The Venetian casino: COMPS information
I had been playing 50 on the Dont and 300 in Odds for most of my sessions. I've generally assumed that as with many casinos, OddsBets are not "rated" only the Flat Bet is rated, but it appears that at The Venetian, they view the Odds bet as an integral part of your rating and so my play was more highly rated than I would have imagined. Even when my luck turned against me and one of the dealers suggested I drop down to 25 for a flat bet, my play seemed to have been appreciated.
I've had big losses and decent play, and none of my spa charges was ever comped.
In regards to free odds in craps: they'll count your odds bet, but they'll comp you accordingly. I have heard and been told that while $250 avg bet x 4 hrs = RFB for most games there, craps requires $350.
Still, it's better than not having them count at all.
From personal experience, I think they give blackjack a very low theoretical. When I switched to pai gow, it seemed to be easier to please them.
I'm satisfied with myself for playing a good, strong basic strategy game. One evening I was playing at 3rd base with a bunch of newbies. A pit boss was observing the table and when I glanced at her she nodded to me and quietly said "*you* know what you're doing."
Quote: WizardIf the Venetian counts the odds in the average bet amount, they may also depress the "theoretical house edge" for purposes of comps.
From personal experience, I think they give blackjack a very low theoretical. When I switched to pai gow, it seemed to be easier to please them.
I guess this must be what happened to me. I played $100/hand BJ at Venetian this past December, while my wife was playing quarter slots. Now I'm getting offers for $79 rooms. My wife is getting offers for $free rooms. How annoying (though I guess its an advantage of the Club Grazie quirk that our accounts are seperate and can't be combined...we can pick and choose our offers).
I find that sort of thing insulting. Nor the rooms, but some of the other perks.Quote: mantic59I played $100/hand BJ at Venetian this past December, while my wife was playing quarter slots. Now I'm getting offers for $79 rooms. My wife is getting offers for $free rooms.
My wife plays slots. I play primarly poker, but also craps and BJ, and sometimes a little video poker.
I know slots players are more profitable and therefore get better offers. I don't have an issue with that.
In fact, she's a Diamond in Harrah's Total Rewards, while I'm a lowly Gold. I get it. I understand.
If we use one of my wife's free rooms instead of my discount rooms, I understand she has to be the one to check in. No complaints.
Some of the perks my wife is entitled to as a Diamond are free valet parking ($20 in A.C. for non-Diamonds) and free access, with guest, to the Diamond lounge, which has a mini buffet. I REALLY do get it. She's entitled. I'm not.
She can bring me in as a guest anytime. But if *I* want to go to the Diamond lounge alone, I can't do it. Why not? My wife is busy gambling with MY money! Does the casino REALLY want me to extricate her from her machine just get me in the door when I want to grab a bite in the lounge? Ditto for the times I want to go to the regular buffet by myself, but want to get the Diamond discount.
Similarly, do they REALLY want her to stop playing so we can claim the car from the valet? That's a job I can do myself while she continues to play a little longer!
As a followup to my original question in this thread, I played 2x$20 at BJ at Palazzo for an hour. I have just received the "Spring Spectacular" offer for 4 nights comped and $10 slot play . This is my fist Venetian offer. I have never stayed there before.
I'm very surprised the Venetian would give much at all to a $40 blackjack player. Then again, times are tough, and everyone is more generous.
Quote: teddysHi Folks~
As a followup to my original question in this thread, I played 2x$20 at BJ at Palazzo for an hour. I have just received the "Spring Spectacular" offer for 4 nights comped and $10 slot play . This is my fist Venetian offer. I have never stayed there before.
I just got a 4 night "Springtacular" comp offer as well. I checked their reservations calendar and there are actually some decent mid-week blocks (and a weekend block in April) available. My offer actually has a $25 slot credit or table match play.
