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MrV
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May 12th, 2017 at 9:49:30 AM permalink
Just wondering: is the primary purpose of the newsletter to allow the owners of this site to monetize their investment?

Will the owners be getting any payment or consideration from any source as a result of the newsletter?

If not: why even bother?
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DJTeddyBear
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May 12th, 2017 at 10:14:04 AM permalink
Wow. Somebody pissed in Eliot's Cheerios...

I think there is a certain level of expectation that when a business gets sold, the mailing list is one of the assets included in the sale. As such, it should not come as a surprise to get email from the new owner - even if that new owner is a larger conglomerate talking about some of their other business interests.

When we sign up for a casino player's card, we expect to get marketing messages from that casino, and from associated businesses within that casino. Based upon Eliot's comments here, we should expect him to freak out if a casino sends marketing about their hotel, restaurants, spa, night clubs or stage shows. Those are often separate entities renting/leasing space for their own profit motives. For some reason I wold bet that he accepts those messages without complaint.

When a casino gets sold, do we expect the new owner to receive and utilize the existing customer database? Sure.

For the record, I own several domains, with unlimited number of email forwarders. I set up a new forwarder for every purpose, just so I can see when my address gets sold. As a result, I receive email from Golden Nugget addressed to my Trump email address, and from the D addressed to my Fitzgeralds address, just to name a couple.

I would doubt that Eliot has complained about, or even noticed, those types of email list exchanges. I'm also pretty sure Eliot hasn't bothered to complain to the owners of the web server that hosts the Nigerian Princess.

Eliot is complaining here because Zuga has provided very easy access to do so.

Also, I don't think Zuga was being dismissive with his "Meh" response. I really think that was a nice way of calling Eliot a nut-job.

Bottom line, I guess Zuga should have simply sent out the newsletters without letting us know. No good deed goes unpunished...
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teliot
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May 12th, 2017 at 10:19:09 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

I think there is a certain level of expectation that when a business gets sold, the mailing list is one of the assets included in the sale. As such, it should not come as a surprise to get email from the new owner - even if that new owner is a larger conglomerate talking about some of their other business interests.

I did not join this website (Michael's personal invitation) back in 2009 with the expectation that 6 years later it would get sold to a spammer who doesn't care about protecting my personal information.

As for Nigerian princes, you have no idea what I do to protect myself from spam and your fantasy world does not interest me.
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May 12th, 2017 at 11:14:01 AM permalink
Quote: MrV

Just wondering: is the primary purpose of the newsletter to allow the owners of this site to monetize their investment?

Will the owners be getting any payment or consideration from any source as a result of the newsletter?

If not: why even bother?



Since we are not pushing any casino links then the answer is no. But we do want that return visitor back on the site. Yes we have a lot of regulars, but there is even more of those that are not. And then there are new members.

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requested from the techs to locate your email. as far as the ban, ill let ya sleep on it for the weekend, and if you still feel the same on Monday please PM me and it will be done.
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DeMango
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May 12th, 2017 at 12:00:50 PM permalink
Clicking on some of these links in BOTH newsletters and getting #404 error?
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May 12th, 2017 at 1:33:08 PM permalink
Quote: teliot

I did not join this website (Michael's personal invitation) back in 2009 with the expectation that 6 years later it would get sold to a spammer who doesn't care about protecting my personal information.

As for Nigerian princes, you have no idea what I do to protect myself from spam and your fantasy world does not interest me.


What "personal information"? Are you saying you really signed up for a forum using your own personal email address and not a throw-away email like everyone else?

As smart as you are, I'm sure you know databases frequently get hacked....if you're so vigilant about protecting yourself from spammers & Nigerian scammers, why would you sign up for a forum using your personal/private email knowing it could get hacked?

In fact, it doesn't sound like you're all that into protecting yourself from spam or scammers, by looking at your lack of effort. It also seems you're more interested in "being right" (lol), than stopping spam or scammers from sending you emails, since you wouldn't opt-out or PM Zuga. :rolls_eyes:
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May 12th, 2017 at 1:47:38 PM permalink
Are you suggesting APs don't use email addresses that casinos can use to hunt them down? That Mrs Wolf didn't name her son Axel?
Mind bottling.
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May 12th, 2017 at 4:29:04 PM permalink
Sorry, Zuga, but I agree with Eliot, in that it should have been opt-in. I'm sure that seems ungrateful, since you provide the resource for free, but you also violated a long-standing agreement, perhaps only implied (but real nonetheless), that goes back well beyond my time here. There was to be no push to the emails without consent. It was discussed here and there, the year prior to your purchase. And was a deal-breaker for several regulars, as you've seen.
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QFIT
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May 12th, 2017 at 5:24:57 PM permalink
I should avoid threads like this. But, Eliot has a point, albeit perhaps ineloquently framed. I estimate that I receive 25,000 SPAMs a year. I cannot use SPAM filters as there exist all too many false positives. Which is to say, I would miss real client e-mails. I also can’t change my e-mail addresses, as I receive all e-mails directed to my many domains. Besides, I want to receive e-mails about PMs or threads to which I have subscribed, which requires that one not use a throwaway e-mail. So, I have to slog through about 65-70 SPAMs a day. And, I am notified within one minute every time I receive an e-mail -- which interrupts my train of thought while I'm working on complex problems. Sometimes I get sloppy and delete a valid question about AP. Can you imagine the overall economic cost of all the people that have to deal with this, in addition to the billions spent by ISPs and companies like MS?

I do send an e-mail to my very small list about once a year when I have some sort of announcement. But, I have never broadcasted to all the signup e-mails at the site I operate. Instead, I require people to find the signup page, and double opt-in. That is, they must request to be added to the list, I send an e-mail saying “is this really you”, and only add them to the list if there is a positive response – a double opt-in. (About 60% are rejected.) This is necessary as there exist jerks that add people to e-mail lists to piss them off. As an aside, I once asked a gay site why they were e-mailing me. They explained it was common practice for jerks to add e-mail addresses to gay sites as pranks. Unfortunate

The point is, you really should use a double opt-in process. And, nearly all respectable mass e-mail services require this in their Terms of Service. (For good reason, as they could get banned from major ISPs.) Asking people to click a button in a SPAM e-mail to opt-out is not really useful, as the general advice is to never click such links. The reason is two-fold. 1.) It verifies that it is an active e-mail address, and they might add you to more lists. 2.) The link may be to a malevolent site that will install a Trojan or virus. Do not click on such links.

Having said that, I am not ascribing any malevolence whatsoever to this site. I am merely saying that Elliot has a point that you might consider.
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QFIT
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May 12th, 2017 at 6:01:10 PM permalink
BTW: The first SPAM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJ0OaiQk4AM
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