers, in other words. He
found out the hard way you can't trust gamblers.
Since you referenced Frankie N. before and he only worked for teams are you saying he was unemployable elsewhere and had a gambling problem? Not everyone is a thief. If you think I'm just going to hire random people on the spot, you have the wrong Idea.Quote: tournamentkingI do understand that. But what Evenbob says has to ring true to anyone who knows the art of gambling: that the only people likely to respond to such an invite in LV probably have a gambling problem, and worse, are unemployable elsewhere for who knows why. How does one go about trusting such people with their money as well as their EV money? I know axel has respect around here for whatever reasons. I just can't believe that same establishment isn't all over him for this. It certainly raises multiple red flags for me, and he has zero respect for me as a slots ap who does perfectly fine on my own.
Did you fail to read what I said about many people working for various teams for years? Or that I'm already working with people I meet from this forum, with out incontinent? Is there some risk involved? Yes there is risk in any business and in life.
They don't have to know the art of gambling themselves, they just need to be able to follow some guidelines and be honest. Perhaps someone just lost there job, or some house wife gets board, but doesn't want to have a real job and enjoys gambling, or Some retired couple may be looking for something extra to do, or maybe some kid just finished school and has yet to find a good job. I can think of many different reasons a decent person may want to give it a try. I'm not promising a get rich quick scheme or any guarantees, I was just offering an opportunity to make some extra cash doing something that may be fun and interesting. It beats Micky D's and hard labor.
I have lack of respect for some of the things you say, not you. I smell BS, I just don't think you have any real knowledge of AP, yet you talk as if you do. If you had as much knowledge as you would like us to think, we would not even be having this conversation. I would bet many others share my same opinion You remind me of Varmenti
When you say red flags, I don't understand what your are getting at. Just because you can't grasp a concept or know what opportunities may or may not be available, dose not mean anything nefarious is going on.
I am not going to sit and list everything I'm interested in doing.
I think I now regret posting this, Perhaps I had Micky Crimm moment. Or not, he doesn't seem to have regrets and I like it.
Quote: AxelWolf
Did you fail to read what I said about many people working for various teams for years?.
Hyland said you can only really trust people
if you've been working with them for years.
I'm sure he's right, I've never done it. God,
BJ is boring, I can't see how somebody can
be an AP for 30 years and not go nuts. I
hate it now, I never even look at the BJ
tables anymore.
Quote: AxelWolfSince you referenced Frankie N. before and he only worked for teams are you saying he was unemployable elsewhere and had a gambling problem? Not everyone is a thief. If you think I'm just going to hire random people on the spot, you have the wrong Idea.
Did you fail to read what I said about many people working for various teams for years? Or that I'm already working with people I meet from this forum, with out incontinent? Is there some risk involved? Yes there is risk in any business and in life.
They don't have to know the art of gambling themselves, they just need to be able to follow some guidelines and be honest. Perhaps someone just lost there job, or some house wife gets board, but doesn't want to have a real job and enjoys gambling, or Some retired couple may be looking for something extra to do, or maybe some kid just finished school and has yet to find a good job. I can think of many different reasons a decent person may want to give it a try. I'm not promising a get rich quick scheme or any guarantees, I was just offering an opportunity to make some extra cash doing something that may be fun and interesting. It beats Micky D's and hard labor.
I have lack of respect for some of the things you say, not you. I smell BS, I just don't think you have any real knowledge of AP, yet you talk as if you do. If you had as much knowledge as you would like us to think, we would not even be having this conversation. I would bet many others share my same opinion You remind me of Varmenti
When you say red flags, I don't understand what your are getting at. Just because you can't grasp a concept or know what opportunities may or may not be available, dose not mean anything nefarious is going on.
I am not going to sit and list everything I'm interested in doing.
I think I now regret posting this, Perhaps I had Micky Crimm moment. Or not, he doesn't seem to have regrets and I like it.
It's sad that during TK's life he hasn't been in a place or state of mind where there is justified trust, I have. It is a spiritually rewarding thing to share that with a few people in your life. Some that you know in your heart of hearts just wouldn't f**k you over.
Heck it sounds like fun to me, and I can as well imagine quite a few decent people might want to do it.
Good luck there, AxelWolf. Like you I know they are out there. It's just the way some of us grew up.
Bob I think you are a cynical type of person and probably rightfully so. I think I have a real good feel for people. Even then, Trust, but confirm, unless your absolutely 100% confident. And I do know guys like that. One time I had a guy play for me.We were some what friends and he was not in to AP he was just interested in what I was doing so It was more of a favor to me, because I really needed help, he lost $3500 fairly fast on a $1 machine (well within reason on this game). He felt so bad he insisted he pay me back what he lost because he felt so bad. Not everyone is out to get youQuote: EvenBobHyland said you can only really trust people
if you've been working with them for years.