As pointed out above, my ex-girlfriend is a $.25 slot player. Sheldon Adelson basically lands his personal helicopter on her front yard to bring her in. In other words, she gets rooms here whenever she wants. Still baffles me how someone who puts in 1/10th the action I do gets the world, but as the Wizard points out, slot players are definitely the comp kings.
I played table games a bit but no more than an hour a day and prob 25-50 average bet (bit higher on craps with odds but still <100)
I'm new to the forum here and just want to say thank you all in advance.
Last weekend I went to Palazzo paying normal rates and played a few hundred dollars of slot play (1500 slot points on grazie) and also ate at the hotel a few times. So now I want to plan another trip for the first week of august(9-13) and I'm wondering is there any way that I can receive a comp/partial comp. I've read that people usually get these through the mail but since I'm going soon i don't know if or when I'll get that. Does calling work or is there any "best" way for me to go about this?
Thank you!!
Quote: Et24Hi all,
I'm new to the forum here and just want to say thank you all in advance.
Last weekend I went to Palazzo paying normal rates and played a few hundred dollars of slot play (1500 slot points on grazie) and also ate at the hotel a few times. So now I want to plan another trip for the first week of august(9-13) and I'm wondering is there any way that I can receive a comp/partial comp. I've read that people usually get these through the mail but since I'm going soon i don't know if or when I'll get that. Does calling work or is there any "best" way for me to go about this?
Thank you!!
The best offers come through the mail there, and they never seem to stop once you get them cranking. If you want, give them a call and ask for a comped room, but absent of any mailer and with as little play as you gave them, I'd expect they'd tell you "We can give you casino rate". If that's good enough for you then you're off and running. Never hurts to try.
So basically, what bet and for how many hours.
We're out there next month, December, 8th - 12th and would like to take advantage of this.
Thanks a lot for any suggestions.
LPB in NC
Quote: LowPingBoyIt sounds as if a reasonable strategy is to send the wife to the Slots and hit the tables. If that is the case what level of slots should she be playing? I/we have absolutely no experience with comps and slots but willing to learn. As near as I can tell they range from 25 cents or so up to, I don't know, $10 a pull.
So basically, what bet and for how many hours.
We're out there next month, December, 8th - 12th and would like to take advantage of this.
Thanks a lot for any suggestions.
LPB in NC
The Venetian, being a big-box Strip casino, has horrible slot returns. They consistently report those figures to the Gaming Control Board.
Your wife should be playing as small denominations as possible, to minimize her losses, which can be gigantic if she doesn't watch herself. Here's a few basic tips to help stem the bleeding:
1. Figure out an amount per play and play that amount on the highest denomination possible. If that's $1/pull, that would be one coin on a dollar machine--not four (or five) coins on a quarter machine, and DEFINITELY not 20 coins on a nickel machine. The reason is, the returns on low-denomination machines are the worst of all. On the Strip, ALL slot returns stink, but anything lower than $1 denom is prohibitively bad.
2. The higher the top jackpot, the tighter the machine will be (must have lots and lots of losers to finance the big hit). Conversely, the lower the top jackpot, the looser the machine, all other things being equal. So if you want to play for a while, find a game with a 2,400 coin jackpot, not a $250,000 jackpot.
3. Make sure you BOTH join the player's club, so her slot play will be tracked, and you will be rated. This will be especially useful if she, say, hits a taxable $2000 jackpot, but is down $1900 when she hits it--without the slot card record, she would be liable for taxes on the entire $2000.
4. There is a coupon in the American Casino Guide for $25 free slot play for new members who sign up for the club. Since you can get a copy of the ACG for about $12, that's a good way to get off on the right foot, and there's tons of coupons usable at other casinos as well.
When you earn some points, use them to pay for meals in the Grand Lux Cafe--the food there is really good, and reasonably priced. The fancy-ass restaurants in the Venetian aren't worth it, and they're not all that good (except the $200/meal joints).
