UCivan
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November 29th, 2016 at 4:10:33 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Ad someone who built a game often confused with Casino War, I find this very amusing. :)

Babs, sounds like you knew what UTM was. or UTH?
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November 29th, 2016 at 5:38:31 PM permalink
Quote: UCivan

Babs, sounds like you knew what UTM was. or UTH?



Gosh am I struggling to say 'Ultimate Texas Hold'em'
FleaStiff
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November 29th, 2016 at 5:54:03 PM permalink
Overall impression:
I would think it very sensible for a small footprint place to not bother with splashy nightclubs full of young drunkards instead of gamblers.

Oriental Tray Lizards? Fine. Ive never liked it when a German restaurant has a Black waiter. Unless he can sing the songs and get everybody drunk.

No Craps. Would be a drawback for me, but one can always 'just visit' a casino. If Orientals go for Baccarat, then that decision has already been made for the casino before they even turned the first shovel of dirt.

Token games in some hidden alcove? Keep looking. Who knows?
Joeshlabotnik
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November 29th, 2016 at 6:52:58 PM permalink
Quote: BobDancer

Mock me if you like, but I was ready, able, and willing to do just that. It was disappointing that the video poker wasn't playable. Oh well, maybe next time.



Isn't it pretty much a Vegas trope by now that a casino opens, it has pretty good video poker, and the moment the doors open, the local fleas descend on the good games, and 24 hours later, everything is 6/5 Bonus? Maybe the LD just decided to save themselves the trouble this time.

There doesn't appear to be any reason to set foot in the joint, except maybe novelty. You can get 8 bucks for joining the slot club. Then you can watch people play.........baccarat, the Asian version of Casino War.

I'll bet the Asian food is actually not as good as that you can get elsewhere in town. After all, they have an essentially captive audience. Why would they provide quality?
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November 29th, 2016 at 7:07:26 PM permalink
Quote: Joeshlabotnik

Isn't it pretty much a Vegas trope by now that a casino opens, it has pretty good video poker, and the moment the doors open, the local fleas descend on the good games, and 24 hours later, everything is 6/5 Bonus? Maybe the LD just decided to save themselves the trouble this time.

There doesn't appear to be any reason to set foot in the joint, except maybe novelty. You can get 8 bucks for joining the slot club. Then you can watch people play.........baccarat, the Asian version of Casino War.

I'll bet the Asian food is actually not as good as that you can get elsewhere in town. After all, they have an essentially captive audience. Why would they provide quality?



I'll play:

Fleas? Thanks for telling us what you think about players looking for an edge. Perhaps you are at the wrong site. Ever try Forex? Just asking.

Baccarat is Asian War? Can you even begin to discuss the difference in odds between the 2? Just asking.

Would love to have your reviews of the best Asian food joints in town. After all, there is not a casino in Vegas with any of the highest rated restaurants in the world.

Why would they provide quality? It's not like they have competition for gamblers. Build it, they will come, right?
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November 29th, 2016 at 7:09:02 PM permalink
Quote: Joeshlabotnik

There doesn't appear to be any reason to set foot in the joint, except maybe novelty. You can get 8 bucks for joining the slot club. Then you can watch people ccarat, the Asian version of Casino War.

I'll bet the Asian food is actually not as good as that you can get elsewhere in town. After all, they have an essentially captive audience. Why would they provide quality?



Could you be more obnoxious? While you're masturbating about EV other people are having a good time. I've done graduate work in mathematics, and work as an engineer, yet I'm "stupid enough" to play slot machines. Because they're fun. As for bacc, it's a wonderful game with a rich culture around it that you're too closed minded to appreciate.
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November 29th, 2016 at 7:16:06 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

I'll play:

Fleas? Thanks for telling us what you think about players looking for an edge. Perhaps you are at the wrong site. Ever try Forex? Just asking.

Baccarat is Asian War? Can you even begin to discuss the difference in odds between the 2? Just asking.

Would love to have your reviews of the best Asian food joints in town. After all, there is not a casino in Vegas with any of the highest rated restaurants in the world.

Why would they provide quality? It's not like they have competition for gamblers. Build it, they will come, right?



