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February 3rd, 2017 at 2:16:44 AM permalink
Anyone know if this guy is legit or just playing games?
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February 3rd, 2017 at 3:17:37 AM permalink
Never heard of him, but I'm not a sports gambler. Mr. Google has heard of him.

https://lasvegassun.com/vegasdeluxe/2015/nov/02/vegas-dave-wins-25-million-from-100000-bet-royals-/

He sortof sounds like the guy who hit a lucky bet and now wants his 15 minutes of fame:

"Dave took a $10,000 student loan while attending UNLV. He placed the entire $10,000 on red on roulette and doubled his money. He then had the $20,000 bank roll to start his sports betting career."

“I was at rock bottom a few years ago. My parents weren’t proud of me. I wasn’t proud of me, either. I’d lost their savings..."
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February 3rd, 2017 at 3:17:37 AM permalink
oops double post
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February 3rd, 2017 at 3:52:48 AM permalink
What an IDIOT! Bet his entire student loan money on Roulette ! He is lucky he won!
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February 3rd, 2017 at 6:55:32 AM permalink
He bets big. His subscription packages are super high. Alledgedly he martingales or something to that effect and had a 40 unit loss in 1 day or some disaster during MLB season. He's hit some monsters though, KC Royals future bet, Holly Holm 11/1 beating Rousey. Bet Meisha once, won, bet next time lost. He promotes and plugs his service pretty hard though. So i always assume you are a lil fraudulent when u so that. Dont have a spreadsheet of his picks/wins,losses//ROI. Im sure that would be fun to look at. GL putting money behind a taut. Im still not thrilled about that idea
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February 3rd, 2017 at 7:32:57 AM permalink
Quote: Wizardofnothing

Anyone know if this guy is legit or just playing games?



Not legit. He has be known to make lots of big bets and just publicize the ones that he wins (aka Floyd Mayweather). How often do we see Floyd post pictures of his big losing tickets?
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February 3rd, 2017 at 11:46:07 AM permalink
I think the record goes to that BurntBurro guy who would play poker at local casinos all day long and then tweet that he had been to several other casinos and won money at roulette, craps and blackjack. He sold Table Games Lessons, special tutoring, etc.

When he kicked the bucket awhile ago, someone else apparently took over and contued the situation.
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February 3rd, 2017 at 1:46:28 PM permalink
He is 100% fraud, with no clue. Some touts do kinda know a thing or two but he isn't one.

As noted, on his big "wins" he usually bets both sides to generate the big winning ticket.

The picks, or system he sells are just a martingale and he completely burried his clients when it blew up.

Also, I think he's a trust fund kid or something like that, which is where he gets the stake money. But not sure on that one.
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February 3rd, 2017 at 1:54:26 PM permalink
I called him a clown on Ken Smith's old forum and several pros, including Ken , vouched for him. They said not to confuse his tv persona with his real life ability.
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February 3rd, 2017 at 2:00:14 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

I called him a clown on Ken Smith's old forum and several pros, including Ken , vouched for him. They said not to confuse his tv persona with his real life ability.



Then they were either getting a share of his action selling picks, or are totally clueless about sports betting.
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February 3rd, 2017 at 3:55:53 PM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

on his big "wins" he usually bets both sides to generate the big winning ticket.

Yeah, that is like these horse race guys, they reach into their pocket and produce a winning two dollar ticket... but its often a different pocket each time. You are supposed to notice their winning ticket, but not notice that they obviously have a two dollar ticket in every pocket and are just trying to set you up as a mark.

Take two sides .... major action.... publicize the winning ticket, keep silent about the hedge....then sell your "skills".
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February 3rd, 2017 at 7:11:56 PM permalink
What ever happened to Steve Stevens? Now that guy was a trip! Entertaining show though.
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February 3rd, 2017 at 7:31:16 PM permalink
If he buys both sides of a $55k bet, he loses $5k but probably makes that back in people buying his picks and I'm sure people like Vegas Dave probably enjoys the limelight and celebrity from the facade of a "pro gambler". If this is true he's a marketing genius, but a winning sports bettor, maybe not.

Never understood wanting to be famous as a pro gambler..... the more people know about you, and you're legit the less money you'll make.
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February 3rd, 2017 at 7:33:23 PM permalink
Quote: WatchMeWin

What ever happened to Steve Stevens? Now that guy was a trip! Entertaining show though.



If you were in on the joke that was the best show on TV
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February 3rd, 2017 at 7:47:01 PM permalink
I just read in what looks to be a self written pr article on his website... he says he has 7000 customers.. Cmon man! This guy is really over the top with everything. If he were making so much with his own betting, he wouldnt need to con people into buying his services.

