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May 10th, 2010 at 5:00:16 PM permalink
A the time of this writing the two horns (Bighorn and Longhorn) had some interesting blackjack rules as follows:

  • 6 decks
  • Dealer hits soft 17
  • Double after split allowed
  • Surrender allowed
  • Re-splitting aces allowed up to three hands
  • Unlimited re-splitting of all other hands
  • Player may double on 3 on three cards
  • Blackjack pays 2-1 if two more players at the table have one


The rule about doubling on 3 cards changes the strategy a little. It incentives the player to not split or double in some borderline cases, hoping for a better double after three cards. A reader named "Ritchie" send in the following basic strategy for these rules. I haven't verified it, but it passes my smell test.



He also added two composition dependent exceptions:

  • 8+7 vs. 10 = hit
  • 3-card soft 15 vs. 4 = double


He also reminded me to say that since the double on three cards rule doesn't apply after splitting, to revert to the standard strategy after splitting.

Thanks rudeboyoi for the strategy.
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May 12th, 2010 at 11:49:37 AM permalink
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June 5th, 2011 at 10:35:54 PM permalink
Longhorn now offers a $5 bonus if you hit a blackjack in diamonds with a $5 minimum bet. I hit one last time I was there.
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June 6th, 2011 at 1:51:45 AM permalink
I wonder if some of these "lesser" casinos may indeed be bargains simply because they have to offer really good opportunities in order to keep their nearby customers from treking to other casinos that offer far more as to diversions and food/entertainment.

As to the actual strategy I'd be curious about the final house-edge calculations if you think its worth the effort once its already passed the initial "smell test" but personally I have enough trouble remembering simplified basic strategy to ever apply an exotic strategy.
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June 6th, 2011 at 4:08:59 AM permalink
I'm guessing we stay tuned to the WoO site to find out what the HE is.
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June 6th, 2011 at 8:05:09 AM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

I'm guessing we stay tuned to the WoO site to find out what the HE is.



I indicate it in my blackjack survey.
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June 6th, 2011 at 9:05:25 AM permalink
I just now saw that this was an old thread!!
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June 6th, 2011 at 9:24:17 AM permalink
How much would Basic Strategy change if a player could double on any number of cards ? I do have a reason for asking !!
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July 13th, 2012 at 9:19:22 AM permalink
Wait a second, I realize this is an old thread, and that I posted in the other one while this has the answer, but I do have a question about this.

Is it "BJ pays 2-1 it 2 or more players have a BJ" or "BJ pays 2-1 if two MORE players have one" (so 3 or more total?) I remember reading that if it's two or more, it decreases the edge by about .1% per extra player, and I'd imagine it's only about .03 or .04% per additional player if it was 3 or more BJs.
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July 13th, 2012 at 9:29:24 AM permalink
Quote: Boney526

Is it "BJ pays 2-1 it 2 or more players have a BJ" or "BJ pays 2-1 if two MORE players have one" (so 3 or more total?) I remember reading that if it's two or more, it decreases the edge by about .1% per extra player, and I'd imagine it's only about .03 or .04% per additional player if it was 3 or more BJs.

It's two or more players. I think this promotion has been gone for a while. Last time I checked, it was 5-2 for a BJ in diamonds, as well as a six-pack of Pepsi (at the Bighorn only; a negative E.V. if there ever was one).
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