Quote: mkl654321The Venetian, being a big-box Strip casino, has horrible slot returns. They consistently report those figures to the Gaming Control Board.
Your wife should be playing as small denominations as possible, to minimize her losses, which can be gigantic if she doesn't watch herself. Here's a few basic tips to help stem the bleeding:
1. Figure out an amount per play and play that amount on the highest denomination possible. If that's $1/pull, that would be one coin on a dollar machine--not four (or five) coins on a quarter machine, and DEFINITELY not 20 coins on a nickel machine. The reason is, the returns on low-denomination machines are the worst of all. On the Strip, ALL slot returns stink, but anything lower than $1 denom is prohibitively bad.
2. The higher the top jackpot, the tighter the machine will be (must have lots and lots of losers to finance the big hit). Conversely, the lower the top jackpot, the looser the machine, all other things being equal. So if you want to play for a while, find a game with a 2,400 coin jackpot, not a $250,000 jackpot.
3. Make sure you BOTH join the player's club, so her slot play will be tracked, and you will be rated. This will be especially useful if she, say, hits a taxable $2000 jackpot, but is down $1900 when she hits it--without the slot card record, she would be liable for taxes on the entire $2000.
4. There is a coupon in the American Casino Guide for $25 free slot play for new members who sign up for the club. Since you can get a copy of the ACG for about $12, that's a good way to get off on the right foot, and there's tons of coupons usable at other casinos as well.
When you earn some points, use them to pay for meals in the Grand Lux Cafe--the food there is really good, and reasonably priced. The fancy-ass restaurants in the Venetian aren't worth it, and they're not all that good (except the $200/meal joints).
Typical shoot-from-the-hip nonsense delivered by someone with very little to no experience in a luxury resort/casino environment.
I play at Venetian/Palazzo all the time and I play $1 to as high as $10 sometimes, and it's one of the two casinos I am ahead at. So tell your wife not to be afraid to play any denomination she likes and in fact, the higher the denomination the better slot return and pay table. Then tell mkl to actually GO to the Venetian before he starts in with the know-it-all stuff again.
The Grand Lux Cafe has excellent food, but the gourmet restaurants are far better and offer a much more satisfying experience when you're staying in a high end resort like that. The comment above was made by someone who thinks the El Cortex serves up world class grub, and he'll take his wife to Ellis Island for their 25th wedding anniversary. So enjoy yourselves and don't let a known cheapskate ruin your time for you.
Quote: mkl654321Figure out an amount per play and play that amount on the highest denomination possible. ...slot returns stink, but anything lower than $1 denom is prohibitively bad.
Quote: JerryLogan... tell your wife not to be afraid to play any denomination she likes and in fact, the higher the denomination the better slot return and pay table. Then tell mkl to actually GO to the Venetian before he starts in with the know-it-all stuff again.
Somebody help me out here: what are these two guys arguing about? Aren't they basically saying the exact same thing but regularly calling each other liars?
Quote: DocSomebody help me out here: what are these two guys arguing about? Aren't they basically saying the exact same thing but regularly calling each other liars?
Saying they're arguing isn't fair to MKL. So far, all that's happened is that Jerry didn't actually read before spouting (again...).
EDIT: ok, NOW they're fighting.
Quote: DocSomebody help me out here: what are these two guys arguing about? Aren't they basically saying the exact same thing but regularly calling each other liars?
Am I arguing with that moron? No.
Does he know whether or not I've ever been to the Venetian? No. (I've actually spent quite a bit of time there.)
Quote: JerryLoganTypical shoot-from-the-hip nonsense delivered by someone with very little to no experience in a luxury resort/casino environment.
I play at Venetian/Palazzo all the time and I play $1 to as high as $10 sometimes, and it's one of the two casinos I am ahead at. So tell your wife not to be afraid to play any denomination she likes and in fact, the higher the denomination the better slot return and pay table. Then tell mkl to actually GO to the Venetian before he starts in with the know-it-all stuff again.