I'm sure he's right, I've never done it. God,
BJ is boring, I can't see how somebody can
be an AP for 30 years and not go nuts. I
hate it now, I never even look at the BJ
tables anymore.
Yes playing ONLY BJ for 30 years may get boring, I like to mix it up quite a bit and be creative. I also have friends and plenty of comradely to keep it interesting.
Quote: AxelWolfNot everyone is out to get you
.
All it takes is one to screw up the whole team
in BJ play. Kathy Hulbert hired people to play
slots for her in the 80's. She paid them by the
hour and only hired people over 70. She's says
she averaged $100K a year and that was 25
years ago.
All I know about Mr. Kneeland is what I've read in his book, plus several comments by others elsewhere and I've heard him on the radio. I enjoyed him, his book, not so much. If you know him so well then why don't you try to hire him? Those are the type people I believe you should be going after, not unknowns with anonymous names who know they won't be vetted. It certainly could be quite the ap play for one or more of them.
Quote: AxelWolfMission can verify I'm a man of my word, I stand by anything I say and make sure things are understood prior to any plays. I like to have fun and make sure everyone is happy.
That's absolutely right, not only did Axelwolf do everything that he said he was going to do, he did more than that, and most of that even before he was supposed to do it. I might be working with him on a situational basis, but if he wants to get into specific details on that, he can, I'm not going to say anymore about it without his specific go-ahead.
Quote: mcallister3200. You do understand that no matter how talented an ap is he can't be in two places at the same time right? There's often multiple good promotions running simultaneously, etc. The obvious downside of teamplay is potential honesty issues. The upside other than putting on multiple plays is a significant decrease in variance and no.
That's absolutely right, most teams have a, "Scout," that just goes from place to place looking for stuff and calling one of the bosses (lack of a better term) if there's something good when they get to be a big enough team. The scouter usually just makes a fixed hourly amount, but there can often be different deals amongst people.
Quote: tournamentkingI never said you have no clue what you're doing axel. I'm saying your trust in gamblers nears the amazing. You say you're good at reading people, yet most of your comments about me are far, far off the mark. Therein lies one of the reasons I question what you're doing.
All I know about Mr. Kneeland is what I've read in his book, plus several comments by others elsewhere and I've heard him on the radio. I enjoyed him, his book, not so much. If you know him so well then why don't you try to hire him? Those are the type people I believe you should be going after, not unknowns with anonymous names who know they won't be vetted. It certainly could be quite the ap play for one or more of them.
That's enough.
If you want to debate the merits of team play, or methods by which teams are put together, please start a new thread.
The purpose of this thread is that Axelwolf is accepting applications for individuals who would potentially be interested in joining his team, in one capacity or another. I have personally met Axelwolf and will vouch to the extent that he not only did everything that we agreed he would do (as did I) but that he went way over-and-above his end of the bargain in the way he treated me.
If you would like to ask Axelwolf any questions, or apply to be on his team, this is the thread to do it, or send Axel a PM.
If you would like more about my experiences with Axel, please ask in this thread, and I will answer to anything that I feel does not compromise any of his plays, if I feel it is borderline, I'll check with him via PM before answering.
No you didn't say, I had no clue what I'm doing. I do believe you have no clue about AP, other then what you read and hear. You say, I cant read you well, I say I can.(I don't think your a bad person) Anyone that has a clue when it comes to AP, can clearly see what I'm talking about. I wont get into all that again, I think I covered that in a previous post.Quote: tournamentkingI never said you have no clue what you're doing axel. I'm saying your trust in gamblers nears the amazing. You say you're good at reading people, yet most of your comments about me are far, far off the mark. Therein lies one of the reasons I question what you're doing.
All I know about Mr. Kneeland is what I've read in his book, plus several comments by others elsewhere and I've heard him on the radio. I enjoyed him, his book, not so much. If you know him so well then why don't you try to hire him? Those are the type people I believe you should be going after, not unknowns with anonymous names who know they won't be vetted. It certainly could be quite the ap play for one or more of them.
I would not want to work with Frankie on AP, hes a talented nice guy and all, but I don't mesh with him well. It's no secret, I don't like how he operates. I'm not going to go into the reasons here. Even if I got past all of that, I'm not looking for high profile people. I'm sure his time is worth more then I would be willing to pay anyways.
