BedWetterBetter
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April 27th, 2015 at 4:22:05 PM permalink
So Sands now has Csms at the blackjack tables. Won't be long before all bj tables have them.

Mount airy, here I come!
SlackJawYokel
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April 27th, 2015 at 4:44:29 PM permalink
Wow, about how many tables are using the csm? I agree with you, it will not be long before all tables are using them.

Thanks
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BedWetterBetter
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April 27th, 2015 at 4:50:47 PM permalink
Roughly 6 in the non smoking section.

I didn't like when put in the side bets, but those traps can be avoided.

I presume by memorial day it will be mandated on all tables throughout the casino.
bobsims
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April 28th, 2015 at 8:12:41 AM permalink
Quote: BedWetterBetter

Roughly 6 in the non smoking section.

I didn't like when put in the side bets, but those traps can be avoided.

I presume by memorial day it will be mandated on all tables throughout the casino.



Let's hope so. To hell with the counters and all their hype. Just deal out a great (.20%) BS game and put the stake in the heart of the counters real or imagined.
Romes
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April 28th, 2015 at 8:26:15 AM permalink
Quote: bobsims

Let's hope so. To hell with the counters and all their hype. Just deal out a great (.20%) BS game and put the stake in the heart of the counters real or imagined.


Playing it correctly means you've already won.
thegov2k2
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April 28th, 2015 at 9:01:15 AM permalink
I was at Sands a week and a half ago, and the only shuffle machines I saw were the ones that shuffle an entire shoe at once. This is not a CSM, in the traditional "evil" sense.
BedWetterBetter
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April 28th, 2015 at 3:59:21 PM permalink
These were brand new, either installed on sat or Sunday morning. Dealing one card at a time, and the dealer putting the cards back into the machine after a few hands.

I'm a regular at Sands, but if this a taste of things to come, I'll be heading back to mt. Airy!
NokTang
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April 29th, 2015 at 12:16:08 AM permalink
Quote: thegov2k2

I was at Sands a week and a half ago, and the only shuffle machines I saw were the ones that shuffle an entire shoe at once. This is not a CSM, in the traditional "evil" sense.



Logically, I think you are wrong. The fact that a machine shuffles the cards vs. a human takes away the element of human influence on the shuffle. You would be amazed at the tricks people can do with their hands, even under the close watchful eye of "surveillance".
thegov2k2
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April 30th, 2015 at 6:36:34 AM permalink
Quote: NokTang

Logically, I think you are wrong. The fact that a machine shuffles the cards vs. a human takes away the element of human influence on the shuffle. You would be amazed at the tricks people can do with their hands, even under the close watchful eye of "surveillance".



I'm pretty sure the point of the post was to mention that the games are no longer able to be counted. I don't think the point of the post was the supposed "human influence".
NokTang
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April 30th, 2015 at 7:33:52 PM permalink
Quote: thegov2k2

I'm pretty sure the point of the post was to mention that the games are no longer able to be counted. I don't think the point of the post was the supposed "human influence".



While you may be correct in logical progression, there remains the argument that there is no difference between machine shuffled shoes vs. continuous shuffle machines. Card counters are easily spotted by experienced pit crews and for the most part, obviously, they don't care if you count unless you win. I doubt the Sands in PA has many winners via counting. Look at the "riots" in Baltimore to get your typical customer profile. The conclusion is once again speed wins the casino money.
thegov2k2
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May 1st, 2015 at 8:05:50 AM permalink
Your borderline racist implication aside, I did not find the clientele to be quite as you described.

I do not disagree that speed wins the casino money. If I operated a casino, I would have machines shuffle the cards. I'm pretty sure you would too.
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May 1st, 2015 at 1:35:48 PM permalink
Yup, machine rules. No allegations of impropriety, and the House retains the advantage against CC's.
Some people need to reimagine their thinking.
charliepatrick
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May 1st, 2015 at 3:00:35 PM permalink
CSMs have been in the UK for quite a while - the main problem is their cost to rent. The newer player seems to have accepted them (however I can understand how it might take a while to be accepted in other countries).

It speeds up the game, the countability risk is essentially removed and the inspectors can concentrate on other games. Interestingly some higher stakes games still use shoes, but then they have an inspector watching the game.
aramaram
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June 15th, 2015 at 12:40:56 AM permalink
I agree with the third comment about that......
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