Although, if you did have 7000 customers, you make up a second handicapper name, like Johnny DeMarco! You give 50% of your clients Johnny DeMarco for one side of the picks, and the other 50% Vegas Dave's other side picks. After the game you will have 3500 winners happy as shit. Now repeat with the next game... this will bring you to 1750 winners at 2-0....and so on and so on until you get around a dozen people that are 10-0 who think you are the shit and will pay you big bucks for your big big play... fly them to vegas and have them bet their house on a game and you take 50% of the winnings ..lol Isnt that the deal Steve Stevens made with his players?

All a scam. The one guy I enjoy listening to and think he is legit is Brandon Lang... 'two for the money' movie guy. He is trying to win for people and knows sports. Look you are not going to win every bet. Even the bets that perhaps should win, dont.. and vice versa.
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February 3rd, 2017 at 8:58:04 PM permalink
We were talking about his blackjack skills. I have no idea if he was touting anything but himself at the time. It was when they had a gambling show on prime time.
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February 4th, 2017 at 8:33:46 AM permalink
How do we know he is betting both sides of each game and showing only the winning tickets? I've run into him twice, first time he was betting $10,000 on the Royals at 20-1 the year they won the World Series. The other time was last years playoffs he was betting big on the Broncos. Only other thing I've heard about him was Misha Tate saying he picked up a $2000 tab of hers after he bet big on her as a big underdog. Based on those vignettes, my skepticism does not automatically turn into dismissiveness.
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February 4th, 2017 at 10:49:12 AM permalink
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Never understood wanting to be famous as a pro gambler..... the more people know about you, and you're legit the less money you'll make.

Yeah, a pro gambler walks into a sports book and the lines change. He will need beards to get his bets down if he gets to be 'known', but sucker lists are just marketing tools.
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February 4th, 2017 at 1:15:10 PM permalink
Has anyone here used a sports handicapping service ? If so, how did it work out?
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February 5th, 2017 at 7:31:20 PM permalink
Ha .... total clown- pulled his Instagram account down -


Went silent in the fourth quarter on social media

There went his life
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February 5th, 2017 at 10:25:15 PM permalink
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Ha .... total clown- pulled his Instagram account down -


Went silent in the fourth quarter on social media

There went his life



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February 9th, 2017 at 7:48:14 AM permalink
haha... that vegasdave clown was all over his media accounts bragging about how the dirty birds were going to spank NE. He was going to win soooo much money on the dirty birds. He took the risk of trying to be the hero , but now he's a zero.
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February 9th, 2017 at 12:46:10 PM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux





I don't see a problem. $1 bills are currency too, aren't they? How else would they pay him, other than US currency?


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February 9th, 2017 at 3:09:49 PM permalink
OMG, the casino cheated Vegas Dave ! ! ! His only fault is that he is TOO trusting.
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February 9th, 2017 at 5:45:54 PM permalink
Quote: RS

Quote: Rigondeaux





I don't see a problem. $1 bills are currency too, aren't they? How else would they pay him, other than US currency?


COINCIDENCE? YOU DECIDE!!

You know what I mean?



I didn't even notice what was wrong in the picture until you reposted it. I was too busy looking at the $100 bill at first. LOL at the $1 underneath the $100. :D
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February 19th, 2017 at 2:08:58 PM permalink
Im really thinking of getting into the sports handicapping business. So many people betting out there without a clue. Apparently people are paying for this nonsense because they cant pick games themselves or feel that these guys have the inside. Even Brent Musburger is getting in on the gig!

How many people have paid for sports picks here?
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February 19th, 2017 at 2:41:12 PM permalink
I have a friend who has a handicapping service - the stories I have seen and heard first hand while visiting him in his office are absolutely mind blowing
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February 19th, 2017 at 2:44:35 PM permalink
Quote: Wizardofnothing

I have a friend who has a handicapping service - the stories I have seen and heard first hand while visiting him in his office are absolutely mind blowing



Im intrigued... How long has he been doing it and how many subscribers does he have? Im assuming he may go by different names and multiple aliases?
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February 19th, 2017 at 2:53:44 PM permalink
9 years no alias. Other then the one he always uses.
Has a domains thought to generate leads. He works hard but he knows nothing more then anyone else
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February 19th, 2017 at 3:12:13 PM permalink
Does he make good money doing it? How many subscribers? The key is the marketing of yourself / your product. At the end of the day, NO ONE has insider information (that they would actually tell the public anyway) and sports wagering is more of a money management game than anything else.

