RS
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May 13th, 2017 at 10:49:57 AM permalink
Quote: teliot

Let's be absolutely clear here. According to the website forum stats, this site has 13892 forum members. The purpose of the newsletter is not to offer a convenient new feature for existing members. It's sole purpose is to try and reclaim members who are no longer here so that the owners can get clicks on their casino ads and hopefully some signups. A database of close to 14k email addresses of people who are interested in gambling is a huge part of the value in purchasing this site.


You know this how, exactly? Generally when people say, "let's be absolutely clear", they're making a statement of fact, not opinion.

Quote: teliot

So, the owners spammed 13,892 people with their "newsletter" and now are being so kind as to offer the 100 or so people who will view this thread the opportunity to opt-out in person. Really?! Maybe there are 800 active members (being generous) who don't care about being spammed. That means 13,000 unsolicited emails sent to people who aren't active here. The very definition of spam.


There's also the opportunity to opt-out when you get the first e-mail or by sending Zuga a PM. I don't think it's unsolicited because it's the email people used when they signed up. It is to be expected to receive emails from a website of which you are a member. I don't throw hissy-fits when Total Rewards or any other casino or marketing system sends me emails, since, ya know, it's something I signed up for.

If there were no opt-out or unsubscribe feature, then your complaint would have some merit.

Quote: teliot

That's the bottom line integrity of the site owners in a nutshell.

That anyone here would defend such behavior is shameful.


You do realize this is all about a newsletter, right? Zuga did NOT start World War III.
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May 13th, 2017 at 10:51:32 AM permalink
Quote: teliot

Let's be absolutely clear here. According to the website forum stats, this site has 13892 forum members. The purpose of the newsletter is not to offer a convenient new feature for existing members. It's sole purpose is to try and reclaim members who are no longer here so that the owners can get clicks on their casino ads and hopefully some signups. A database of close to 14k email addresses of people who are interested in gambling is a huge part of the value in purchasing this site.



The purpose of a newsletter is to have a newsletter, there are many websites that have newsletters that are on an opt-out basis rather than an opt-in basis. The unsubscribe option on the actual E-Mail (if you saw it) is front and center and could not be more obvious. Usually, it's just buried at the bottom.

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So, the owners spammed 13,892 people with their "newsletter" and now are being so kind as to offer the 100 or so people who will view this thread the opportunity to opt-out in person. Really?! Maybe there are 800 active members (being generous) who don't care about being spammed. That means 13,000 unsolicited emails sent to people who aren't active here. The very definition of spam.



That's about the most absurd definition of, 'Spam,' I have ever heard of. To give you a telemarketing example, if you do business with a company (say you have a credit card), but you are on the national Do Not Call list, that company is permitted to call you as you have a prior business relationship. Most companies will give you the option to be placed on their internal DNC list, but technically, are not even required to do that.

Not to go ad hom with this thing, but didn't you once complain about me spamming you with a PM about the first WoV NFL Picks Game? If you'll recall, there was no entry fee of any kind for the first game, I straight up contributed a cash prize.

Either way, pursuant to FCC standards, as I understand them from having done telemarketing, signing up for the website constitutes a pre-existing relationship with the website and enables the website to send correspondence. You may argue that if this is done through a third-party service that such does not constitute correspondence from the website, but again, most outgoing call telemarketing calls that you receive (even with companies with whom you have a preexisting relationship) also come from a third-party,,,and let me assure you those third parties have a Hell of a lot more than your E-Mail address.
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May 13th, 2017 at 11:30:31 AM permalink
I got this message when I clicked on the unsubscribe button in the email:

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The campaign you unsubscribed from has already been deactivated for violating GetResponse Terms of Service. You won't receive any further messages from this campaign.

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May 13th, 2017 at 12:00:52 PM permalink
Please remove me from the newsletter mailing list.

Thank you.
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May 13th, 2017 at 12:02:10 PM permalink
Quote: prozema

My Gmail defaulted the messages as spam.


Yea me too. I'm not trying to rubble-rouse by bringing up the CAN spam act. I could really care less about who sends stuff to my email, the tools/filters are good enough to where I only see what I feel like seeing.

But it's in the best interest of whoever is sending them to follow best practices, cause gmail and other providers will dunk you in the spam folder pretty quickly otherwise.
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May 14th, 2017 at 11:57:30 AM permalink
Quote: teliot



The existence of this token thread says everything about the bottom line integrity of the site owners in a nutshell.



Nuclear option?
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May 14th, 2017 at 12:34:30 PM permalink
http://app.getresponse.com/error404.html

when I clicked on the link inside the newsletter to get to M146's article.
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May 14th, 2017 at 1:29:59 PM permalink
GMAIL put my newsletter in the SPAM folder too. But I found it.

I like the idea of pointing out the highlights, sortof "What you missed this week on WIZARDofVEGAS.com". IF that is of interest, members may come back and check out the site.

Possible examples:

- Top threads as nominated by ADMIN's.

- Show reviews on NEW shows in Vegas.

- Maybe an index to SHOW reviews.

- And of course new ARTICLES.

- Give away copies of the Wiz's book. Anyone who visits the site in the previous month gets 1 Entry. BUT you have to go to the WoV site to see if you won. Clever, eh ? ! ?

Seems to me that a strong, healthy WoV website is good for all of us who enjoy the website.
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May 14th, 2017 at 3:04:11 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

When any member, active or not, first signs up, they provide an email that is used to validate the account, and if you enable them, the ability to be notified about any PM's you are sent, or threads you've subscribed to. So there's an email on file for you.

When Josh and Zuga bought the site, they got all the data. What they do with them is up to them, and may well (and fairly, IMO) be different than what Mike did.



I've been struggling with what to say on this matter. The above sums up my position quite well.

Is it so much to ask that if you choose to join a free site that it comes with a newsletter that you can opt out of with one click? It isn't the way I ran the Wizard of Odds newsletter, but we all know about my track record converting Internet traffic into revenue. Josh and his team have invested a lot into improving this site and adding many new features. To the few loud complainers, just opt out of it and get on with your life.

Future newsletters should have some exclusive content so don't be too quick to delete it.
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JohnnyQ
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May 14th, 2017 at 3:16:47 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Is it so much to ask that if you choose to join a free site that it comes with a newsletter that you can opt out of with one click?

Hmmmm let me think about that for 0.001 seconds. OK, done. No, it's not.

Quote: Wizard

Future newsletters should have some exclusive content so don't be too quick to delete it.

Cool, lookin' forward to it.
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