treetopbuddy
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March 21st, 2013 at 2:06:38 PM permalink
I'm sure this subject has been brought up before but I'm too lazy to find out. Sorry. Anyway, while losing money at the Cincy Horseshoe a dealer told me that a known card counter had been busted by Facial Recognition Technology....FRT for the unwashed. Player was quickly escorted out, down 700. Sound right?
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March 21st, 2013 at 2:13:30 PM permalink
You could always smile excessively the whole time on the floor, since it is supposed to screw with the calculations. For this reason, they won't let you smile excessively when having your photo taken for official documents. It would make sense if the reverse, would work. I always joke about casinos targeting the smilers as a hint of where to make more money by taking away where the smiles come from. Combine the two ideas and I find it even funnier, even though I know I'm the only one in both cases.
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March 21st, 2013 at 2:28:38 PM permalink
Quote: treetopbuddy

Anyway, while losing money at the Cincy Horseshoe a dealer told me that a known card counter had been busted by Facial Recognition Technology.



Why would surv tell the dealer this, and why
in god's name would he tell you. This is inner
casino info, not dispensable to the general
public. My guess is he was BS'ing you.
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March 21st, 2013 at 3:34:05 PM permalink
Facial recognition definitely exists and is used by high end casinos. I'm not sure if the C.H falls into this category, but it is possible.

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March 21st, 2013 at 4:46:47 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Why would surv tell the dealer this, and why
in god's name would he tell you. This is inner
casino info, not dispensable to the general
public. My guess is he was BS'ing you.

No motivation to BS me as near as I could tell.....I had overheard the conversation between two dealers and asked....what's up, and a young Baccarat dealer quietly told me the story. Alot of the dealers at the Cincy casino are fresh out of the training school. The story was believable but who knows.

Are card counters that big a threat to casino's? As I remember Scarne welcomed card counters to a casino where he was a consultant.. He reported no change in the drop/takeout. Sometimes I feel like casinos will spend a million to save a hundred.
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March 21st, 2013 at 4:46:48 PM permalink
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March 21st, 2013 at 4:51:05 PM permalink
Being this would seem to be something the dealers shouldn't talk about, I wonder if they have been instructed to talk about it. You tell someone who doesn't think about gambling, besides when inside the casino, this, perhaps they won't bet more when the count is obvious to anyone with half a brain.
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March 21st, 2013 at 5:10:24 PM permalink
I would be surprised if it was just a card counter. Could have been a known criminal, team player, banned customer or other things. Real professional rd counters are really rare. The rest of the group of card counters are not very dangerous.
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March 21st, 2013 at 5:56:37 PM permalink
Where I work I've never heard a counter getting kicked out in three years.. Good chance they're just not there.. The rules aren't great and the limit spreads are only 20 units, so that might make it un appealing to counters and what helps counter the counters.. I've always thought it probably costs too much to stop them...
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March 21st, 2013 at 6:07:39 PM permalink
Did this happen while they were changing over the oxygen tanks that they pump into the casino?
And while that Dealer is standing there at minimum wage and doing his "Dummy Up and Deal" routine what other goings on in the casino did they tell him about?

Now waiting until the known card counter was down 700 and then kicking him out? That I can believe.
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March 21st, 2013 at 6:20:04 PM permalink
At Lilly Belle casino in Blackhawk I saw a drunk get barred as a counter. Back when the limits were $5 max. Table was $5 minimum,
6 deck shoe.
Gee, I wonder why Lilly Belle's closed in less than a year and is still closed today ?
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March 21st, 2013 at 7:05:17 PM permalink
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Gee, I wonder why Lilly Belle's closed in less than a year and is still closed today ?