As Ive said before, you can be on the right play but still lose the bet due to multiple factors... I still look at my pool win in the superbowl as a supernatural fluke. I played NE and the over for reasons that didnt make the most sense, mainly to hedge my position as leader in the pool, but also because all the Favorites and Overs kept coming in as a crazy trend, and the destiny factor of Tom Brady getting revenge on Goodell.... All came into play. I still think the right play was Atlanta and Under after watching the game, but the right bet didnt win. But a win is a win.... and winning is what its all about.

Handicappers ... good ones... can help those who dont really follow sports but want to bet, or they just feel like they cant win themselves so they need help. A good sports handicapper should live and breathe the sports he is handicapping and be knowledgeable in order to put his clients in the best possible scenario for winning. But it is not guaranteed.

Now the stock market is different... High probability of success when you know your companies and their business sector.
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February 20th, 2017 at 9:51:06 AM permalink
Quote: WatchMeWin

sports wagering is more of a money management game than anything else.

How so? Other than the obvious.....DONT BET OVER YOUR HEAD AND GO BROKE. I would assume that goes for anything and everything related to gambling and even in most aspects of life.

I highly suggest people read Rigondeaux's posts talking about tout's.


https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/sports/28176-are-pick-sellers-and-touts-legit/
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February 20th, 2017 at 11:00:57 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

How so? Other than the obvious.....DONT BET OVER YOUR HEAD AND GO BROKE. I would assume that goes for anything and everything related to gambling and even in most aspects of life.

I highly suggest people read Rigondeaux's posts talking about tout's.


https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/sports/28176-are-pick-sellers-and-touts-legit/



I would argue that money management is a very important part of all betting, including sports wagering. eg.. lets say you go 5-5 in your picks. If you just put the same amount on every bet, you come out down via the vig. You need to go at least 75% on your games when betting consistently equal denominations in order to have a somewhat meaningful account profit.

Lets say 2 guys both go 7-3 in their picks. One guy puts 100 equally on each game.. he is up 370 with vig accessed. The second guy put in 3 3 team parlays and 2 straight games. He hits 2 out of 3 games in each of his 3 parlays for 100 wagered on each.. he loses all 3. He put 300 on 2 games straight and splits.. he loses on vig. So, the same games played but managed differently by the two guys have drastically different results. There are many scenarios that we can discuss. He could also have won, but in the long run that is unlikely. Now, if you can't pick any winners at all.... then you cant win regardless of how you play.
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February 20th, 2017 at 11:05:54 AM permalink
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have won, but in the long run that is unlikely. Now, if you can't pick any winners at all.... then you cant win regardless of how you play.



WatchMeWin, I agree with you, but there is no need when you put your money with Steve Stevens and the "Dice Doc" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW7q6GSMI0s

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February 20th, 2017 at 11:34:27 AM permalink
Quote: WatchMeWin

I would argue that money management is a very important part of all betting, including sports wagering. eg.. lets say you go 5-5 in your picks. If you just put the same amount on every bet, you come out down via the vig. You need to go at least 75% on your games when betting consistently equal denominations in order to have a somewhat meaningful account profit.

Lets say 2 guys both go 7-3 in their picks. One guy puts 100 equally on each game.. he is up 370 with vig accessed. The second guy put in 3 3 team parlays and 2 straight games. He hits 2 out of 3 games in each of his 3 parlays for 100 wagered on each.. he loses all 3. He put 300 on 2 games straight and splits.. he loses on vig. So, the same games played but managed differently by the two guys have drastically different results. There are many scenarios that we can discuss. He could also have won, but in the long run that is unlikely. Now, if you can't pick any winners at all.... then you cant win regardless of how you play.



If we were to take the exact opposite of everything you wrote here, there might be some good information.
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February 20th, 2017 at 11:36:59 AM permalink
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If we were to take the exact opposite of everything you wrote here, there might be some good information.



You just answered your own question... now you have good information! Good luck and just win man!
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February 20th, 2017 at 11:43:12 AM permalink
Tom g might have just made the post of the year
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February 20th, 2017 at 1:33:29 PM permalink
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Tom g might have just made the post of the year



Hey Wizardofnothing, for someone who just made 50% profit in one month from my stock pick, i would hope that you trust my judgement and bash on your moneymaker. btw, did you really buy it and are you really putting 20% of profits for the forum group in football season. Thats a nice nut the forum will appreciate if you are not bs ing.
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February 20th, 2017 at 1:43:15 PM permalink
I posted a screen shot of the trade- I have no sold it as of yet
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February 20th, 2017 at 1:47:06 PM permalink
For those that missed it

https://imgur.com/gallery/2SBgJ
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February 20th, 2017 at 3:56:08 PM permalink
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I posted a screen shot of the trade- I have no sold it as of yet



Good to know you are a man of your word. I posted last week that it would not be a bad idea to take some profit off the table or buy put options against your long position. Although I still have great faith in the company and believe a buyout is eminent, the move has been amazing and there will be profit taking at some point.