The Grand Lux Cafe has excellent food, but the gourmet restaurants are far better and offer a much more satisfying experience when you're staying in a high end resort like that. The comment above was made by someone who thinks the El Cortex serves up world class grub, and he'll take his wife to Ellis Island for their 25th wedding anniversary. So enjoy yourselves and don't let a known cheapskate ruin your time for you.
Yo, asshole:
It's called the "El Cortez", not the "El Cortex". Can't you even spell?
I never said that the El Cortez had "world class cuisine". I said that the steak house had very good food. Don't be a lying douchebag, and don't put words in my mouth.
"Little or no experience in..." LOL, as some here would say. Eight years working in high-end Strip properties, thousands of hours playing in them, over 200 nights staying in those hotels...no, no experience at all.
Really, Jerry, you shithead, you have absolutely not the slightest idea of what you're talking about, so why don't you keep your mouth shut rather than showing all of us here what an ignorant ass you are?
mkl, we all know what Jerry is like, so I won't bother commenting directly on the details of your post.Quote: mkl654321Yo, asshole:
It's called the "El Cortez", not the "El Cortex". Can't you even spell?
I never said that the El Cortez had "world class cuisine". I said that the steak house had very good food. Don't be a lying douchebag, and don't put words in my mouth.
"Little or no experience in..." LOL, as some here would say. Eight years working in high-end Strip properties, thousands of hours playing in them, over 200 nights staying in those hotels...no, no experience at all.
Really, Jerry, you shithead, you have absolutely not the slightest idea of what you're talking about, so why don't you keep your mouth shut rather than showing all of us here what an ignorant ass you are?
On the other hand, you and I agree fairly often, and when we disagree, we can debate a point politely. But as for this current thread, I don't really understand how you can post a comment claiming that you aren't arguing with Jerry then immediately follow it with this post! I think you might lose some cred (not that Jerry thinks you have any.)
Quote: Docmkl, we all know what Jerry is like, so I won't bother commenting directly on the details of your post.
On the other hand, you and I agree fairly often, and when we disagree, we can debate a point politely. But as for this current thread, I don't really understand how you can post a comment claiming that you aren't arguing with Jerry then immediately follow it with this post! I think you might lose some cred (not that Jerry thinks you have any.)
The post I made didn't argue with him. And as you point out, he and I agreed--so I had no reason to argue with him about that particular point (slot denoms at the V). I will, however, point out his lies--in the most recent post you quote, I wasn't arguing with him--I was taking exception to his misquoting me. I don't expect him to agree with ANYTHING I say--as you noted, he disagrees with me even when he actually agrees (!). And I really don't care what Jerry thinks of me. It couldn't be any worse than what I think of him.
Quote: mkl654321Yo, asshole: lying douchebag, you shithead, ignorant ass
For somebody who's gone to college for 8 years, has a 190 IQ and has read 5000 books (were they comic books?), it seems you shoud at least try and avoid common vulgarity. Ya know?
Quote: mkl654321Yo, asshole:
It's called the "El Cortez", not the "El Cortex". Can't you even spell?
I never said that the El Cortez had "world class cuisine". I said that the steak house had very good food. Don't be a lying douchebag, and don't put words in my mouth.
"Little or no experience in..." LOL, as some here would say. Eight years working in high-end Strip properties, thousands of hours playing in them, over 200 nights staying in those hotels...no, no experience at all.
Really, Jerry, you shithead, you have absolutely not the slightest idea of what you're talking about, so why don't you keep your mouth shut rather than showing all of us here what an ignorant ass you are?
And at the end of the day all you are is a teacher.... Why, there's MILLIONS of low income folks running around telling everyone how they used to regularly prowl and kill luxury casinos before becoming teachers! And does anyone know any other educator who spends endless hours posting obscenities on a gambling-oriented forum?
World class, that's for sure!