No casino sweats the money like one that knows its
closing in a few months. When I got barred from
the Klondike in Vegas it closed 3 months later. And
all I was doing was winning, not counting.
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March 21st, 2013 at 7:20:58 PM permalink
Bellagio has it. And opened with it. Wall Street Journal did a fascinating article on it back when Bellagio opened... how it can recognize high rollers as they drive up in the driveway.
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March 21st, 2013 at 7:38:39 PM permalink
The Facial Recognition System at Horseshoe Cincy, if in fact it exists, would be there to ferret out criminals, cheats and establish a database. I have a sense that card counters are a red herring in the security world. Apparently the Cincy police have had hit the motherload at the Casino since it's opening. A very rough crowd hangs over the craps tables. I'm predicting gun play within a year.
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September 19th, 2013 at 5:27:45 PM permalink
Quote: treetopbuddy


Are card counters that big a threat to casino's? As I remember Scarne welcomed card counters to a casino where he was a consultant.. He reported no change in the drop/takeout.



Scarne's great skill was in convincing casino managers that he knew what he was talking about. He had great self confidence but was bad at math and his calculations almost always resulted in wrong answers. He once challenged Thorp to a showdown at blackjack and took Thorp's refusal as proof that he was right. Of course Thorp refused! Scarne was a magician and an expert card manipulator. He could have dealt Thorp any hand he wanted.

Card counters are a big threat to casinos! Read about the MIT blackjack team. A movie was made about them in 2008. Its title is "21."
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September 19th, 2013 at 6:09:55 PM permalink
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September 19th, 2013 at 6:53:32 PM permalink
Quote: puzzlenut

Scarne's great skill was in convincing casino managers that he knew what he was talking about. He had great self confidence but was bad at math and his calculations almost always resulted in wrong answers. He once challenged Thorp to a showdown at blackjack and took Thorp's refusal as proof that he was right. Of course Thorp refused! Scarne was a magician and an expert card manipulator. He could have dealt Thorp any hand he wanted.

Card counters are a big threat to casinos! Read about the MIT blackjack team. A movie was made about them in 2008. Its title is "21."



Card Counters counting basic blackjack are almost no threat at all. There are probably less than 100 people in the Country that can make a living counting Blackjack and not get caught. You have a better chance of making money and not getting caught counting side bets than regular blackjack.

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September 20th, 2013 at 12:45:45 AM permalink
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Card Counters counting basic blackjack are almost no threat at all. There are probably less than 100 people in the Country that can make a living counting Blackjack and not get caught.
ZCore13



Exactly correct. The really knowledgeable, 'true' casino people, like yourself and Zender have all come to the same conclusion. Unfortunately, casinos are no longer run by real 'casino people', they are run by bean counters. In trying to preventing low and mid-level counters from winning any money, these bean counters spend a dollar for every penny they think they prevent from being won.
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September 20th, 2013 at 3:32:44 AM permalink
I've been reading here lately that casinos are having problems with facial recognition. First, it's easy to beat with long hair and glasses that cover most of the face. And two, there is a lot of misidentification going on.
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January 13th, 2017 at 8:01:56 PM permalink
Just thought this might be of interest.

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SALEM, Ore. — An Indiana man who fled his home state after being suspected of molesting a 10 year old girl in 1999 has been arrested in Salem, according to the FBI.

Charles Hollin, 61, was arrested at his job at a Walmart on Tuesday after fleeing the central Indiana area 17 years ago.

It was facial recognition software used by the FBI that found Hollin. The FBI in December confirmed a "most likely" facial match of Hollin with Andrew David Hall, the alias he had been using in Salem, according to a complaint affidavit provided by the FBI. Hollin, as Hall, applied for a U.S. passport in 2007 to travel to China


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Within four months of the kidnapping and molestation incident, Hollin obtained an $80,000 home equity loan and applied for an Indiana driver’s license under the name of Andrew David Hall. Hall was an 8-year-old boy who died in a car crash in Kentucky in 1975.



http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/01/13/fbi-facial-recognition-software-helps-id-indiana-cold-case-fugitive/96570250/
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January 13th, 2017 at 8:16:54 PM permalink
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