I have another company I am eying up and doing an analysis on soon. It will be another great trade/investment.

Just as in investments, trading, gambling... winning is a mindset. Positive energy is a real factor.
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February 20th, 2017 at 4:16:00 PM permalink
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Positive energy is a real factor.

I would argue that as well.

Positive and negative energy have nothing to do with anything when dealing with random events other than your own mental state of mind.

If having a positive attitude that helps you do a better job at a game or something of skill and that makes you play or better, well, that's a diffrent story.

I dont know how many times I have went in to a VP, BJ or slot gig with no sleep, in a bad mood and thinking this is going to be a disaster, and then the opposite happened.

I have went into an AP gig with a very nice advantage. I'm all excited, eager to play and have a great attitude. I'm thinking I'm going to crush this if I get x amount of time in. You guessed it the opposite happens.

Sometimes it works out just how I thought it would at the time as well.
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February 20th, 2017 at 5:27:59 PM permalink
I actually bought options in this- it was my best trade ever

https://imgur.com/gallery/2RkYT
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February 20th, 2017 at 6:50:58 PM permalink
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I actually bought options in this- it was my best trade ever

https://imgur.com/gallery/2RkYT



Congrats on that trade man.... well done! Looks like you made about 7x within 2 weeks time with your options. You're pretty aggressive as I like to play options as well. Great time to take that profit. They had good phase two results with Depression drug, but still a long way from approval and much can happen. Good luck!
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February 20th, 2017 at 7:53:55 PM permalink
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I would argue that as well.

Positive and negative energy have nothing to do with anything when dealing with random events other than your own mental state of mind.

If having a positive attitude that helps you do a better job at a game or something of skill and that makes you play or better, well, that's a diffrent story.

I dont know how many times I have went in to a VP, BJ or slot gig with no sleep, in a bad mood and thinking this is going to be a disaster, and then the opposite happened.

I have went into an AP gig with a very nice advantage. I'm all excited, eager to play and have a great attitude. I'm thinking I'm going to crush this if I get x amount of time in. You guessed it the opposite happens.

Sometimes it works out just how I thought it would at the time as well.



Having a positive attitude is the basis for positive events to occur within the realm of cause and effect and laws of attraction. Some people have very strong energy, whether negative or positive, but we are all made of energy. Good things happen to good people. Now , that being said, I agree that random events like within gambling are out of our control.. but understanding past events helps predict future events. Knowledge in anything... stocks, sports, gambling is paramount.
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February 20th, 2017 at 8:12:23 PM permalink
Quote: WatchMeWin

Having a positive attitude is the basis for positive events to occur within the realm of cause and effect and laws of attraction. Some people have very strong energy, whether negative or positive, but we are all made of energy. Good things happen to good people. Now , that being said, I agree that random events like within gambling are out of our control.. but understanding past events helps predict future events. Knowledge in anything... stocks, sports, gambling is paramount.
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And it all starts with a positive attitude. There is a reason that some people are absolute Mush in the casino...

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February 20th, 2017 at 8:13:23 PM permalink
I gotta back axel on that statement
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WatchMeWin
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February 20th, 2017 at 8:20:25 PM permalink
Generally speaking.... big picture.
'Winners hit n run... Losers stick around'
Cappo1
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February 27th, 2017 at 9:36:00 PM permalink
F***.... I can vouch for that Axel.. my fiancés mother was in a bad pileup this morning. Woman only cared about her kids, grandkids, reading her bible and cooking for everyone. Broken neck, ribs, arm, vertebrae.. she's having surgery tomorrow a.m... I put her on a plane this evening so she could be there. The nicest of people can have horrific things happen to them. Take my boss for instance, guy rips off more people than your average casino, guy has more money than god.. more toys, more vacations. If one says good brings good and bad brings bad, I gotta disagree. $hit happens, I think we just feel worse when it happens to the good guys.
Rigondeaux
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February 28th, 2017 at 11:19:48 AM permalink
I think that rule of attraction stuff is basically just a comic book version of some legitimate points. Having a positive outlook will increase your chances of good stuff in many ways. You'll be more likely to recognize opportunities. You won't sabotage yourself. People will be more likely to want to work with you.

It will also make you appreciative of what comes your way. In a round about way, it encourages you to focus on that which you can control and to let the chips fall where they may when you have no control.

obviously, psychopaths and malignant narcissists often achieve great success, since being above other people is the most important thing to them, and they are unhindered by morality. Like the guy in Citizen Kane said, making money is easy, if it's the only thing you care about.

obviously, great people get cancer.
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