If those fleas didn't appear instantly at every casino opening, maybe decent games would last longer than 24 hours.
I wasn't referring to the odds of the two games, I was referring to their simplistic nature. Like flipping a coin--no thinking at all.
The Asian places I was referring to are definitely NOT in the casinos. A drive along Spring Mountain road, to give one example, will take you past dozens of terrific Asian restaurants.
I agree, they have no incentive to provide quality--if they are thinking only in the short term. They can ride a wave of novelty for a while. But look at what's happened to the Downtown Grand, the SLS, the LINQ. They are struggling because they relied on their novelty to attract customers and didn't offer any real reason to go there other than that novelty. Casino operators don't seem to understand that casinos are more alike than different--they delude themselves that the Golden Commode is somehow special.
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November 29th, 2016 at 7:19:18 PM permalink
Quote: lll

Could you be more obnoxious? While you're masturbating about EV other people are having a good time. I've done graduate work in mathematics, and work as an engineer, yet I'm "stupid enough" to play slot machines. Because they're fun. As for bacc, it's a wonderful game with a rich culture around it that you're too closed minded to appreciate.



Do you masturbate while you play the slots or baccarat?
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November 29th, 2016 at 7:25:16 PM permalink
Quote: Joeshlabotnik

If those fleas didn't appear instantly at every casino opening, maybe decent games would last longer than 24 hours.
I wasn't referring to the odds of the two games, I was referring to their simplistic nature. Like flipping a coin--no thinking at all.
The Asian places I was referring to are definitely NOT in the casinos. A drive along Spring Mountain road, to give one example, will take you past dozens of terrific Asian restaurants.
I agree, they have no incentive to provide quality--if they are thinking only in the short term. They can ride a wave of novelty for a while. But look at what's happened to the Downtown Grand, the SLS, the LINQ. They are struggling because they relied on their novelty to attract customers and didn't offer any real reason to go there other than that novelty. Casino operators don't seem to understand that casinos are more alike than different--they delude themselves that the Golden Commode is somehow special.



Or alternatively, bacc offers a game of pure chance, which some people find preferable to one involving skill. Perhaps even entire gambling cultures find skill to be regrettable. Before the Thorpe-induced blackjack craze in the US, the dominant game, craps, was pure luck. The world doesn't revolve around EV, basic strategy, card counting, 100%+ VP, and advantage play. Every game has something to be said for it, whether it be pace of play, variance, max payouts, house edge, min bet, max bet, beeps and boops and lights, simple strategy, complicated strategy, location of play, prevailing player culture, or some other consideration.

They key to not being a grumpy gambler is versatility. At some price point I'll play any of: blackjack, freebet, baccarat, craps, roulette (yes, the dreaded 00), slots, VP, 3-card poker, and I'm only looking to learn more games. Instead of grousing about declining BJ rules on online forums, I have a fantastic time when I do go gambling.
Joeshlabotnik
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November 29th, 2016 at 8:26:04 PM permalink
Quote: lll

Or alternatively, bacc offers a game of pure chance, which some people find preferable to one involving skill. Perhaps even entire gambling cultures find skill to be regrettable. Before the Thorpe-induced blackjack craze in the US, the dominant game, craps, was pure luck. The world doesn't revolve around EV, basic strategy, card counting, 100%+ VP, and advantage play. Every game has something to be said for it, whether it be pace of play, variance, max payouts, house edge, min bet, max bet, beeps and boops and lights, simple strategy, complicated strategy, location of play, prevailing player culture, or some other consideration.

They key to not being a grumpy gambler is versatility. At some price point I'll play any of: blackjack, freebet, baccarat, craps, roulette (yes, the dreaded 00), slots, VP, 3-card poker, and I'm only looking to learn more games. Instead of grousing about declining BJ rules on online forums, I have a fantastic time when I do go gambling.



It's true that Asian gambling is drenched in superstition and that most Asians tend to think that skill is irrelevant to winning, and it's all about appeasing some god or making the right bet on the right day at the right time when all the omens are auspicious.

It's an oversimplification to say that craps is pure luck. You can choose what bets you make, and there's a huge difference among them in terms of house advantage. It's also an oversimplification to paint gambling as luck OR skill. Luck-based games can be played skillfully; skill-based games have an element of luck. You enjoy slots. Fair enough. I enjoy video poker, and it has the same random elements that slots do (and BTW, I don't obsess about EV and will play a negative expectation game if I think it's fun). I prefer to play games where what I do (other than simply making a bet) matters.

It might be because I have gambled enough that I'm not hypnotized by the "uncertain outcome" shtick--because I think in terms of EV. I put a dollar in a slot machine and press the button--I've just turned that dollar into 90 cents. And that's BEFORE the reels stop spinning and regardless of the actual result. Takes the thrill element away, but that's kind of the whole point. I prefer to use my brain and consider doing so recreational. For many folks, thinking is the OPPOSITE of recreation. That's why slots are so popular. You just passively stick the money in and push a button, and wait. I do think that if people understood the mathematics of gambling, casinos would have to shut down. After all, would anybody saunter up to a roulette wheel and put $100 on Red if they realized that all they were really doing is setting fire to a $5 bill?

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