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November 21st, 2011 at 8:00:24 AM permalink
kp
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Quote: rxwine
the backyard inventor who keeps wondering why no one notices the device that increases mileage

If a research scientist was on track to discover a device to increases automobile mileage, the company would shut down the program because that is not the business that are in. Likewise, they are not in the business to cure disease, just to treat it.

Pharmaceutical companies are in the subscription business. Like cable companies, they depend on the monthly reoccurring revenue. Also like the cable company they would not be interested in selling a product that was a one-time purchase and replaced the monthly revenue stream. What business in their right mind would go for such a deal?
November 21st, 2011 at 8:19:10 AM permalink
dm
Member since: Apr 29, 2010
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Quote: FleaStiff
>>>>Was there a specific example of a cure that was discovered and suppressed?
Zillions. Look how long it actually took to suppress scurvy via lime juice. Look at all the doctors who refused to even keep statistics on hand washing in hospitals. Look at how long it took doctors to resist treatment with sunlight despite nurses having noticed that neonates with a certain disease were always located in the center of the room well away from the windows. Look how long there was a campaign to ignore Dr. Cade because he was an Australian country doctor, not a research fellow and was advocating a non-patentable treatment of lithium salts. Look how long America ignored a country doctor because he was black and had polio cure rates that were too high? Look how long it was "known" that Pellegra was an infectious disease until one brave Southern governor promised parole to ALL prisoners, White or Black who offered themselves for experimentation.



>>>>But anyway, no need to worry, they've found several ways to act unethically in this area anyway.
>>>>(performing unnecessary procedures, false or questionable treatments, ...
Such as "reducing tumor burden" in cancer patient treatment: massive expenditures to reduce the number and size of tumors at great discomfort to the patient, but not one moment of a longer life, just fewer and smaller tumors.
>>>> fooling with patents so generics don't reach to market as soon as they might,
Oh thats nothing, look at how so much research is "me tooism" rather than actually advancing the state of knowledge,
Or look at how most drugs are vitamin analogs but research is not done on the vitamins because those can't be patented.
>>>> price gouging,
Oh come now, whether it be a pharmaceutical drug or a recreational drug, you KNOW the producers want competition eliminated. Heroine or Aspirin makes no difference, keep the competitors few and barriers of entry high.
> most likely areas of the health insurance market...)
Wall street judges a health insurance company by how LITTLE it spends on patients with health problems, just as it judges a fire insurance company by how many solid stone houses directly across from a fire station are insured.

So go tell the quacks to treat Tosis (a condition of the vital organs being too high in the chest instead of at the proper levels as shown in autopsies... until someone pointed out data derived from corpses just might not be relevant to the living).




LOVE IT. I didn't know any of that. Maybe public will wake up some day and kick some ass. Our country is controlled by some bad guys that we need to eliminate.
November 21st, 2011 at 8:22:15 AM permalink
dm
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Quote: Garnabby
There already is such a drug under testing for dissolving all but the major blockages of the arteries which will then still be otherwise replaced manually (with those of the patient's arm/leg).

I don't have the specs, but know this because my significant other had a bi-bass years ago, so i listened to the news-segment when it appeared about a year ago.



Under study, my ass. The FDA makes it extremely difficult to get new drugs to the market. Protecting you? Hell no, protecting someone else, and probably themselves included.
November 21st, 2011 at 8:25:02 AM permalink
dm
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Quote: kp
If a research scientist was on track to discover a device to increases automobile mileage, the company would shut down the program because that is not the business that are in. Likewise, they are not in the business to cure disease, just to treat it.

Pharmaceutical companies are in the subscription business. Like cable companies, they depend on the monthly reoccurring revenue. Also like the cable company they would not be interested in selling a product that was a one-time purchase and replaced the monthly revenue stream. What business in their right mind would go for such a deal?




That's precisely the point. Health care should not be a mere business. I see it as an inherent right.
November 21st, 2011 at 11:37:54 AM permalink
Ayecarumba
Member since: Nov 17, 2009
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Quote: dm
That's precisely the point. Health care should not be a mere business. I see it as an inherent right.


So doctor's should work for free? How will they pay back their Federal student loans? Does everyone deserve Mayo Clinic level expertise, or just Free Clinic?
November 21st, 2011 at 12:26:47 PM permalink
weaselman
Member since: Jul 11, 2010
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Why for free?
Military servicemen do not work for free ... neither do policemen or firemen ...
It's not like some totally cuckoo, out there, communist idea, that some services better serve society when they are not run for profit ...
"When two people always agree one of them is unnecessary"
November 21st, 2011 at 12:30:38 PM permalink
dm
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Quote: Ayecarumba
So doctor's should work for free? How will they pay back their Federal student loans? Does everyone deserve Mayo Clinic level expertise, or just Free Clinic?


Hell no, they would work for the government, and they would be relegated to just being regular, overpaid federal employees.

Also, let me say that medical school in its present form is a joke. They expect the poor guys to know every muscle, nerve, cell name of every single part of the body. How can anyone retain that much? I know for a fact that normal people can do many individual tasks that a doctor performs. I, personally, can stick my finger up a male rectum an feel the prostate gland and tell if it's hard, enlarged, whatever. In other words, a group of just normal people could pretty easily learn the specific tasks that a doctor has to perform.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:46:48 PM permalink
Nareed
Member since: Nov 11, 2009
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Quote: kp
Pharmaceutical companies are in the subscription business.


Do you think I should report my dermatologist? He cured me of eczema rather quickly. Then there was that GP who cured me of pneumonia, with drugs from a pharmaceutical company no less (the nerve!)

While I'm at it, should I report my aunt's oncologist? She had skin cancer about 11 or 12 years ago, but got treatment and it went into remission. It hasn't recurred, either. Where do you figure the oncologist went wrong?
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November 21st, 2011 at 1:19:25 PM permalink
boymimbo
Member since: Nov 12, 2009
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Oh great, another health care debate! Wait. I've been blocked.
----- You want the truth! You can't handle the truth!
November 21st, 2011 at 1:23:34 PM permalink
Garnabby
Member since: Aug 14, 2010
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Quote: dm
Under study, my ass.

Okay, i guess also i'm part of the world-wide conspiracy going on now.

Though it's hard to believe on that level, when the richest live and die by basically the same technology as most of the remainder of us. In fact today, i venture to add that the overly-rich have come to lead those shorter lives of "quiet desperation" once attributed to only the poor. "All dressed up but no where to go."
Why bet at all, if you can be sure? Anyway, what constitutes a "good bet"? - The best slots-game in town; a sucker's edge; or some gray-area blackjack-stunts? (P.S. God doesn't even have to exist to be God.)
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