Do you not tire of being owned?
Quote: EvenBobFor somebody who's gone to college for 8 years, has a 190 IQ and has read 5000 books (were they comic books?), it seems you shoud at least try and avoid common vulgarity. Ya know?
What's the line from the Princess Bride? Something like "I'll use small words...you warthog-faced buffoon." If nothing else, I'd be a proponent of a transition to uncommon vulgarity.
Quote: EvenBobFor somebody who's gone to college for 8 years, has a 190 IQ and has read 5000 books (were they comic books?), it seems you shoud at least try and avoid common vulgarity. Ya know?
Most of the time, I do avoid it, but when addressing an obnoxious shithead and lying clown like you, common vulgarity seems very appropriate. So...
Fuck you, Bob.
Quote: EvenBobFor somebody who's gone to college for 8 years, has a 190 IQ and has read 5000 books (were they comic books?), it seems you shoud at least try and avoid common vulgarity. Ya know?
Let's try some more common vulgarity:
Fuck you, Bob, you worthless asshole.
This is fun!
Quote: mkl654321Let's try some more common vulgarity:
Fuck you, Bob, you worthless asshole.
This is fun!
It's called "preparing for class"!
Quote: rdw4potusWhat's the line from the Princess Bride? Something like "I'll use small words...you warthog-faced buffoon." If nothing else, I'd be a proponent of a transition to uncommon vulgarity.
But I want to make sure he understands it. We already know that both his vocabulary and his comprehension skills are severely limited, to the point of retardation.
Was that Cary Elwes' character that said that...to the villain, while he was lying helpless in a bed?
Quote: JerryLoganIt's called "preparing for class"!
Fuck you, Jerry!
Quote: teddysCan you guys take a time out or arrange a steel-cage death match in Elko or something? If there was ever a time to use a temporary ban power, this would be it. On all three of you. Grow up.
I apologize to one and all. I will continue to post, but not in response to either of those douchebags. I shouldn't react to their garbage-flinging.
I will continue to post on relevant topics; Jarry and Bob will continue their homophobic, racist, right-wing rants. I do encourage you to block them, if you don't want to see them insult every single person, group, race, ethnicity, or sexual orientation they can think of.
Quote: teddysCan you guys take a time out or arrange a steel-cage death match in Elko or something? If there was ever a time to use a temporary ban power, this would be it. On all three of you. Grow up.
I have an idea. Maybe one of the features of WOVcon I can be a Jerry v. MKL fight to the pain.
Quote: mkl654321But I want to make sure he understands it. We already know that both his vocabulary and his comprehension skills are severely limited, to the point of retardation.
Was that Cary Elwes' character that said that...to the villain, while he was lying helpless in a bed?
Yessir, that's it. He'd been mostly dead all day!
Quote: mkl654321Fuck you, Jerry!
I was taught that vulgarity is the first resort of the simple mind. And the juvenile mind. Case in point...
Quote: teddysCan you guys take a time out or arrange a steel-cage death match in Elko or something? If there was ever a time to use a temporary ban power, this would be it. On all three of you. Grow up.
I would be glad to travel to Elko for that, but mkl would never be able to afford the trip. You see, Mensa is just a bunch of liberal hippies, homos and lifelong students. They just won't and can't finance such an expensive endeavor.
I know of no official announcement or indication.
ONE blogger of note who focuses mainly on Las Vegas entertainment issues posted in early December that the economy has forced Sheldon Adelson to allow Christmas decorations all over the Venetian/Palazzo and to resume comping the Middle Class customers. The blogger admitted to having received the same Three Nights plus 75 dollars in free play that he would have had in Pre-Cutback days.
Again, Nothing official and nothing for certain. One California blogger who plays slots exclusively was comped at Bellagio and at the Venetian but her action is "strong" .(All the latest slot machines with cutesy graphics and all the top end restaurants... hasn't paid for a room in years).
