kingcreights
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March 18th, 2017 at 5:55:50 AM permalink
Does anybody have any knowledge or experience regarding using a new deck of cards for a new casino game. A game I'm working on would work perfectly if I could make "additions" to a standard deck of cards.
Is this something that casino's have no interest in?
If I were to add extra cards to a traditional deck would this allow me to copyright it?
Does anybody know of past or existing examples of games which use a new deck of cards.
Any help would be appreciated.
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March 18th, 2017 at 6:33:00 AM permalink
Spanish 21 uses a regular deck with the 10s removed, obviously easier for the casino to do than add cards.
If you included your own supply of wrapped and sealed decks with a game a casino probably would not object.
I do not recall anyone having done this.
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March 18th, 2017 at 9:50:30 AM permalink
Lucky 13s BJ added 11, 12 and 13 value cards making a total of 16 cards per suit.
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March 18th, 2017 at 10:18:13 AM permalink
Card craps and card based roulette games typically have custom cards. Many of the CA card rooms have a form of blackjack called "Pure 21.5" which uses a standard deck of cards, but some of the cards have the word "Bonus" written on them.

In all of those cases, these are cards that are needed to bypass regulatory issues. I doubt the casino likes having to use them.
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March 18th, 2017 at 11:40:21 AM permalink
Creating a successful casino game with a custom deck of cards that adds cards to the normal 52 (unless you are talking about a single joker) is dead on arrival.

You have a slim to none chance of being successful going the Spanish 21 route and taking out some cards (at least there the casino doesn't have to order custom decks), but you'll have shuffler recognition issues and all kinds of other problems if the game is a single deck or poker type game.

"Just Say No" to using decks that contain anything but the 52 standard cards!
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March 18th, 2017 at 2:12:34 PM permalink
If you are thinking of marketing a casino game with anything other than a regular 52-card deck, maybe adding a joker or two, is highly ill-advised. Please see #4 in my Ten Commandments for Game Inventors.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
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March 18th, 2017 at 4:37:21 PM permalink
^ There was a game I saw which was poker based and used a 54 card deck with two Jokers added (Aces or filled straights or flushes type). You got 5 cards and were allowed to drawn twice to improve your hand - payout against a paytable. People seemed to like it and I think it survived beyond the trial. https://wizardofodds.com/games/double-draw-poker/

I've seen two Blackjack variants using a modified deck - the Lucky 13 Blackjack (already described) and another one trying to use negative numbers. There was also an interesting game using domino like cards - they were purpose made with different values on each end of the card (e.g. As - 2d).

There was also a single deck Blackjack game in California using four extra Aces where AA was the "Blackjack" and AX only 21, and I think another using two Jokers where they made your hand 21 and Joker-Joker was the best hand.

Super Pan 9 - a Baccarat variant - used decks without the 9 8 7's ( https://wizardofodds.com/games/super-pan-9/ ). It survived in the UK for a few years.


added references ^^^ I also suspect they provided the cards to the casino, although I only saw the first being trialled.
- https://wizardofodds.com/games/lucky-13s-blackjack/ btw I think they provided the cards to the casino
- http://www.fullcolorgames.com/ "21 or Nothing" (I found this via google showing the pack of cards used.)
kingcreights
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March 18th, 2017 at 4:40:20 PM permalink
Thanks Paradigm.

When I posted the question I think I sort of knew the answer. Just being optimistic I think as I've got the basis of a game that works well with a new deck.

In regards to shuffle machines, If a casino were to use a new deck with extra cards, would that affect the continuous shuffle machines using multiple decks. These machines don't recognize cards do they?

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March 18th, 2017 at 5:14:56 PM permalink
"Just Say NO"....sorry, but nothing else matters.
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March 21st, 2017 at 9:54:30 PM permalink
You're competing against other 5000++ games that use a standard deck of 52 cards. Why should a casino consider yours? Because you want casino personnel to worried about your special cards? Sorry, they are busy. DOA.

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